ENSL Natural Selection 2 BETA Night Cup!

nadyli

<div class="IPBDescription">This weekend</div>Hello guys!

<i>We at <a href="http://ensl.org" target="_blank">ENSL.org</a> are hosting Night Cup for you guys this weekend! </i>

Now that the new patch (217) made the game much more enjoyable we're happy to announce the "first" (yeah hopefully noone will remember the last failed one, sigh summer) Natural Selection 2 Beta Night Cup! The cup will be held this weekend (8.-9.), Saturday to Sunday. Matches will be played from 18.00CET Saturday up until we have 2 finalists and the "grand" final will be at Sunday 18.00CET.

For more info or if you have any questions please visit our <a href="http://ensl.org" target="_blank">site</a> or pm me.



<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=120706&view=findpost&p=1973782" target="_blank"><b>Update about the cup</b></a>

rantology

I heard it was going to be played on euro servers, c/d?

Locklear

If that is true. (EU servers only) Count Nexzil out.

Skuggan

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This is not correct.

rantology

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Forgive me then! How will the servers be handled? marine rounds on native servers?

nadyli

<!--quoteo(post=1972174:date=Sep 5 2012, 11:35 PM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Sep 5 2012, 11:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972174"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Forgive me then! How will the servers be handled? marine rounds on native servers?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yes. Each teams marine round will be on a server they prefer.

Kasperle

Does it mean, that the matches will be played on american servers and euro servers aswell ?

nadyli

For example:

Team USA plays marines first so they get to choose the server for the first round. Next round team EU plays on marines and gets to choose the server they prefer. So you switch the server between rounds.

EgoGamer

Have you got casters lined up to stream the matches by any chance? =]

Ryne

Let me know if you need someone to stream! Ill be free most of the times listed

bLink`

They just need a server in the atlantic ocean lol. Because if the team choose their own server, they have the advantage of pings especially with NA players & EU players.

Skuggan

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It will have to be played on a lan for it to be Pr0CPLshiet. But its not its a fun cup to try to get some competation going in this competative community.

Mendasp

Gah, I'm setting up a new clan but we won't have enough active players in time for this :(

fanatic

<!--quoteo(post=1972192:date=Sep 5 2012, 09:53 PM:name=nadyli)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nadyli @ Sep 5 2012, 09:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972192"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes. Each teams marine round will be on a server they prefer.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is fair, but also a recipe for endless draws in a cup format. Need some sort of tie breaker rule, especially in a weekend cup like this.

Easy and relatively fair solution: Make the standard format (except for the final) best of three rounds. If the sides are tied 1-1, one more round will be played on the same map. The winner of a coin flip gets to decide between picking the server or picking sides. The loser of the coin flip gets whichever option is left (For example; team USA wins the coin flip and decides to play on <x US server>. Team EU then decides that they will play as marines).

nadyli

<!--quoteo(post=1972786:date=Sep 6 2012, 05:42 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Sep 6 2012, 05:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972786"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is fair, but also a recipe for endless draws in a cup format. Need some sort of tie breaker rule, especially in a weekend cup like this.

Easy and relatively fair solution: Make the standard format (except for the final) best of three rounds. If the sides are tied 1-1, one more round will be played on the same map. The winner of a coin flip gets to decide between picking the server or picking sides. The loser of the coin flip gets whichever option is left (For example; team USA wins the coin flip and decides to play on <x US server>. Team EU then decides that they will play as marines).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This is exactly what we currently have except map changes to the next. I guess it would be better to just replay the current map.

GORGEous

Coin flips and odd-number of games are such a poor way to play NS2. It's an a-symmetric game where the competitiveness is beholden to playing both factions. This is akin to a team deciding wether to defend or attack only in TF2 payload or playing just survivors in L4D. Unfortunately, this is the best way to break ties in time-crunched elimination tournaments.

I think a better solution is to simply play round robin or league format and call a tie just that. A tie. If you have 5 teams, the top team might go 4-0-0 or 3-0-1 where the second team might go 3-0-1 or 2-0-2. In this case where there is a tie for first place, you can have those two teams play multiple games to determine the champion. Say 6 matches and if they are still tied 3-3, then follow the coin flip procedure described above. This way you can still have shorter tournaments and minimize the impact of coin-flip-victories and/or server imbalances (ie 2 games on US server, 1 on euro).

In a rr or league format with n teams, each team would play 2*(n-1) halves or simply n-1 matches. If you have 6-8 teams signed up, this would only be 5-7 matches and would result in everyone getting to play each other. A lower skilled team wouldn't have to worry about getting matched up versus arc and getting knocked out in the first round without a chance to play any other teams who they'd be able to compete with.

sherpa

Keep it sensible. In NS1 I knew some cheeky scamps who tried to get some cross-Atlantic games played on US West for their 'home' matches, which drew a stalemate as the Euros would in turn demand their game to be played in Finland.

US East (NY?) and Euro West (UK/Holland?).

paella

Not that I'll be playing but: round robin with ties being ties seems like a good solution.

swalk

3 teams signed up. Failcup is fail :x again..
Next time, I think you should make a more detailed post, with specific rulesets to be followed.
Also, you should announce 2-3 weeks in advance, instead of one week. More teams might sign up with the extra time.
And in general I don't think this topic made it very appealing.
I also believe you could have done more than this topic to advertise for it.
Ban this admin. ;-)

Wilson

I think it's just because of the state of the game atm. Are there even more than 3 teams active?

Koruyo

There are more than 3 teams active, but for some reason this other continent is lazy.

Guess they rather want to see the small competitive community do nothing, than have some fun? :P




edit: also ensl isnt userfriendly at all, if it didnt exsist already i wouldnt have a single idea where to create a team and how to sign up :X (im happy that i at least found out where to see the open contest... tried to find it under night cubs, other or ensl in the sub menu first... the way the nav works makes it counter-intuitive to click one the "main link" => contests)

xDragon

Gonna be honest, 218 has some things that get pretty annoying after a couple games, let alone playing through a nightcup/crapcup thing..

fanatic

<!--quoteo(post=1973605:date=Sep 7 2012, 06:11 PM:name=Wilson)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wilson @ Sep 7 2012, 06:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1973605"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think it's just because of the state of the game atm. Are there even more than 3 teams active?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If we're being generous, there are five euro teams and maybe the same amount of american teams. Out of those, only four are actually active though.

fanatic

d o u b l e p o s t

Scrajm

There are alot more teams.

Arc, duplex, ex, nxzl, inv, all in, cyd, mr, rwd, i.f, finnstack, 156, sr, rev, t^, 420, hbz.

Those who signed are: arc, duplex, finnstack.

Those who are active (we played them recently) and did not sign are:
ex, nxzl, all in, cyd, mr, rwd. I also think inv are somewhat active.

I think at least one of these could have signed. Sotg might not be top, but its weird that these teams regurarly play pcws, but refuses to play NC.

Gadx

I am pretty sure people are just tired of the game being one sided. That used to be okay because you just kept that in mind but now its tiresome. After about 2 scrims, it is no longer fun to play honestly.

fanatic

<!--quoteo(post=1973634:date=Sep 7 2012, 08:03 PM:name=Scrajm)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scrajm @ Sep 7 2012, 08:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1973634"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Those who are active<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some of those teams are active in the same sense that my grandfather is an active 83 year old...

nadyli

There are only 4 active teams, and we got 3 of the signed up. I guess it's pretty much useless to even try to host a NC currently so I'll just focus my efforts on Dota 2 then. :/ (this cup will still happen tho)

--EDIT--
I guess nearly everything worked out afterall.

Katana-

i think part of the problem was the short notice... wasn't this announced only 1 week ago?

Bacillus

I think regular tourneys might gather some momentum, but I don't know whether it should wait for the launch at least. A lot of people are hopefully waiting for that before going active. Obviously some small tournaments before that wouldn't hurt, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort for the teams and organizers.

fanatic

<!--quoteo(post=1973692:date=Sep 7 2012, 10:14 PM:name=Katana-)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katana- @ Sep 7 2012, 10:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1973692"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i think part of the problem was the short notice... wasn't this announced only 1 week ago?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If teams need more than a week to sign up, they're not going to actually play anyway.