Finnaly someone else who dies for the team! I thought it was just me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I usually play with my m8 and he finishes off whoevers left, and i get to watch <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm think CS was implying that it is a team game but it never emphasized it in the promotions and such. Plus they don't have as many incentives to play as a team, other than "you will live and have more money". NS, from the start, has been emphasizing the fact that this game is very team oriented and have quite a few incentives to play as a team. It's fine to CS it during the game, just tell your teammates about it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--kolokol+Nov 21 2002, 01:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kolokol @ Nov 21 2002, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Finnaly someone else who dies for the team! I thought it was just me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I usually play with my m8 and he finishes off whoevers left, and i get to watch <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I knew there had to be another one somewhere... I use to play with two other guys who had excellent aim, my only job was to make sure they didn't get flanked. You learn a map pretty well walking around it backwards all the time.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->its related to the imballance of the weapons in CS... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh geez. you better not be one of those "AWP IS TOO STRONG...NERF IT AGAIN" people.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
edited November 2002
ok, the idiot who called Flay a moron gets a big THWACK from me
and at the ppl who die for the team, Hi my name often is MEAT SHIELD (I like CTF/VIP type maps, I tend to try and intercept as many shots at the important player as I can ;D)
next up however here is a nice simple reason why ppl don't like CS (myself included)
it is the comunity
Now hold off one the flames b/c I am not flaming any one (well sorta)
basic deal with CS is that is imposible to play on pub servers (and be enjoyable for me) due to it large number of players
the increas of llama factor (LF ffrom now on) is not necesarily actualy a REAL % increase (though it may be, it would require a LARGE study to do this)
it is actualy a concentration of the GOOD players into small servers (though they might be public they might as well be private for the type of comunity they havE)
so if you remove those good players that stick to their personal servers the LF dramaticly increases, thus creating an illusional increase of LF through out the entire comunity.
I persoanly don't play CS b/c I don't have the patience to go hunt down a good server (though I may actualy get my sysadmins server from him and play on that)
there is also a steryotype of the 'cs newb' Iuse this term b/c the type of person seems to be most prevalent in CS, though you will find them ANYWHERE in the HL comunity.
these are the ppl that give CS/HL a bad name, they are the ones that spam that any one who is good cheats (I get accused of this in other games often, and jokingly I started asking if they owned CS retail, I got a shocking number of positive responses to that)
they also tend to be they type of person who just learned about binds and is having too much stupid fun with them (the ocasional catch frase on a bind is ok, I use them like *chomp chomp* or *tag your it*, but the spaming of 'I roxored you' and crap like that is also acociated with the loosers in CS/HL)
You might have knowticed that I often say cs/HL, this is b/c HL is one of the few games out there that cheating (I will not call it hacking b/c it is NOT) is such a problem (I have done research and used nearly every cheat there is so that I can smack ppl down when they say I am cheatting, and so I can spot real ones (side note, some one claiming you use an aim bot in a mod that dosn't use hit scan weps ;D LOL))
oh well, good players are like rational numbers, though there are a large number of the the probability of finding one is 0 (math/cs majors should get that ;D)
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
no, just the idiots are comming, there was a solid core of good ppl before the game was released, now alot of llamas seem to have come (as well as more good ppl, it jsut is that, like in any HL comunity, the lammers out way and out shout the nice ppl)
There are a whole bunch of HL-Mods, which require much more teamplay than CS.
In example Day of Defeat, Firearms, Desert Crisis and of course NS.
Also with the introduction of Speedmatch-maps like Iceworld, Snow, Elevated, etc., which are extensively played by CS-Players more and more Counterstrike turns out to be a lousy deathmatch game.
I wonder, why they do not play UT or Quake then, if they want fast action.
In almost any online gaming community, the maturity level is rather similar... 20% total morons, 70% normal people, 9% skilled gamers, and 1% super elite players. This represents the demographic composition of the computer-gaming public as a whole. Unfortunately, in UT, CS, Starcraft/Warcraft, and other highly popular games, skilled gamers and super elite players all play on their own passworded locked servers, leaving normal people to be on servers infested with total morons.
In contrast, the best gameplay communities are often encountered in closed Beta tests, where the ratio is much closer to 40% normal people, 40% skilled gamers, and 20% super elite players. Newly released games often have a player ratio much closer to this optimum simply because the player composition is beta testers plus Early Adopters, who usually fall 50-50 into the normal people and skilled gamer classes. Morons usually are not well-informed enough to get into a newly released game.
The only reason NS currently has less of a Moron Ratio than most other games is because it's too new and too complicated for the morons to flock to. And judging by some of the anti-CS sentiments in these forums, the moron ratio is quickly headed toward average. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I personally find it ridiculous that the phrase "CS player" is used by some people here to describe the total moron with no skill, teamwork, or communication ability. At high skill levels, CS can be almost as team-oriented as NS. At low skill levels, <b>of course</b> you'll get lots of morons. If you think morons are unique to CS, boy are you in for a surprise; just wait a few months until morons start showing up in NS... Moreover, calling CS a "deathmatch" game is just <b>ridiculous</b>. Any hardcore Q3 or UT2k3 player will laugh at you for calling CS a deathmatcher. So will a hardcore CS player. Many of the anti-CS slurs I've seen here prove little more than the closed-mindedness of the poster.
<!--QuoteBegin--F4sTF0rw4rD+Nov 21 2002, 02:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (F4sTF0rw4rD @ Nov 21 2002, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ok as a cs player myself i dont understand a few things...
how come everyone bashes cs all he time?
wtf did u play before ns came out? tfc? lol
cs is a game, dont hate everyone who plays it
teammwork shouldnt be forced. there are many advantages to teamwork, infortunately, no one is cs uses it. teamwork depends on a team! get it?
i almost never follow the objectives in cs, im a stat **obscenity** myself
i dont like to depend on other people to keep me alive so i dont follow the team all of the time.
alien is more independant, marines get squashed if they go out alone so i am always alien.
ns caters to many different playing types, dont pretend you are better because u follow the team all the time or bash cs<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is this sarcasm or serious? It always scares me when I can't tell the difference... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
CS is a great game even still, actually it took NS to break my year and a half long addiction. Its a fun game and a damn good mod. In the end I think thats what makes it suck....not because of the game itself but its popularity. Too many people play it. Remember for every decent person in the world there is 5 complete asstards and in CS those asstards were cheaters, whiners, raggers, hackers, and dare I say admins. The kind of people that were drawn to the game only <i>because</i> it is popular ruined it. They came only to exploit it and ruin peoples fun. I dont think anyone is bagging the game itself but, more or less the overwhelming BS attitude that personifies CS to the rest of the Multiplayer galaxy. I hear negative comments about CSers and CS in general in UT2K3...SS even warcraft games and forums. Its sad what a few asstards have done to such a great game. Its even more sad that the asstards are the overwhelming majority...and that goes for all aspects of life.
Sheez i never noticed when Flayra became a god............. =P Cs is a good game, but its too repetitive, since i played ns, cs i don´t know.. it´s not the same thing you know, i find it very boring every time starting, buying, rushing killing killing killing, getting killed because you where alone.....
Now i play ns *evil grin * ]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[ (Alien): OMG MARINES RUSHING, GATHER MY HELLSPAWNZ *waits* *waits* ]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[ (Alien): they coming, hold on a sec..... when i say, the front ones go, then when the marines start firing, the other ones drop behind em mwhahaha =D *step step step* ]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[ (Alien): dispose of them..... *drops* *drops* *drops* *Xenoform spotted* *tratatatatat* *drops* *drops* *drops* ]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[: ATTACK!!! *chuckles* *chomp* *chomp* *chomp* *chuckles* *chuckles* *chuckles*
Yep, I love CS will play again soon when 1.6 hits and will buy condition zero. The CS scene changed quite a bit over the last couple? years with the start of the rampant wall hack , which was viewing the map in wireframes, which a video card manufacturer created the hack in its "Video Options" started the problem. Then aimbots and bots and Bhopping and speed and sniper hacks, it created a zero trust atmosphere were the guy with the most frags had to be cheating. I am no master but whenever you had a good game 15-1 or whatever people started screaming cheater, that bit. Could never play FF on public half the time cause of team killers. DOD seemed to attract a more mature audience so I went to that. I have played some CS again recently seems to have improved a bit with the fixes. But this d-a-m-n NS is addicting, WTH am I doing reading all these post while I wait for a fresh Gamespy 3d refresh with juicy servers awaiting. Guzzling huge amounts of beer and eating tons of Marines. I need help.
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
edited November 2002
Ok, because the internet is a cross-section of humanity in general.
CS is the most well known to the public.
The public, (which ISN'T the same thing as the game playing community, they are the part that shout "I PWNED J00! in games and tell you how they are now 1337 UBER H4X0RS) are morons. You must understand this golden rule. The average person has a permanent 1D10T error on their computer. (Yes, I work at a Helpdesk, yes, I have told users that they have a 1D10T error. It gets a chuckle in the office.)
Hence, as there are more members of the public on CS than on any other game, the % of players who are morons is higher, hence, CS appears to be full of morons. Gettit now?
As this game gets more popular, and thus more noticed by a greater % of the gaming community who aren't mature in their gaming style (All 13 year old CS players take note) this game will also, start to feature more members of 'The public' (who are morons <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Edited so I could feature the word moron one more time : Moron. (Whoops. Twice <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
<!--QuoteBegin--hp_Sirius+Nov 21 2002, 10:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hp_Sirius @ Nov 21 2002, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've noticed a number of posts citing CSers as bad, and incapable of being useful in NS. Could some one please explain why such a great game is looked so poorly upon here? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Elitism.
To me there is simply no good reason for one person to tell another person (CSer) why they can't fit in to a particular community (NS).
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
please disregard Shock's use of 'the public' he is simply a deranged helpdesk warrior (they can't help it it gets t othem)
this 'public' that he sepaks of is actualy a minority of idiots that are attarcted to large games (this includes hackers, script kiddies, llamas, and griefers, infact griefers are only attracted to large games)
I personally find it ridiculous that the phrase "CS player" is used by some people here to describe the total moron with no skill, teamwork, or communication ability. At high skill levels, CS can be almost as team-oriented as NS. At low skill levels, <b>of course</b> you'll get lots of morons. If you think morons are unique to CS, boy are you in for a surprise; just wait a few months until morons start showing up in NS... Moreover, calling CS a "deathmatch" game is just <b>ridiculous</b>. Any hardcore Q3 or UT2k3 player will laugh at you for calling CS a deathmatcher. So will a hardcore CS player. Many of the anti-CS slurs I've seen here prove little more than the closed-mindedness of the poster.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I know that CS is rather a Team oriented game than a deathmatch game.
But tell that to those morons in the net, who only play speedmaps.
IT IS THE MOST PLAYED INTERNET GAME IN THE WORLD!!!!
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, VHS also was the most common Video system in the world, altough Video 2000 was better.
Microsoft is also the most common system in the world, but Apple is better.
You know why people play CS?
Coz it is simple.
It is at least simpler for beginners than any other Mod I mentioned.
ShockehIf a packet drops on the web and nobody's near to see it...Join Date: 2002-11-19Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
Ty Thansal <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Exscuse or not, still true tho'
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you think morons are unique to CS, boy are you in for a surprise; just wait a few months until morons start showing up in NS... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly, wait until word gets around more. I'm already seeing them doing the ready room - Invincible trick.
j00 Can´t take ns away from meh, i would die after 10 secs away from it D= =D i was just exagerating guys.... =P Don´t look at me in that way coil..... coil..... COIL!! *slaps* ok, thats better =D
Heh, it's just numbers. CS has a very big group of players. Show me a large group of people and I'll show you a large group of idiots. A small community will often have good players, because they stick around for a reason. And even if they're not great players, they'll have something in common and no go l33tsp3ak on each other. For large groups, attracting scum happens automatically. That's why even in democracies people often think the government sucks: the majority always chooses the wrong one <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now, I'm sure there are good CS players too, they just are hard to spot among the rest. And team games aren't so popular, often people just go Rambo in games because they're not allowed to do so at work/school and then they get killed because they should have been working together, and get frustrated, and go play CS... (or some other deathmatch, CS on pubs is just deathmatch with some people that happen to be on your side).
Same happened in Tribes 2, some people just couldn't figure out that assaulting an enemy base with only a pilot and no assault force in the heavy transport wasn't such a great move.
Now saying that any skills you possibly picked up playing CS is of no use in NS or any other FPS for that matter is a damned lie. You learn twitch, team tactics, and personal tactics. It's like saying that NS, CS, HL, Quake 3, UT, or any of those are in no way related, which is a total lie.
They are all FPS's! If you've gained competancy in one, congratulations, you've learned the basics of any fps out there, way to go dude!
But seriously, a more hardcore CS player would be of more use than one that has never touched a first-person shooter in their life, in a game of NS anyways. Snapshot is essential for taking out rampaging skulks, moving in groups is essential for staying alive, and the occasional bait and run is necessary too. That's something you've probably learned playing team in CS!
Playing aliens, same deal. The person that has been playing FPS's longer can already apply any skill they've picked up on moving around and being agile... wild jumping skulks are harder to hit than ones that run straight as an arrow at the target....
Why they are looked down upon? Well yeah, fantasmo owns the point here by saying it's elitism... and he's probably right!
It's just really easy for anyone that has had a bad experience with CS to down it so bad because they like NS better, saying that NS is more of a team game... well that's true, you don't have to work as hard to get people working together, since that's how the game is structured. It does suck that CS (public) is so hard to get team tactics going on, but it's not impossible.
I didn't bother reading this entire topic... BUT...
I think there's an important thing about CS.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> You can buy it in a nice box.</span>
Which means it tends to have more impulse buying than the people who know about mods. I know some friends who have trouble with the idea that CS is Half Life, but Half Life isn't CS, and that CS isn't independent of HL...
In other words, you get more jerks and newbies because the POOL of people is so much bigger, you notice more of them and they stick out in your mind compared to the average-but-good-people players.
In all honesty I believe CS takes more skill than NS. With almost no noticable barrel rise (although the cone pattern is apparent with the HMG) it is fairly easy to hit what you aim at. Even if its multiple targets. CS, in league play NOT a public server, requires you to have a dead on accuracy for you to be successful. Sometimes your target could be only 3 or 4 pixels wide and you need a headshot to win.
A ton of teamwork and communication is also needed, in a very rapid fashion. The game is fast paced, although it has been slowed down some, and requires teammates not only to work together but to independantly make their own decisions on the fly. My experiences with NS are quite different. This game requires a lot of teamwork (moreso than CS but also more emphasised) to be successfull but individual skill is thereby downplayed by the type of weapons available. I just find it easier to charge head on into a fade at fullauto with my HMG than to try to outshoot it at a distance, placing shots in a strategic location (head).
I love NS, CS, and DoD. I feel all require teamwork and I play them as such. Each mod deserves its own respect, its only the community that can give them a bad name. I agree with the low level of maturity seen in CS, but that's because of the size. I'm sure you can find the same level of maturity in NS than you do in CS. Ultimately, it comes down to how you play the game and with who, which is up to each person to decide for themselves.
well i'm gonna through in my two cents... I HATE CS! Now dont jump on me... but i HATE IT! Not everyone who plays it, but what it has become... sooo many morons, fools, 6 year olds, and others of the type play it. I feel people who play it devolop a certain attitude and play style or boasting about themselves and bashing others who they kill. UGH!
<!--QuoteBegin--TheHornet+Nov 21 2002, 03:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheHornet @ Nov 21 2002, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well i'm gonna through in my two cents... I HATE CS! Now dont jump on me... but i HATE IT! Not everyone who plays it, but what it has become... sooo many morons, fools, 6 year olds, and others of the type play it. I feel people who play it devolop a certain attitude and play style or boasting about themselves and bashing others who they kill. UGH!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Funny, I am starting to think the same thing about the majority of people that play NS.
Then again I understand that the same people that play other games are playing NS. So it is not the game, it is the typical gamer.
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I usually play with my m8 and he finishes off whoevers left, and i get to watch <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I usually play with my m8 and he finishes off whoevers left, and i get to watch <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I knew there had to be another one somewhere...
I use to play with two other guys who had excellent aim, my only job was to make sure they didn't get flanked. You learn a map pretty well walking around it backwards all the time.
oh geez. you better not be one of those "AWP IS TOO STRONG...NERF IT AGAIN" people.
and at the ppl who die for the team, Hi my name often is MEAT SHIELD (I like CTF/VIP type maps, I tend to try and intercept as many shots at the important player as I can ;D)
next up however here is a nice simple reason why ppl don't like CS (myself included)
it is the comunity
Now hold off one the flames b/c I am not flaming any one (well sorta)
basic deal with CS is that is imposible to play on pub servers (and be enjoyable for me) due to it large number of players
the increas of llama factor (LF ffrom now on) is not necesarily actualy a REAL % increase (though it may be, it would require a LARGE study to do this)
it is actualy a concentration of the GOOD players into small servers (though they might be public they might as well be private for the type of comunity they havE)
so if you remove those good players that stick to their personal servers the LF dramaticly increases, thus creating an illusional increase of LF through out the entire comunity.
I persoanly don't play CS b/c I don't have the patience to go hunt down a good server (though I may actualy get my sysadmins server from him and play on that)
there is also a steryotype of the 'cs newb' Iuse this term b/c the type of person seems to be most prevalent in CS, though you will find them ANYWHERE in the HL comunity.
these are the ppl that give CS/HL a bad name, they are the ones that spam that any one who is good cheats (I get accused of this in other games often, and jokingly I started asking if they owned CS retail, I got a shocking number of positive responses to that)
they also tend to be they type of person who just learned about binds and is having too much stupid fun with them (the ocasional catch frase on a bind is ok, I use them like *chomp chomp* or *tag your it*, but the spaming of 'I roxored you' and crap like that is also acociated with the loosers in CS/HL)
You might have knowticed that I often say cs/HL, this is b/c HL is one of the few games out there that cheating (I will not call it hacking b/c it is NOT) is such a problem (I have done research and used nearly every cheat there is so that I can smack ppl down when they say I am cheatting, and so I can spot real ones (side note, some one claiming you use an aim bot in a mod that dosn't use hit scan weps ;D LOL))
oh well, good players are like rational numbers, though there are a large number of the the probability of finding one is 0 (math/cs majors should get that ;D)
In example Day of Defeat, Firearms, Desert Crisis and of course NS.
Also with the introduction of Speedmatch-maps like Iceworld, Snow, Elevated, etc., which are extensively played by CS-Players more and more Counterstrike turns out to be a lousy deathmatch game.
I wonder, why they do not play UT or Quake then, if they want fast action.
In contrast, the best gameplay communities are often encountered in closed Beta tests, where the ratio is much closer to 40% normal people, 40% skilled gamers, and 20% super elite players. Newly released games often have a player ratio much closer to this optimum simply because the player composition is beta testers plus Early Adopters, who usually fall 50-50 into the normal people and skilled gamer classes. Morons usually are not well-informed enough to get into a newly released game.
The only reason NS currently has less of a Moron Ratio than most other games is because it's too new and too complicated for the morons to flock to. And judging by some of the anti-CS sentiments in these forums, the moron ratio is quickly headed toward average. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I personally find it ridiculous that the phrase "CS player" is used by some people here to describe the total moron with no skill, teamwork, or communication ability. At high skill levels, CS can be almost as team-oriented as NS. At low skill levels, <b>of course</b> you'll get lots of morons. If you think morons are unique to CS, boy are you in for a surprise; just wait a few months until morons start showing up in NS... Moreover, calling CS a "deathmatch" game is just <b>ridiculous</b>. Any hardcore Q3 or UT2k3 player will laugh at you for calling CS a deathmatcher. So will a hardcore CS player. Many of the anti-CS slurs I've seen here prove little more than the closed-mindedness of the poster.
how come everyone bashes cs all he time?
wtf did u play before ns came out? tfc? lol
cs is a game, dont hate everyone who plays it
teammwork shouldnt be forced. there are many advantages to teamwork, infortunately, no one is cs uses it. teamwork depends on a team! get it?
i almost never follow the objectives in cs, im a stat **obscenity** myself
i dont like to depend on other people to keep me alive so i dont follow the team all of the time.
alien is more independant, marines get squashed if they go out alone so i am always alien.
ns caters to many different playing types, dont pretend you are better because u follow the team all the time or bash cs
cs has more lamers because...
IT IS THE MOST PLAYED INTERNET GAME IN THE WORLD!!!!
so be quiet about the llamas and play the damn game .PERIOD.
how come everyone bashes cs all he time?
wtf did u play before ns came out? tfc? lol
cs is a game, dont hate everyone who plays it
teammwork shouldnt be forced. there are many advantages to teamwork, infortunately, no one is cs uses it. teamwork depends on a team! get it?
i almost never follow the objectives in cs, im a stat **obscenity** myself
i dont like to depend on other people to keep me alive so i dont follow the team all of the time.
alien is more independant, marines get squashed if they go out alone so i am always alien.
ns caters to many different playing types, dont pretend you are better because u follow the team all the time or bash cs<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is this sarcasm or serious? It always scares me when I can't tell the difference... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
Cs is a good game, but its too repetitive, since i played ns, cs i don´t know.. it´s not the same thing you know, i find it very boring every time starting, buying, rushing killing killing killing, getting killed because you where alone.....
Now i play ns *evil grin *
]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[ (Alien): OMG MARINES RUSHING, GATHER MY HELLSPAWNZ
*waits* *waits*
]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[ (Alien): they coming, hold on a sec..... when i say, the front ones go, then when the marines start firing, the other ones drop behind em mwhahaha =D
*step step step*
]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[ (Alien): dispose of them.....
*drops* *drops* *drops*
*Xenoform spotted* *tratatatatat*
*drops* *drops* *drops*
]U.E[Battousai <NightWish>]NSF[: ATTACK!!!
*chuckles* *chomp* *chomp* *chomp*
*chuckles* *chuckles* *chuckles*
FOR TEH MIND!
/me reaches for the straightjacket
CS is the most well known to the public.
The public, (which ISN'T the same thing as the game playing community, they are the part that shout "I PWNED J00! in games and tell you how they are now 1337 UBER H4X0RS) are morons. You must understand this golden rule. The average person has a permanent 1D10T error on their computer. (Yes, I work at a Helpdesk, yes, I have told users that they have a 1D10T error. It gets a chuckle in the office.)
Hence, as there are more members of the public on CS than on any other game, the % of players who are morons is higher, hence, CS appears to be full of morons. Gettit now?
As this game gets more popular, and thus more noticed by a greater % of the gaming community who aren't mature in their gaming style (All 13 year old CS players take note) this game will also, start to feature more members of 'The public' (who are morons <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Edited so I could feature the word moron one more time : Moron. (Whoops. Twice <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )
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Elitism.
To me there is simply no good reason for one person to tell another person (CSer) why they can't fit in to a particular community (NS).
It disgusts me.
this 'public' that he sepaks of is actualy a minority of idiots that are attarcted to large games (this includes hackers, script kiddies, llamas, and griefers, infact griefers are only attracted to large games)
again please exuse the help desk warrior
I personally find it ridiculous that the phrase "CS player" is used by some people here to describe the total moron with no skill, teamwork, or communication ability. At high skill levels, CS can be almost as team-oriented as NS. At low skill levels, <b>of course</b> you'll get lots of morons. If you think morons are unique to CS, boy are you in for a surprise; just wait a few months until morons start showing up in NS... Moreover, calling CS a "deathmatch" game is just <b>ridiculous</b>. Any hardcore Q3 or UT2k3 player will laugh at you for calling CS a deathmatcher. So will a hardcore CS player. Many of the anti-CS slurs I've seen here prove little more than the closed-mindedness of the poster.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know that CS is rather a Team oriented game than a deathmatch game.
But tell that to those morons in the net, who only play speedmaps.
IT IS THE MOST PLAYED INTERNET GAME IN THE WORLD!!!!
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Yeah, VHS also was the most common Video system in the world, altough Video 2000 was better.
Microsoft is also the most common system in the world, but Apple is better.
You know why people play CS?
Coz it is simple.
It is at least simpler for beginners than any other Mod I mentioned.
Exscuse or not, still true tho'
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Exactly, wait until word gets around more. I'm already seeing them doing the ready room - Invincible trick.
=D i was just exagerating guys.... =P
Don´t look at me in that way coil..... coil..... COIL!! *slaps* ok, thats better =D
That's why even in democracies people often think the government sucks: the majority always chooses the wrong one <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now, I'm sure there are good CS players too, they just are hard to spot among the rest. And team games aren't so popular, often people just go Rambo in games because they're not allowed to do so at work/school and then they get killed because they should have been working together, and get frustrated, and go play CS... (or some other deathmatch, CS on pubs is just deathmatch with some people that happen to be on your side).
Same happened in Tribes 2, some people just couldn't figure out that assaulting an enemy base with only a pilot and no assault force in the heavy transport wasn't such a great move.
/elitist mode engaged
Well, that's just Tribes 2. It deserved everything that happened to it after crashing my PC
/elitist mode disengaged
Now saying that any skills you possibly picked up playing CS is of no use in NS or any other FPS for that matter is a damned lie. You learn twitch, team tactics, and personal tactics. It's like saying that NS, CS, HL, Quake 3, UT, or any of those are in no way related, which is a total lie.
They are all FPS's! If you've gained competancy in one, congratulations, you've learned the basics of any fps out there, way to go dude!
But seriously, a more hardcore CS player would be of more use than one that has never touched a first-person shooter in their life, in a game of NS anyways. Snapshot is essential for taking out rampaging skulks, moving in groups is essential for staying alive, and the occasional bait and run is necessary too. That's something you've probably learned playing team in CS!
Playing aliens, same deal. The person that has been playing FPS's longer can already apply any skill they've picked up on moving around and being agile... wild jumping skulks are harder to hit than ones that run straight as an arrow at the target....
Why they are looked down upon? Well yeah, fantasmo owns the point here by saying it's elitism... and he's probably right!
It's just really easy for anyone that has had a bad experience with CS to down it so bad because they like NS better, saying that NS is more of a team game... well that's true, you don't have to work as hard to get people working together, since that's how the game is structured. It does suck that CS (public) is so hard to get team tactics going on, but it's not impossible.
So whatever, like what you like, and hang loose.
I think there's an important thing about CS.
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> You can buy it in a nice box.</span>
Which means it tends to have more impulse buying than the people who know about mods. I know some friends who have trouble with the idea that CS is Half Life, but Half Life isn't CS, and that CS isn't independent of HL...
In other words, you get more jerks and newbies because the POOL of people is so much bigger, you notice more of them and they stick out in your mind compared to the average-but-good-people players.
A ton of teamwork and communication is also needed, in a very rapid fashion. The game is fast paced, although it has been slowed down some, and requires teammates not only to work together but to independantly make their own decisions on the fly. My experiences with NS are quite different. This game requires a lot of teamwork (moreso than CS but also more emphasised) to be successfull but individual skill is thereby downplayed by the type of weapons available. I just find it easier to charge head on into a fade at fullauto with my HMG than to try to outshoot it at a distance, placing shots in a strategic location (head).
I love NS, CS, and DoD. I feel all require teamwork and I play them as such. Each mod deserves its own respect, its only the community that can give them a bad name. I agree with the low level of maturity seen in CS, but that's because of the size. I'm sure you can find the same level of maturity in NS than you do in CS. Ultimately, it comes down to how you play the game and with who, which is up to each person to decide for themselves.
Funny, I am starting to think the same thing about the majority of people that play NS.
Then again I understand that the same people that play other games are playing NS. So it is not the game, it is the typical gamer.