<!--quoteo(post=2045919:date=Dec 14 2012, 03:29 PM:name=Hivelord)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hivelord @ Dec 14 2012, 03:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2045919"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->They need to implement 1st person spectator. Not only would it solve all these hackers accusations it would allow new players to see how the pros play.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If only it worked that way :(. The average player would likely have a difficult time differentiating between a legitimately good player and a hacker (just like in every single other FPS game), unless he's using clear rage settings on the hack.
<!--quoteo(post=2045878:date=Dec 14 2012, 09:59 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 14 2012, 09:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2045878"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't believe the aimbot is publicly available yet, if you did indeed encounter it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Unfortunately the idiot who's part of the certain aimbot dev team tends to play the games a bit with the aimbot on to create youtube montages to showcase how good it is before its released. Hence seeing him about and I expect others will see him about too, you'll know its him.
People who say they see hackers are almost for sure talking out of their ass, there has not been any proof that hacks even exist for this game currently.
<!--quoteo(post=2045945:date=Dec 15 2012, 12:20 AM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Dec 15 2012, 12:20 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2045945"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->People who say they see hackers are almost for sure talking out of their ass, there has not been any proof that hacks even exist for this game currently.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> No game is free of hacks. Its just an unfortunate issue. If something seems to good to be true ask about it / Ask your team if they're noticing something too.
I have no doubt there are people hacking in this game, at present though they are rare due to good admins mostly and the lack of availability of the mods / hacks
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W01lj56B9aM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W01lj56B9aM</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I just gained a lot of respect for HLDM. I don't think I've ever seen an FPS with such a high requirement for density of input.
my brother used to play hldm and he dominated every server. usually with that wall penetrating weapon. but he was not as good as garpy. killling by sound is totally doable due to the fact that stuff has fixed spawn points. Even I could always hear some1 picking up that lmg on crossfire. Hence a really skilled player could even differentiate alot of weapon pick ups.
<!--quoteo(post=2046093:date=Dec 15 2012, 02:38 AM:name=Sehzade)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sehzade @ Dec 15 2012, 02:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046093"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->my brother used to play hldm and he dominated every server. usually with that wall penetrating weapon. but he was not as good as garpy. killling by sound is totally doable due to the fact that stuff has fixed spawn points. Even I could always hear some1 picking up that lmg on crossfire. Hence a really skilled player could even differentiate alot of weapon pick ups.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> At my prime in NS I could pick out the approximate location of skulks through walls, but I doubt even close to well enough to actually hit them with a wall penetrating weapon, although I guess if it's worth practicing, you can even get better at that.
I was going to say to Dwavenhobble's point of lucky ambushes. I would be called on that a lot in NS, it's because people don't realize how much noise they make through walls. Most of the time before I'd go into a room I'd know exactly where to look for ambushers, where they were and where they were not, because they gave up their position as I was approaching with stutter steps before they even knew I was on my way there.
<!--quoteo(post=2046100:date=Dec 15 2012, 02:53 AM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 15 2012, 02:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046100"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At my prime in NS I could pick out the approximate location of skulks through walls, but I doubt even close to well enough to actually hit them with a wall penetrating weapon, although I guess if it's worth practicing, you can even get better at that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or you could play CS and hear people running on the other side of the wall and shoot them to practice, it isn't difficult.
Anyway, even if there was someone cheawting, it really doesn't matter.. with 1200~ ish players, i'm not worried about a random pubber cheating. If on the other hand there were competitive players cheating, than I would be a little more upset. But with all the teams I have played against, I can't say that I suspect anyone. People need to get off of their high horse and realize there will always be players who will always be far better than they are.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited December 2012
Is using Sennheiser headphones cheating, cause I know about stuff around the corner and can fairly accurately pinpoint the location. Even with Spark's weird audio positional system... Which in turn might look like wallhacking, I've been accused of that quite a fair amount of times. Especially when combining it with predicting other players patterns when they are being a bit too obvious...
Anyone who says there are no hacks, has no clue. There diffidently are hacks out there, fortunately, I think that most of the NS2 community are legit players.
I run Victurus 24 Man server, I have banned maybe 10-20 players total for hacks, the other 100+ bans are for players who troll, flame, or are just being jerks to people.
With the tools admins currently have, 3rd person spec mode, with no 1st person available, hopefully like me everyone is doing the best they can to make sure the people they ban are hackers. Aimbot is rare, because its hard to setup and its buggy currently. Wallhacks are common, because its a simple DLL injector, and its undetectable at the moment.
Any admin of a popular server should be doing their due research on hacks, so that they know whats out there, how they are being used, how they work, and what they can look for in order to correctly identify a hacker from a skilled or lucky player.
I hate having to ban people, one because then there is always some friend on the server who starts ranting how "he wasn't a hacker, cause I am sitting next to him and i can see his screen and blah bah blah." This sucks cause then I usually have to ban another person. And case yall didn't know, banning isn't simple, specially when I am trying to play!
I have to go sit in spectator mode for like 20 minutes.. follow the person, watch for MULTIPLE instances of something, to make sure they arnt getting lucky, and then i have to sv_status.. find their id.. sv_ban id.. and then hopefully I get to play again, by this time my team is losing... yata yata yata.. the life of a admin.
But if its helps keep my server clean of hacks, so that everyone can better enjoy their stay, then I will spend my time in spectator.
Oh and BTW for the... special kids.. who say I just don't have skill so I ban people.. I am currently ranked #1 on NS2stats.org out of the 42,020 current players listed on it. So um.. no.. im not a unskilled rager, thanks anyway.
With all that said, if you hack.. stay away from my server, i will catch you. If you want to play in a friendly, as hack free as we can make it server.. come join us!
Dang, you must have quite the popular server among hackers to have banned 10+ of them. Friends and I still have yet to see one, perhaps we're just lucky though.
<!--quoteo(post=2046307:date=Dec 15 2012, 11:50 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Dec 15 2012, 11:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046307"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Banning them is still more of an educated guess though with the current tools...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. :3
The chances of my friends or I not running into a single hacker, while this guy has 10+, is so extremely unlikely with how small the player base. Has a known competent player actually reported a person hacking yet? (actual question, not being sarcastic this time)
Not to take anything away from Ecks, since we just recently started talking. But I know I was banned from the Victurus server for quite some time. I wasn't talking or doing anything was just playing my usual game, so i'm assuming someone thought I was cheating. Probably wasn't you who banned me, but either way i'm unbanned now.
I would never determine someones skill through ns2stats. It's nice to see what class a person plays, and a few of the numbers but besides that, I wouldn't take much of it into account.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=2046310:date=Dec 15 2012, 07:55 PM:name=turtsmcgurt)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (turtsmcgurt @ Dec 15 2012, 07:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046310"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, I was being sarcastic. :3
The chances of my friends or I not running into a single hacker, while this guy has 10+, is so extremely unlikely with how small the player base. Has a known competent player actually reported a person hacking yet? (actual question, not being sarcastic this time)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Anyone that gets to the random portal before me is a hacker!
I've been banned from a 24 player dallas server before. Don't remember if it was the Victurus one but I have played on it. Also, your server is running 60 ticks and having a ton of net issues, I think I should point that out.
I recall a conversation I had with a server admin (in NS1) about bans for 'hax' and being able to prove it etc... His response was that he does believe that in some cases there will be people he will ban that aren't hacking but that are "really, really, really good" - the problem, as he aptly noted, was that "when you get to that level it doesn't matter if it is hax or skill since in the end it has the same effect on the server - it screws it all up".
Which is true. If you have a marine going 50 and 0, and he is not hacking, he is almost certainly making the game unplayable for others. It's like putting a pro hockey player on a minor hockey team. No contest.
So I really don't think it matters. If a person is honestly not hacking, if they are *that* good, then they should wear any bans they get as badges of honor.
Like I said, the chances of anybody hacking is extremely low. The chances of banning hackers is extremely low. I'm almost certain that 100% of the bans from that server are legit players. Even so, there is 0 ways to tell a hacker apart. First of all, good players will hit 100% of their shots most of the time against normal skulks. Second, it's impossible to tell how fast you die because the interp in NS2 is really terrible at the moment and you never know how many shots it takes to kill you, I've been instakilled by 1 player using a rifle around a corner when I was a lerk before, it happens. And finally I am almost certain that hacks do not exist yet. I have not seen proof and no comp players have found someone who was a legitimate hacker. There are also no players I've or anybody I know who even stands out as someone who is fishy.
<!--quoteo(post=2046298:date=Dec 15 2012, 03:31 PM:name=sleeping)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleeping @ Dec 15 2012, 03:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046298"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hate having to ban people, one because then there is always some friend on the server who starts ranting how "he wasn't a hacker, cause I am sitting next to him and i can see his screen and blah bah blah." This sucks cause then I usually have to ban another person. And case yall didn't know, banning isn't simple, specially when I am trying to play!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You 'have to ban' their friend who wants to know why you banned someone who wasn't hacking?
I'm just glad I'm not on the same continent as your server, you sound like a total troll admin to me!
<!--quoteo(post=2046386:date=Dec 15 2012, 03:43 PM:name=Savant)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Savant @ Dec 15 2012, 03:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046386"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I recall a conversation I had with a server admin (in NS1) about bans for 'hax' and being able to prove it etc... His response was that he does believe that in some cases there will be people he will ban that aren't hacking but that are "really, really, really good" - the problem, as he aptly noted, was that "when you get to that level it doesn't matter if it is hax or skill since in the end it has the same effect on the server - it screws it all up".
Which is true. If you have a marine going 50 and 0, and he is not hacking, he is almost certainly making the game unplayable for others. It's like putting a pro hockey player on a minor hockey team. No contest.
So I really don't think it matters. If a person is honestly not hacking, if they are *that* good, then they should wear any bans they get as badges of honor.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Got it. So we should get rid of the new players going 0 - 17 as they're bringing the average down.
There isn't an eyeroll hard enough to express how stupid of a position that is to take.
I'll resort to the perfectly cast Liz Lemon to try and express it.
<!--quoteo(post=2046298:date=Dec 15 2012, 11:31 AM:name=sleeping)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleeping @ Dec 15 2012, 11:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046298"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Anyone who says there are no hacks, has no clue. There diffidently are hacks out there, fortunately, I think that most of the NS2 community are legit players.
I run Victurus 24 Man server, I have banned maybe 10-20 players total for hacks, the other 100+ bans are for players who troll, flame, or are just being jerks to people.
With the tools admins currently have, 3rd person spec mode, with no 1st person available, hopefully like me everyone is doing the best they can to make sure the people they ban are hackers. Aimbot is rare, because its hard to setup and its buggy currently. Wallhacks are common, because its a simple DLL injector, and its undetectable at the moment.
Any admin of a popular server should be doing their due research on hacks, so that they know whats out there, how they are being used, how they work, and what they can look for in order to correctly identify a hacker from a skilled or lucky player.
I hate having to ban people, one because then there is always some friend on the server who starts ranting how "he wasn't a hacker, cause I am sitting next to him and i can see his screen and blah bah blah." This sucks cause then I usually have to ban another person. And case yall didn't know, banning isn't simple, specially when I am trying to play!
I have to go sit in spectator mode for like 20 minutes.. follow the person, watch for MULTIPLE instances of something, to make sure they arnt getting lucky, and then i have to sv_status.. find their id.. sv_ban id.. and then hopefully I get to play again, by this time my team is losing... yata yata yata.. the life of a admin.
But if its helps keep my server clean of hacks, so that everyone can better enjoy their stay, then I will spend my time in spectator.
Oh and BTW for the... special kids.. who say I just don't have skill so I ban people.. I am currently ranked #1 on NS2stats.org out of the 42,020 current players listed on it. So um.. no.. im not a unskilled rager, thanks anyway.
With all that said, if you hack.. stay away from my server, i will catch you. If you want to play in a friendly, as hack free as we can make it server.. come join us!
My Profile: <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/id/xclen" target="_blank">http://steamcommunity.com/id/xclen</a>
-Ecks Leader of Victurus<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, figuring that your server is the type to ban legitimately good players relatively quickly, I decided to hop on tonight.
What ended up getting me banned? Shooting a drifter, and hitting a skulk in the process. Immediately accused of DLL injecting, and banned from the server.
Pretty hilarious. Especially since camo makes people 100% invisible to begin with, meaning that a DLL inject style hack wouldn't do anything.
edit: I'll note that the skulk I killed was Eckz. Apparently too stupid to see the drifter I was shooting about a foot in front of him. lolol.
<!--quoteo(post=2046298:date=Dec 15 2012, 02:31 PM:name=sleeping)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sleeping @ Dec 15 2012, 02:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046298"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Anyone who says there are no hacks, has no clue. There diffidently are hacks out there, fortunately, I think that most of the NS2 community are legit players.
I run Victurus 24 Man server, I have banned maybe 10-20 players total for hacks, the other 100+ bans are for players who troll, flame, or are just being jerks to people.
With the tools admins currently have, 3rd person spec mode, with no 1st person available, hopefully like me everyone is doing the best they can to make sure the people they ban are hackers. Aimbot is rare, because its hard to setup and its buggy currently. Wallhacks are common, because its a simple DLL injector, and its undetectable at the moment.
Any admin of a popular server should be doing their due research on hacks, so that they know whats out there, how they are being used, how they work, and what they can look for in order to correctly identify a hacker from a skilled or lucky player.
I hate having to ban people, one because then there is always some friend on the server who starts ranting how "he wasn't a hacker, cause I am sitting next to him and i can see his screen and blah bah blah." This sucks cause then I usually have to ban another person. And case yall didn't know, banning isn't simple, specially when I am trying to play!
I have to go sit in spectator mode for like 20 minutes.. follow the person, watch for MULTIPLE instances of something, to make sure they arnt getting lucky, and then i have to sv_status.. find their id.. sv_ban id.. and then hopefully I get to play again, by this time my team is losing... yata yata yata.. the life of a admin.
But if its helps keep my server clean of hacks, so that everyone can better enjoy their stay, then I will spend my time in spectator.
Oh and BTW for the... special kids.. who say I just don't have skill so I ban people.. I am currently ranked #1 on NS2stats.org out of the 42,020 current players listed on it. So um.. no.. im not a unskilled rager, thanks anyway.
With all that said, if you hack.. stay away from my server, i will catch you. If you want to play in a friendly, as hack free as we can make it server.. come join us!
My Profile: <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/id/xclen" target="_blank">http://steamcommunity.com/id/xclen</a>
-Ecks Leader of Victurus<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yay, another "anyone who is better than me is hacking" newb. We used to love your type so much in NS. Great job being good at amassing imaginary points in 24 player pubs.
<!--quoteo(post=2046476:date=Dec 15 2012, 07:15 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 15 2012, 07:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046476"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yay, another "anyone who is better than me is hacking" newb. We used to love your type so much in NS. Great job being good at amassing imaginary points in 24 player pubs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It takes killing him about twice to trigger a ban. :]
<!--quoteo(post=2046292:date=Dec 15 2012, 07:24 PM:name=Syknik)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Syknik @ Dec 15 2012, 07:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046292"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Or you could play CS and hear people running on the other side of the wall and shoot them to practice, it isn't difficult.
Anyway, even if there was someone cheawting, it really doesn't matter.. with 1200~ ish players, i'm not worried about a random pubber cheating. If on the other hand there were competitive players cheating, than I would be a little more upset. But with all the teams I have played against, I can't say that I suspect anyone. People need to get off of their high horse and realize there will always be players who will always be far better than they are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> See I get this, the issue is I can accept people being better but there's a line between better and can I have my face back please as you did move that only the worlds luckiest person could ever get away with or have happen consistently like that. Such as turning to face a cloaked stationary skulk on a wall who is also still using the stealth movement to mask any twitch movement noise and nailing them clean on across the room.
I've seen 3 hackers in my time so far which is pretty good going as I'm a magnet for them.
1 was banned five minutes in by the admin for wallhacks and the worst case of obvious aimbot ever (The guy was shooting at the walls and locations where vents went with enemies hiding in them, as in not shooting the opening but where in the vent the person was despite the whole "there's a wall there so you can't hit them" issue. He then attempted to DDos the server (Yeh kind of extreme but the server didn't go down and most of the time was everyone in chat laughing about it going on)
1 was called for an aimbot and after a fair debate was removed after 3 people one of which was an admin watched him on spectator vision do "the aim bot flick" a 180 turn to perfectly face a target.
1 had nothing done to him and willingly admitted it because at the time there were no admins or mods on the server and his reaction was "Yeh well its fair because you guys could get the hacks too its not my fault people are too dumb to want to win"
<!--quoteo(post=2046390:date=Dec 15 2012, 11:50 PM:name=Roobubba)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Roobubba @ Dec 15 2012, 11:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046390"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You 'have to ban' their friend who wants to know why you banned someone who wasn't hacking?
I'm just glad I'm not on the same continent as your server, you sound like a total troll admin to me!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its not so much about banning them for being the friend having moderated places before some people just create a pain. 5 minutes of "but he wasn't" is about enough but I can see why you'd bann them if they're on the server and 30 minutes later all that's coming through is abuse / refusal to play / threats against the server. Its just not enjoyable for people to have some one on their team refusing to play all the time or deliberately costing them the match in any number of ways.
its the Admins party and while everyone can walk out if its not fun the admin have to work to some extend to make sure no-one does try to spoil the fun
<!--quoteo(post=2046392:date=Dec 15 2012, 11:52 PM:name=Omar - The Wire)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Omar - The Wire @ Dec 15 2012, 11:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046392"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Got it. So we should get rid of the new players going 0 - 17 as they're bringing the average down.
There isn't an eyeroll hard enough to express how stupid of a position that is to take.
I'll resort to the perfectly cast Liz Lemon to try and express it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well there are pretty much servers for either. Ok at present it doesn't force it but when you go onto a rookie server you don't expect to have one side as 5 green rookies and the other and a clan with something like FGR tags. Hence the analogy that was used about Hockey players.
Again admins have to make sure its fun and while you can say how unfair it is to kick good players if there's not good players going on both side its not creating a fun game, there are plenty of servers out there that aren't designed for rookie players / newer player so there's no legitimate reason for highly organised teams to have to go on a rookie server other than simply making a pain of themselves.
having not played the server in question I should say I have no idea what kind of admin he is but I do get where he is coming from to an extent.
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If only it worked that way :(. The average player would likely have a difficult time differentiating between a legitimately good player and a hacker (just like in every single other FPS game), unless he's using clear rage settings on the hack.
Unfortunately the idiot who's part of the certain aimbot dev team tends to play the games a bit with the aimbot on to create youtube montages to showcase how good it is before its released. Hence seeing him about and I expect others will see him about too, you'll know its him.
yeah, there are some ridiculous aimers out there.
*edit* same guy getting dominated by garpy.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W01lj56B9aM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W01lj56B9aM</a>
No game is free of hacks. Its just an unfortunate issue. If something seems to good to be true ask about it / Ask your team if they're noticing something too.
I have no doubt there are people hacking in this game, at present though they are rare due to good admins mostly and the lack of availability of the mods / hacks
yeah, there are some ridiculous aimers out there.
*edit* same guy getting dominated by garpy.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W01lj56B9aM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W01lj56B9aM</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just gained a lot of respect for HLDM. I don't think I've ever seen an FPS with such a high requirement for density of input.
but he was not as good as garpy.
killling by sound is totally doable due to the fact that stuff has fixed spawn points. Even I could always hear some1 picking up that lmg on crossfire. Hence a really skilled player could even differentiate alot of weapon pick ups.
but he was not as good as garpy.
killling by sound is totally doable due to the fact that stuff has fixed spawn points. Even I could always hear some1 picking up that lmg on crossfire. Hence a really skilled player could even differentiate alot of weapon pick ups.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
At my prime in NS I could pick out the approximate location of skulks through walls, but I doubt even close to well enough to actually hit them with a wall penetrating weapon, although I guess if it's worth practicing, you can even get better at that.
I was going to say to Dwavenhobble's point of lucky ambushes. I would be called on that a lot in NS, it's because people don't realize how much noise they make through walls. Most of the time before I'd go into a room I'd know exactly where to look for ambushers, where they were and where they were not, because they gave up their position as I was approaching with stutter steps before they even knew I was on my way there.
Or you could play CS and hear people running on the other side of the wall and shoot them to practice, it isn't difficult.
Anyway, even if there was someone cheawting, it really doesn't matter.. with 1200~ ish players, i'm not worried about a random pubber cheating. If on the other hand there were competitive players cheating, than I would be a little more upset. But with all the teams I have played against, I can't say that I suspect anyone. People need to get off of their high horse and realize there will always be players who will always be far better than they are.
I run Victurus 24 Man server, I have banned maybe 10-20 players total for hacks, the other 100+ bans are for players who troll, flame, or are just being jerks to people.
With the tools admins currently have, 3rd person spec mode, with no 1st person available, hopefully like me everyone is doing the best they can to make sure the people they ban are hackers. Aimbot is rare, because its hard to setup and its buggy currently. Wallhacks are common, because its a simple DLL injector, and its undetectable at the moment.
Any admin of a popular server should be doing their due research on hacks, so that they know whats out there, how they are being used, how they work, and what they can look for in order to correctly identify a hacker from a skilled or lucky player.
I hate having to ban people, one because then there is always some friend on the server who starts ranting how "he wasn't a hacker, cause I am sitting next to him and i can see his screen and blah bah blah." This sucks cause then I usually have to ban another person. And case yall didn't know, banning isn't simple, specially when I am trying to play!
I have to go sit in spectator mode for like 20 minutes.. follow the person, watch for MULTIPLE instances of something, to make sure they arnt getting lucky, and then i have to sv_status.. find their id.. sv_ban id.. and then hopefully I get to play again, by this time my team is losing... yata yata yata.. the life of a admin.
But if its helps keep my server clean of hacks, so that everyone can better enjoy their stay, then I will spend my time in spectator.
Oh and BTW for the... special kids.. who say I just don't have skill so I ban people.. I am currently ranked #1 on NS2stats.org out of the 42,020 current players listed on it. So um.. no.. im not a unskilled rager, thanks anyway.
With all that said, if you hack.. stay away from my server, i will catch you. If you want to play in a friendly, as hack free as we can make it server.. come join us!
24 Man Pub Server: 69.162.86.2:14440 (Victurus Online Gaming Guild - NS2 - Dallas)
Steam Group: <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/groups/victurus" target="_blank">http://steamcommunity.com/groups/victurus</a>
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-Ecks
Leader of Victurus
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. :3
The chances of my friends or I not running into a single hacker, while this guy has 10+, is so extremely unlikely with how small the player base. Has a known competent player actually reported a person hacking yet? (actual question, not being sarcastic this time)
I would never determine someones skill through ns2stats. It's nice to see what class a person plays, and a few of the numbers but besides that, I wouldn't take much of it into account.
The chances of my friends or I not running into a single hacker, while this guy has 10+, is so extremely unlikely with how small the player base. Has a known competent player actually reported a person hacking yet? (actual question, not being sarcastic this time)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone that gets to the random portal before me is a hacker!
Which is true. If you have a marine going 50 and 0, and he is not hacking, he is almost certainly making the game unplayable for others. It's like putting a pro hockey player on a minor hockey team. No contest.
So I really don't think it matters. If a person is honestly not hacking, if they are *that* good, then they should wear any bans they get as badges of honor.
You 'have to ban' their friend who wants to know why you banned someone who wasn't hacking?
I'm just glad I'm not on the same continent as your server, you sound like a total troll admin to me!
Which is true. If you have a marine going 50 and 0, and he is not hacking, he is almost certainly making the game unplayable for others. It's like putting a pro hockey player on a minor hockey team. No contest.
So I really don't think it matters. If a person is honestly not hacking, if they are *that* good, then they should wear any bans they get as badges of honor.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Got it. So we should get rid of the new players going 0 - 17 as they're bringing the average down.
There isn't an eyeroll hard enough to express how stupid of a position that is to take.
I'll resort to the perfectly cast Liz Lemon to try and express it.
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I run Victurus 24 Man server, I have banned maybe 10-20 players total for hacks, the other 100+ bans are for players who troll, flame, or are just being jerks to people.
With the tools admins currently have, 3rd person spec mode, with no 1st person available, hopefully like me everyone is doing the best they can to make sure the people they ban are hackers. Aimbot is rare, because its hard to setup and its buggy currently. Wallhacks are common, because its a simple DLL injector, and its undetectable at the moment.
Any admin of a popular server should be doing their due research on hacks, so that they know whats out there, how they are being used, how they work, and what they can look for in order to correctly identify a hacker from a skilled or lucky player.
I hate having to ban people, one because then there is always some friend on the server who starts ranting how "he wasn't a hacker, cause I am sitting next to him and i can see his screen and blah bah blah." This sucks cause then I usually have to ban another person. And case yall didn't know, banning isn't simple, specially when I am trying to play!
I have to go sit in spectator mode for like 20 minutes.. follow the person, watch for MULTIPLE instances of something, to make sure they arnt getting lucky, and then i have to sv_status.. find their id.. sv_ban id.. and then hopefully I get to play again, by this time my team is losing... yata yata yata.. the life of a admin.
But if its helps keep my server clean of hacks, so that everyone can better enjoy their stay, then I will spend my time in spectator.
Oh and BTW for the... special kids.. who say I just don't have skill so I ban people.. I am currently ranked #1 on NS2stats.org out of the 42,020 current players listed on it. So um.. no.. im not a unskilled rager, thanks anyway.
With all that said, if you hack.. stay away from my server, i will catch you. If you want to play in a friendly, as hack free as we can make it server.. come join us!
24 Man Pub Server: 69.162.86.2:14440 (Victurus Online Gaming Guild - NS2 - Dallas)
Steam Group: <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/groups/victurus" target="_blank">http://steamcommunity.com/groups/victurus</a>
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-Ecks
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So, figuring that your server is the type to ban legitimately good players relatively quickly, I decided to hop on tonight.
What ended up getting me banned? Shooting a drifter, and hitting a skulk in the process. Immediately accused of DLL injecting, and banned from the server.
Pretty hilarious. Especially since camo makes people 100% invisible to begin with, meaning that a DLL inject style hack wouldn't do anything.
edit: I'll note that the skulk I killed was Eckz. Apparently too stupid to see the drifter I was shooting about a foot in front of him. lolol.
I run Victurus 24 Man server, I have banned maybe 10-20 players total for hacks, the other 100+ bans are for players who troll, flame, or are just being jerks to people.
With the tools admins currently have, 3rd person spec mode, with no 1st person available, hopefully like me everyone is doing the best they can to make sure the people they ban are hackers. Aimbot is rare, because its hard to setup and its buggy currently. Wallhacks are common, because its a simple DLL injector, and its undetectable at the moment.
Any admin of a popular server should be doing their due research on hacks, so that they know whats out there, how they are being used, how they work, and what they can look for in order to correctly identify a hacker from a skilled or lucky player.
I hate having to ban people, one because then there is always some friend on the server who starts ranting how "he wasn't a hacker, cause I am sitting next to him and i can see his screen and blah bah blah." This sucks cause then I usually have to ban another person. And case yall didn't know, banning isn't simple, specially when I am trying to play!
I have to go sit in spectator mode for like 20 minutes.. follow the person, watch for MULTIPLE instances of something, to make sure they arnt getting lucky, and then i have to sv_status.. find their id.. sv_ban id.. and then hopefully I get to play again, by this time my team is losing... yata yata yata.. the life of a admin.
But if its helps keep my server clean of hacks, so that everyone can better enjoy their stay, then I will spend my time in spectator.
Oh and BTW for the... special kids.. who say I just don't have skill so I ban people.. I am currently ranked #1 on NS2stats.org out of the 42,020 current players listed on it. So um.. no.. im not a unskilled rager, thanks anyway.
With all that said, if you hack.. stay away from my server, i will catch you. If you want to play in a friendly, as hack free as we can make it server.. come join us!
24 Man Pub Server: 69.162.86.2:14440 (Victurus Online Gaming Guild - NS2 - Dallas)
Steam Group: <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/groups/victurus" target="_blank">http://steamcommunity.com/groups/victurus</a>
My Profile: <a href="http://steamcommunity.com/id/xclen" target="_blank">http://steamcommunity.com/id/xclen</a>
-Ecks
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Yay, another "anyone who is better than me is hacking" newb. We used to love your type so much in NS. Great job being good at amassing imaginary points in 24 player pubs.
It takes killing him about twice to trigger a ban. :]
Anyway, even if there was someone cheawting, it really doesn't matter.. with 1200~ ish players, i'm not worried about a random pubber cheating. If on the other hand there were competitive players cheating, than I would be a little more upset. But with all the teams I have played against, I can't say that I suspect anyone. People need to get off of their high horse and realize there will always be players who will always be far better than they are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See I get this, the issue is I can accept people being better but there's a line between better and can I have my face back please as you did move that only the worlds luckiest person could ever get away with or have happen consistently like that. Such as turning to face a cloaked stationary skulk on a wall who is also still using the stealth movement to mask any twitch movement noise and nailing them clean on across the room.
I've seen 3 hackers in my time so far which is pretty good going as I'm a magnet for them.
1 was banned five minutes in by the admin for wallhacks and the worst case of obvious aimbot ever (The guy was shooting at the walls and locations where vents went with enemies hiding in them, as in not shooting the opening but where in the vent the person was despite the whole "there's a wall there so you can't hit them" issue. He then attempted to DDos the server (Yeh kind of extreme but the server didn't go down and most of the time was everyone in chat laughing about it going on)
1 was called for an aimbot and after a fair debate was removed after 3 people one of which was an admin watched him on spectator vision do "the aim bot flick" a 180 turn to perfectly face a target.
1 had nothing done to him and willingly admitted it because at the time there were no admins or mods on the server and his reaction was "Yeh well its fair because you guys could get the hacks too its not my fault people are too dumb to want to win"
<!--quoteo(post=2046390:date=Dec 15 2012, 11:50 PM:name=Roobubba)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Roobubba @ Dec 15 2012, 11:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046390"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You 'have to ban' their friend who wants to know why you banned someone who wasn't hacking?
I'm just glad I'm not on the same continent as your server, you sound like a total troll admin to me!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its not so much about banning them for being the friend having moderated places before some people just create a pain. 5 minutes of "but he wasn't" is about enough but I can see why you'd bann them if they're on the server and 30 minutes later all that's coming through is abuse / refusal to play / threats against the server. Its just not enjoyable for people to have some one on their team refusing to play all the time or deliberately costing them the match in any number of ways.
its the Admins party and while everyone can walk out if its not fun the admin have to work to some extend to make sure no-one does try to spoil the fun
<!--quoteo(post=2046392:date=Dec 15 2012, 11:52 PM:name=Omar - The Wire)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Omar - The Wire @ Dec 15 2012, 11:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046392"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Got it. So we should get rid of the new players going 0 - 17 as they're bringing the average down.
There isn't an eyeroll hard enough to express how stupid of a position that is to take.
I'll resort to the perfectly cast Liz Lemon to try and express it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well there are pretty much servers for either. Ok at present it doesn't force it but when you go onto a rookie server you don't expect to have one side as 5 green rookies and the other and a clan with something like FGR tags.
Hence the analogy that was used about Hockey players.
Again admins have to make sure its fun and while you can say how unfair it is to kick good players if there's not good players going on both side its not creating a fun game, there are plenty of servers out there that aren't designed for rookie players / newer player so there's no legitimate reason for highly organised teams to have to go on a rookie server other than simply making a pain of themselves.
having not played the server in question I should say I have no idea what kind of admin he is but I do get where he is coming from to an extent.