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TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Not sure if easy or hard to implement</div>can the marines have a backpack, maybe some goggles on their helmet and generally more gear? if you look at DoD and other mods their models are not detailed so much as intricite. crazy talk you say? but im not saying detailed backpacks, just something to make these guys heavily laden and sort of look like movine is more of a chore than having them act bulky but be free of hinderance. or whatever.
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  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    The marines are currently at their max limit for geometry detail.  Adding any extra packs or goggles, or gear, even very non detailed ones would make the marines much higher poly then we are aiming for.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    ok, that was what i was thinking about. these are the self imposed limits, right? cuz DoD seems to be drippin in polys and that only stutters sumetimes <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    in any case they are already pretty good, beefy around the waste.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    oh god that post didnt come out right  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • ElowindElowind Join Date: 2002-03-06 Member: 279Members
    wow three posts in a row :-p
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    i never figured out how to edit with ikonboard. everyother board, yes. ikon, no.
  • Relic25Relic25 Pixel Punk Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 39Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Click the "edit" button next to your post.
  • pielemuispielemuis Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 72Members, NS1 Playtester
    I'm glad this team thinks of people with older systems, my system isn't all that great and I like what I see till now, looks like they're going at it in a very professional way, to have a much broader community. Besides all models look extremely good (have seen mods with very bad modesl) besides detail can be put in the textures and not only in the model.
  • LazysamLazysam Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 101Members
    I think i have to agree with tycho on this one, as the amrines are no way near laden heavily enough, and in fact their whole armour does not even fit the envifoment that they are to be tested in.  Should their suits not be adapataed to outer space since one never knows when such need arives. Also the suits themselves dont seem to be incorporating some of the "soon to be in use tech" such as strenght and speed enhancing servos and other such gizmos, i say add more detail half life is old as it is and so even if most people dont have great machines the majority do posses equipement which far exceedes the minimal requirements of the game
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    Besides, who the hell said the bloody marines had to be heavily laden!? Geez, We're not ALL striving to be heavy weapons guys or ####### armies of one. Each marine should carry what they need, nothing more. It's not like the TSA has an unlimited slush fund. Besides, the Marines would look lame as hell with goggles and a backpack. I think the staff did fine with them, except for the exposed neck and lower mandibles, and they don't need much of any change. Now go into NSTR2 and play airplanes.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    not really goggles, just sort of clear glasses things for the splatter <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> heck, ive got a voodoo 3 (STOP LAUGHING! I HATE ALL OF YOU&#33<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> and i want heavy models. hehe. i still respect the teams commitment tho.
  • LazysamLazysam Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 101Members
    jedisare do you ever think about what you post, marines only need to carry what they need, talk to monseur evil he is an actuall marine ask him how much does the stuff he only needs weight (hint about 50 lbs or so, stuffed in a BACK PACK) a combat marine needs a little more than a pistol and a rifle, if they are to survive in a combat situation, so yeah beef up the marine give them stuff like googles, gloves, rebreather masks, medkits, food, croud controll foam grenades, ammo, flares, and all the other nifty stuff marines tend to carry around,
  • pielemuispielemuis Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 72Members, NS1 Playtester
    OMG no, the model is fine as it is!
    No backpack, nog goggles, you people want to turn this mod in ####### CS (don't get me wrong I like CS, but I also like diversity)...
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lazysam+Mar. 29 2002,10:32--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Lazysam @ Mar. 29 2002,10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->jedisare do you ever think about what you post, marines only need to carry what they need, talk to monseur evil he is an actuall marine ask him how much does the stuff he only needs weight (hint about 50 lbs or so, stuffed in a BACK PACK) a combat marine needs a little more than a pistol and a rifle, if they are to survive in a combat situation, so yeah beef up the marine give them stuff like googles, gloves, rebreather masks, medkits, food, croud controll foam grenades, ammo, flares, and all the other nifty stuff marines tend to carry around,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes, I do, and apparently, we can't say the same about you.

    Hint here, smart guy. Most of these missions would NOT last for days/years like a real marine's mission may. The marines do not need climate-related clothing, rations, water, or any of that crap. They're teleported in through warp gates and all they need is their sidearm, their rifle, and their armor. These missions are skirmishes, NOT long, drawn-out warfare. They go in to fight the aliens and force them out of the space craft. That's it. They do not need a whole crapload of fancy gear to get the job done, nor do they have the funding for it. They do not need huge mechs, nor all-power weapontry. They bring ONLY what they need for the mission, and I highly doubt they'll need goggles when they have a face-visor, and I doubt they need a backpack to carry anything, as they do not require rations or the ilk, since they do NO TRAVELING except through the warp gates to and from HQ. There is no reason for them to heavily laden themselves with a backpack AND Goggles? WTF would they be for? The Face visor works just fine. They won't need rebreathers, because it's NOT the swimming olympics, they can just attach grenades to a belt or their armor, and flares can be stashed either in a pocket, or attached to a belt. The only thing I see in your post that is even useful is the gloves...and as for them, I believe they already have them.

    Thank you, tip bob on your way out.

    P.s. I forgot to mention, Learn how to spell, wanker. And next time, make sure you're spelling the person's name right before you try to insult them.
  • LazysamLazysam Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 101Members
    Firstly the marines are not on skirmishes but rather exploratory missions, and since they do not know what they would meet out there I do believe that they would take extra gear as a precaution because the DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GONA MEET,

    Secondly if they were going in for skirmishes rather than drawn out battles why would they bring resource collectors and siege turrets along,

    Finally I do not care to insult you because I’m not have the immature impulses of a 14 year old which are apparent in your behavior on these forums, I do
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lazysam+Mar. 29 2002,11:26--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Lazysam @ Mar. 29 2002,11:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firstly the marines are not on skirmishes but rather exploratory missions, and since they do not know what they would meet out there I do believe that they would take extra gear as a precaution because the DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GONA MEET,

    Secondly if they were going in for skirmishes rather than drawn out battles why would they bring resource collectors and siege turrets along,

    Finally I do not care to insult you because I’m not have the immature impulses of a 14 year old which are apparent in your behavior on these forums, I do<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    okay, firstly, let me start off with what I've been saying. Learn to spell simple words. Use punctuation, use proper grammer.

    Now, as for the Marines, They're not exploring as much as exterminating an alien disease. The aliens are a pest that must be exterminated, but they do not have much funding, so they bring only what they have, their guns, their armor. Nothing more, nothing less. I doubt the games will last for more than half an hour. They're not meant to be long, drawn out wars. The Resource collectors and their ilk are there merely to bring in short term money for them to fund the purchase of more equipment, nothing more, nothing less. And as for sentry turrents, what military group do you know that DOESN"T secure their camp as good as they can, no matter how long or short of a time they'll be spending there?
  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    Cool it, guys.  

    The marine model is going to stay the way it is, at least for the first release.  The texture is going to have some tweaking done to it, that's about it.  No goggles, no packs of stuff, no extra pairs of socks and underwear.  

    End of discussion.
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    *tries to pet Squeel, but has to pull hand back from gnashing jaws and turns to flee from the flyer*
  • LazysamLazysam Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 101Members
    we can still dream can't we?
  • ThrillKill1ThrillKill1 Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 136Members
    From what I've seen in terms of modeling, the NS team has done a fantastic job already. I say we leave the creative aspect of model development to them. I trust them and their judgement.

    And for the love of crap, you two, stop fighting. It's like watching junior high school kids argueing over why Spider-Man is cooler then Superman.

    (but we all know Spider-Man is just the best)  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--InterFect0r+Mar. 29 2002,10:45--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (InterFect0r @ Mar. 29 2002,10:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->OMG no, the model is fine as it is!
    No backpack, nog goggles, you people want to turn this mod in ####### CS (don't get me wrong I like CS, but I also like diversity)...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    nobody in CS wears backpacks. or goggles. the marines would look less like CS models WITH backpacks. please stop posting a "itll be CS" without thinking.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    and spiderman is better.
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    Does it matter? they're lovers. They love their spandex and they love each other in their spandex. I hate them both equaly...and by that I mean I wish to put an armor-peircing, Kryptonite-covered slug between both their eyes.

    Yeah, Superman is invulnerable to bullets..but lets see how he measures up to an armor-peircing, kryptonite covered bullet..and lets see spidy's spider sense save him from a round traveling faster than he can blink from a mile away.
  • LazysamLazysam Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 101Members
    Jedisar why do you insist on contradicting yourself and continually believing that you make sense, first you say that the marines will only bring the most BASIC of their equipment since they will only be there for a limited amount of time, then you argue that all marines do everything to secure their camp no matter how short or long their stay might be!
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    You know, man, if you keep insulting people and reviving topics that the staff have already answered, you might be the one being banned, not me. I think you should really get some ice to cool down and just sit back for a bit.
  • ThrillKill1ThrillKill1 Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 136Members
    Err... the super hero thing wasn't exactly my point, Jed... O_o

    Anyhoo, give it a rest Lazy. I've been wathing this conflict since it started and it's pretty apparent who started it. Just like... drink some tea... or... meditate... or... something.

    ... yeah.
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    Well... ok, for cinematic realism, yeah, I agree. But there simply isn't any more room on the model for more polygons and stuff. They can't add any more to the model at all, without taking away somewhere else.
  • pielemuispielemuis Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 72Members, NS1 Playtester
    no backpack in CS?
    well what is the terror wearing when he has the bomb?
    Exactly a ####### backpack !
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    Full of explosives..which leaves me wishing that you could shoot the backpack and make the C4 explode. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->


    I want my Terrorist Bits breakfast...
  • Spyder_MonkeySpyder_Monkey Vampire-Ninja-Monkey Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 8Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Alright... I don't honestly care if you write nasty e-mails back and forth to each other, but for the love of GOD take it outside these forums. Quit taking shots at each other... it's perfectly possible for you two to contribute to the community and not run into each other ever again.

    Getting back to the topic at hand...

    I'm not really sure if it's such a good idea to have shots make the backpack in CS explode. If you're close enough to shoot it, you're going to fry with the rest of them. Also, I believe the backpack is C4... I'm not a demolitions expert, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe C4 is detonated by an electrical charge. You could shoot it all day, but I doubt it would do much. Anyone tried it? <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->



    <!--EDIT|Spyder Monkey|Mar. 30 2002,11:14-->
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