Mouse advice - Logitech G400s
Kamamura
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Hello, I apologize on intruding here, since I am not a competitive player, but I thought some of you might provide an expert advice on gaming mice.
I am a long time happy user of MX518, but since started playing NS2 a lot, I noticed that the mouse moves wierdly sometimes, like someone is "correcting" my aim. Googling a bit, I have learned it's that dreadful angle snapping feature, and since in case of mx518 it's in the firmware of the mouse, it cannot be switched off.
In an attempt to upgrade, I bought the G400s as an obvious upgrade (same shape which I like a lot), and I have mixed feelings about it after unboxing. Great aim, it seems tighter than mx518 after setting polling to 1000Hz (though it might be placebo), weight is okay, but the problem is the middle button, it's a bit too resistant, tough to press, and the wheel has a kind of cheap feel to it, the click of the wheel being somewhat mushy and not discrete.
On the other hand, I have read that the mouse have an advantage of being optical, that laser mouses have lower sensitivity, G500 has input lag and so on... so, what is your advice?
Should I keep it (I can still return it free of charge), or is there a better option in the same price range?
Thank you for any advice on the matter.
I am a long time happy user of MX518, but since started playing NS2 a lot, I noticed that the mouse moves wierdly sometimes, like someone is "correcting" my aim. Googling a bit, I have learned it's that dreadful angle snapping feature, and since in case of mx518 it's in the firmware of the mouse, it cannot be switched off.
In an attempt to upgrade, I bought the G400s as an obvious upgrade (same shape which I like a lot), and I have mixed feelings about it after unboxing. Great aim, it seems tighter than mx518 after setting polling to 1000Hz (though it might be placebo), weight is okay, but the problem is the middle button, it's a bit too resistant, tough to press, and the wheel has a kind of cheap feel to it, the click of the wheel being somewhat mushy and not discrete.
On the other hand, I have read that the mouse have an advantage of being optical, that laser mouses have lower sensitivity, G500 has input lag and so on... so, what is your advice?
Should I keep it (I can still return it free of charge), or is there a better option in the same price range?
Thank you for any advice on the matter.
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laser mice just have tracking issues
g500 has some heavy positive acceleration
If your mousepad is ONE color (like all black) try out the zowie EC1 evo (big hands) or the zowie ec2 evo (small hands) afaik this mouse also has 1-2% positive acceleration, but some people say against it I had a colored mousepad which is apparently what gave it issues (which I don't believe) but you can feel free to test that. Pos accel shouldn't hurt at all in a game like ns2, it'd hurt you more in a game like counter-strike where you need to snap and 1 click a head
Or if you don't care about comfort (or use claw grip) you can pick up the deathadder 3.5g (or the 2013 edition which afaik interpolates a lot of dpi settings, but like defaults such as 400 aren't?) - not sure if that's correct, then this mouse has the *best* sensor on the market as of right now.. pretty silly that there's so many mice companies and none of them can make a better shape with the DA sensor
Unfortunately, g400 is no longer available here, olny g400s. Heard a lot of bad things about Razer hardware in general - overpriced trendy crap, etc.
You prolly won't find anything better in term of tracking and fyi the zowie am fk ec1evo ec2evo, logitech g400 g400s, razer DA, roccat savu koneoptical, steelseries kanav2 all use the good avago 3090 optical sensor or derivatives from it.
The natural dpi steps (not interpolated) of the g400 are 800 and 1600 afaik.
Thank you kindly. I have already played a few rounds with it, and the middle mouse button and wheel do not seem such a great issue. The tracking is superb, and the feeling that someone is softly pushing my shotgun when tracking a fast moving skulk is gone - I guess the angle snapping was really the issue. So I will probably keep the mouse.
Even for MX 518? Did not find that option anywhere.
You can still be good with prediction though, anyway welcome to the g400 lover's club :>
Well, I "love" everything except the wheel. That feels pretty terrible, mx518 was way better. The 1000Hz polling is a recognizable improvement, though.
Ive read acouple of mouse threads on this site recently and it seems like everything BUT the G500 is being mentioned.
No personal experience, but from what I read, laser sensor, acceleration and a ceramic capacitor that emits a high-pitched noise.
Lasers tend to be very surface picky because of their precision, for exemple dirty cloth mousepads making them skip etc...
"Optical" is the way to go it seems, the most important feature of a mouse anyway is it's shape, if you go hardcore mode and play 4, 5 hours of fps in a go you need a mouse that suits your grip.
Don't buy anything that costs more than 60$ish.
(edit : the logitech driver is a bit crappy though, but it does the job.)
If you're looking to play any fps game seriously, I'd avoid the g500; however if you are accustomed to mouse accel (you're probably an ancient quake player then) then that's your choice, but I also think the shape of the mouse is not that great
I was referring to setpoint, never used an mx518 so it may just be inside of the sensor
you prefer the shape
I'm left handed, I was using a left handed deathadder before. It fit in my hand perfectly but I just much preferred using a g500 for FPS even if it didn't feel right ergonomically, since I change mouse sensitivity quite a lot during games and having 3 separate DPI levels that I could switch between on the fly was something I needed.
I love my razor imperator and i recommend it to everyone, it has great ergonomity.
Most important is identifying your grip. Your grip can roughly be broken down into 3 types. Palm, Claw, and Figure tip. It's not unusual to alternate between 2 grips throughout a play session.
The next is to recognize the dpi and sensitivity you play at. The way I quantify it, is by the amount of inches it takes me to do a 360. For me it's 12 inches, making me a low dpi gamer (actually I play high dpi low sens).
You then want to see if you do the majority of your movement with the wrist or arm?
Size of hand?
Now do you like to play on a hard surface or mat?
The preferred weight of your mouse?
Last is the preferred glide (also chooses your pad)?
I'd also like to say the surface you play on is nearly as important as the mouse itself. If you're getting a mouse to become more concomitant then don't skip the pad.
Full disclosure I play claw, low dpi, mat, Largish hands with wide grip, heavy mouse, high glide.
My preferred mouse is the corsair m60.
ps the sniper button is useless.
I am currently using a Logitech G400 at work, and for gaming at home I use a Logitech G5. My G5 is now getting on a bit and is disconnecting at random (cord issue, but to be fair it's done pretty well and put up with being transported a LOT lately).
The G400 is lovely for tracking, but it is too small. I have big hands and prefer a *large* mouse if I can find one.
Does anyone have a recommendation for a mouse (preferably with the G400s sensor!) that is bigger than the Logitech G400(s)?
Thanks!
Roo
Seems to have very similar dimensions to the G400 - I'm really after something more in the 160mm length, 90mm width type of range if there's anything out there that big
I remember having an old ball mouse from razer that I used to love. I used it well into the optical mouse era as it was just so much more comfortable than anything else I had tried. Boomslang I think it was called. Loved that mouse!
edit: nothing to do with the roobubbas posts woops.
I went from a deathadder to G400, deathadder considerably larger and more comfortable for my bigger hand.