Hit Registration

Kouji_San

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On it! Wait, you're trying to trick me!!! :P

Mendasp

I found this but I don't know if it's a problem with the command or the actual problem...

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Max

<!--quoteo(post=2000030:date=Oct 29 2012, 11:36 AM:name=Mendasp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mendasp @ Oct 29 2012, 11:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000030"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I found this but I don't know if it's a problem with the command or the actual problem...

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That is a problem with the command.

Davil

<!--quoteo(post=2000030:date=Oct 29 2012, 11:36 AM:name=Mendasp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mendasp @ Oct 29 2012, 11:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000030"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I found this but I don't know if it's a problem with the command or the actual problem...

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That is really interesting, it's actually right about where people are saying they are getting hits.

Dghelneshi

<!--quoteo(post=2000036:date=Oct 29 2012, 07:44 PM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Oct 29 2012, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000036"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is really interesting, it's actually right about where people are saying they are getting hits.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As Max said, this is a problem with the command. The discrepancy between model and hitbox is also only that severe because you have around 5-10fps using that command. If you look in the right direction and have like 30fps, it gets much better.

Max

We have a pretty good idea of what might be happening.

Dghelneshi

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<3 !!!
Even a might is enough. Thanks for posting.

Xarius

Great to hear you guys are on top of things :)

VoodooHex

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Praise Jesus!

Sewlek

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ill mail one

Superfly

The Dev's are busy right now... :)

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VeNeM

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w00t!

Max

We have found and fixed the problem. It's not a new problem in 225, but the changes in 225 made the problem more pronounced.

Industry

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\o/ huzzah!

Wilson

Another one bites the dust..

Xarius

Does this mean hit reg in 226 or 1.0 will be even better than in 223/224?. Would be amazing!

Fappuchino

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I'm so sorry.

weezl

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\0/ :D

VeNeM

w00t glancing bullet fire!














i kid i kid

moultano

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Any details for the curious? :)

AurOn2

Hitreg is definately broken
Some of the best aussie players have been missing onehitshotgunkills on my fade more often then not.
I've been getting massive kdr as of late, even vurses said pr0feshurnels.
Quite weird.

ZycaR

<!--quoteo(post=2000154:date=Oct 29 2012, 03:52 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Oct 29 2012, 03:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000154"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We have found and fixed the problem. It's not a new problem in 225, but the changes in 225 made the problem more pronounced.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol .. once you make game on decent FPS (200) it shows is hit-reg weakness :D

I hope for early build / patch!!! today/? tmrw? ... I'll be happy for only this fix...

TychoCelchuuu

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<a href="https://twitter.com/NS2/status/263029851404005376" target="_blank">Slightly more info here</a>, which is a tweet that says there was a 1 frame difference between what we saw and what we could hit.

Davil

Yea makes sense, timing is usually done by counting time between frame renders so 1 frame can be a big deal.

dushan

It was a simple update order issue - the view angles were updated after the gun was fired. This meant that every shot was using last frame's angle - making it super tricky to hit fast moving targets as your tracking was always a frame off. We found few other minor issues that will get fixed after 1.0 as they're a bit risky and the error is much smaller.

Dghelneshi

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Hah. I thought it could be something like that but didn't post it. Nice catch.

Sint

I guess this is solved now, well anyway if someone wants to see the issue it can be seen on the video:

Was kinda interested on how build 225 hit registration worked, so recorded some material and put together some slomo clips: (recorded @60 fps, not a demo playback)

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unkind

wow. lol

ZycaR

what I understand so far, when you do not turn around you can hit aliens ... when you are moving mouse, you hit nothing?

Kasperle

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Was kinda interested on how build 225 hit registration worked, so recorded some material and put together some slomo clips: (recorded @60 fps, not a demo playback)

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9min40sek: I think this skulk was allready dead :D. Pink Walter shot it with the pistol.