New PC Build: i5 2500k or FX-8150?

DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
edited May 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Post your NS2 benchmarks, and help me decide.</div><!--sizeo:4--><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><!--coloro:#FFFF00--><span style="color:#FFFF00"><!--/coloro--><b>UPDATE: Thank you to everyone for all your input.

I just submitted my order on Newegg. I went a little crazy and ordered an i7 2600k. I know I'll be satisfied with this choice.

Again, thank you for all your input!

Cheers,
Cody</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

Hey everyone,

I'm building a new gaming rig next month, because I can't stand 20 FPS on "Ridiculously Awful" anymore with my AMD 5000+ Dual Core. Does anyone have benchmarks for NS2 using either an i5 2500k or an FX-8150?

Here's some other info on my build:

GPU: Geforce GTX 480 1.5GB
HDD: 120GB Mushkin Chronos SSD
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600 G.Skill Ripjaws X
PSU: 850 Watt Continuous
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit

What kind of FPS can I expect with this new build? What are your benchmarks and PC specs? I'd really love to see some FX-8150 benchmarks on NS2. Anyone have this chip?

Cheers,
Cody
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  • DJPenguinDJPenguin Useless Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18538Members
    edited May 2012
    the 2500k and 2600k brothers are still the reigning CPU champs. using a a 2600k w/ 560ti and 8 gig ram and getting silky smooth gameplay. most of the time.
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  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1938793:date=May 24 2012, 10:21 PM:name=DJPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DJPenguin @ May 24 2012, 10:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938793"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the 2500k and 2600k brothers are still the reigning CPU champs. using a a 2600k w/ 560ti and 8 gig ram and getting silky smooth gameplay. most of the time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's good to hear. Any idea what kind of FPS you're getting on average? (Just curious about the numbers.)

    Does NS2 make use of the i7's ability to hyperthread? I can't really afford $300 right now for a 2600k. I might save up if I know that NS2 will favor an i7 over an i5, though.

    Cheers,
    Cody
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  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    Use corsair water cooler for like 60 bucks and OC that proc a little bit. That plus the 8 gb of ddr3 @ 1600 will do the trick. (spring for a 570 gtx if you can, its worth it, and is going down in price as the new line is just hitting)
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  • Omega_K2Omega_K2 Join Date: 2011-12-25 Member: 139013Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    The more powerful a CPU per core is, the better NS2 will run. Currently, it uses multicore CPUS extremely poorly, so even a 4 core is a waste and going for the AMD 6 cores etc isn't going to get you anything. The intel cpus have a much better performance per core - basically that is why intel runs better right now.
    Simiarily, hyperthreading won't really give you benefits.

    Also, make sure people tell their FPS in diffrent situation, eg gamestart, 6v6 on a full map, 8v8 on a full map (onos, jp, infestation everywhere etc).... and don't just say "it runs fine"
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  • DJPenguinDJPenguin Useless Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18538Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1938794:date=May 25 2012, 12:25 AM:name=DarkATi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DarkATi @ May 25 2012, 12:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938794"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's good to hear. Any idea what kind of FPS you're getting on average? (Just curious about the numbers.)

    Does NS2 make use of the i7's ability to hyperthread? I can't really afford $300 right now for a 2600k. I might save up if I know that NS2 will favor an i7 over an i5, though.

    Cheers,
    Cody<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    in worst case situations, 30-40 fps range (or lower if it's something absolutely ridiculous like structure spam). otherwise, around the 50-60 fps range on a 16 player server.

    2500k works just as well as the 2600k as far as gaming purposes go. and no, games don't make use of hyperthreading. the only difference between the two gaming wise is the 2600k has a little more raw power in it's cores.
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  • DrummerDrummer Join Date: 2004-02-18 Member: 26654Members
    not just in ns2, but most games in general will not go much faster on a i7 than they do on an i5. same thing with amd, dont look at a fx-8xxx, look at the fx-4xxx for better overclocking ability. but the i5 still blows all of amd out of the water ATM, and thats coming from an AMD fan with a phenom II x3 BE @ 3.4 :P
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  • Squirreli_Squirreli_ Join Date: 2012-04-25 Member: 151046Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited May 2012
    The i5 2500k and i7 2600k are so ridiculously easy to overclock, that getting a 60$-70$ cooler to replace the stock one is basically auto-include. Both those cores go to 4,5ghz without any serious tweaking... You just go into the graphical BIOS and up the multiplier to 45. Done, and you just increased CPU power by at least 30%. If you want more power, then you might have to tweak some other settings too, but on that one setting alone, boom, +30% ;)

    (Edit: i7 2600k @ 4,5ghz here, Noctua NH-U9B SE2 as a cooler)
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  • ObraxisObraxis Subnautica Animator & Generalist, NS2 Person Join Date: 2004-07-24 Member: 30071Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    For NS2, go with the i5 or i7. You wont regret it. Great @ Stock, monsters once overclocked. :-)
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  • ComstedtComstedt Join Date: 2008-02-04 Member: 63576Members
    edited May 2012
    For gaming definately the 2500 or 2600k. The 2500k is a really good CPU, get a cheap Hyper 212+ cooler and youll easily get it up to atleast 4.2 ghz.

    Run mine on 4.5 ghz with NH-D14 cooler,
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  • BloodyIronBloodyIron Join Date: 2009-11-09 Member: 69321Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Get an i7, stop messing around. Also 850w is overkill, get a 750w MODULAR PSU. Also if you're getting a "new" system, don't get something as old as a 480. If you're budget conscious get: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102967" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102967</a>

    If not, get: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161411" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814161411</a> or <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150608" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814150608</a>

    Word of the wise, you always want your GPU to exhaust hot hair out of the case, instead of leaving it in the case. You can tell if this happens by how the cooling system is designed.
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  • ObraxisObraxis Subnautica Animator & Generalist, NS2 Person Join Date: 2004-07-24 Member: 30071Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    Speaking personally here, I see more graphical issues with NS2 with AMD/ATi chips than I do with Nvidia.
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  • BloodyIronBloodyIron Join Date: 2009-11-09 Member: 69321Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Such as?

    <!--quoteo(post=1938852:date=May 25 2012, 07:10 AM:name=Obraxis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Obraxis @ May 25 2012, 07:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938852"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Speaking personally here, I see more graphical issues with NS2 with AMD/ATi chips than I do with Nvidia.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  • bEEbbEEb Join Date: 2012-03-24 Member: 149317Members, NS2 Map Tester
    edited May 2012
    I dont know what your budget is but a Hyper 212 EVO heatsink will do a fantastic job cooling your i5 (best bang for your buck currently) no problem and its a <u>third</u> of the price of the NH-D14. Of course the Noctua cooler is superior but for your purposes a Hyper 212 is sufficient for cooling an SB chip.

    Also the case you are using is important as well if you are building a gaming rig. What Motherboard do you have in mind? Whats your budget for the entire rig?

    One more thing. 650w is plenty. 850w isnt needed even with a big OC. Just be sure its 80 plus certified. Here is an example of a really good PSU on a budget. This one is modular so its slightly more expensive :

    <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817139031</a>

    bEEb
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  • World ConstructWorld Construct Join Date: 2012-03-29 Member: 149616Members
    edited May 2012
    <b><u>Power Supply</u></b>
    Everything everyone else is telling you is pretty much spot-on, except for the power supply thing. Overcompensate, get a bigger PSU than you think you will need, even for upgrades. Most people, even with the plentiful internet calculators, seem to misunderstand the nature of the power requirements that most systems have. A surprising amount of the problems that are posted in forums across the internet related to game/application/driver crashes are related to that computer not having enough continuous available power.

    In the end, get an 850 W "overkill" PSU and don't look back. Modular is definitely the way to go, and I would also highly recommend an <i>Active PFC</i> power supply. Pair it with a sufficient (and active PFC compatible) UPS of at least 1500 VA and your system should run for over a decade.

    <b><u>Graphics Card</u></b>
    Is there some reason you're going with a GTX 4xx instead of the 5 series? The main reason I would advocate getting the 5 series over the 4 is that they are immensely cooler and quieter and have some decent performance gains as well. It's a whole step up, and the difference will amount to a noticeably lower ambient case temperature.

    <b><u>Operating System</u></b>
    Don't bother with Windows 7 Professional; instead get Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited May 2012
    I think you'll find this an interesting read. The i5-2500k outperforms the FX8150 in most (~90%) tests and is indeed cheaper. The i7-2600K simply outclasses the FX8150, with most multi-threading applications. While there are a few test, where the FX8150 number of cores are useful compared to both sandy bridge CPU's (most games don't use multiple cores effectively though, hard to do right for games :) )

    <a href="http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402" target="_blank">http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD...CPU-Review/1402</a>
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  • WilsonWilson Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72867Members
    Don't bother with the 2600k, I've actually seen the 2500k beating it in benchmarks for some games like SC2. Just get the i5 and make sure to overclock it with a good cooler.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited May 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1938901:date=May 25 2012, 06:29 PM:name=Wilson)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wilson @ May 25 2012, 06:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938901"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't bother with the 2600k, I've actually seen the 2500k beating it in benchmarks for some games like SC2. Just get the i5 and make sure to overclock it with a good cooler.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Probably had Hyper Threading on for the i7, it can cause performance issues in some cases (for certain games). If you turn it off, the i7 will perform slightly faster in those games. But yeah the added benefit of the i7-2600K's hyper threading option does make it nicer for multi threading stuff. That is if you need it for such things, otherwise the i5-2500K be more then enough :)
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  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited May 2012
    <b>Thanks for all the input. I think I'm going to go with the i5 2500k, mostly because it will run NS2 better :D.</b>

    Oh, and everything is already purchased except the mobo and the CPU, so I appreciate the suggestions, but I've already decided on GPU, RAM, PSU, OS, etc.

    If anyone is interested, here are a few notes on why I chose what I did for this build:

    - I get Windows 7 Professional 64 bit free from the university I attend, that is why I'm not bothering with ultimate. (Can't beat free.)

    - The GTX 480 was on sale for $250. At the time (a few months ago) the 5xx series was around $300+. I couldn't afford it. However, I think the 480 is a great card. It has more onboard memory than a GTX 570, and should perform similarily. The only cons (as mentioned) are the heat that it produces, and therefore the fan speed required to keep it cool (producing noise). These don't bother me. I am a little sad that I could get a 570 for about $260 right now on Newegg, but oh well. I've already bought the card, and I am happy with it. (Theoretical comparison between a 480 and a 570: <a href="http://www.hwcompare.com/9000/geforce-gtx-480-vs-geforce-gtx-570)" target="_blank">http://www.hwcompare.com/9000/geforce-gtx-...force-gtx-570)</a>

    - I went with a semi-modular 850w PSU, because I want to run two IDE HDDs as well as my SSD, and have enough room to overclock and perhaps run GPUs in SLI in the future. The GTX 480 is extremely power hungry (requiring 250 watts all by itself). Plus, I hadn't settled on the 2500k or the FX-8150. The 8150 is power hungry, and I wanted to be sure that I had enough power to run and even overclock it). I got a good deal on the PSU, and am very happy with it so far.

    - I also have a Hyper 212+ ready and waiting for my shiny new CPU. Say, "hello!" 4.5 Ghz.

    Cheers,
    Cody
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  • Banzai¥Banzai¥ Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143902Members, NS2 Map Tester
    Hopefully the i5 ends up running faster and more efficiently (among other quad-cores.) Still; I'd suggest it over the 8150.
    On average my phenom II 955 gets the same frame-rate as DJPenguin at the moment; it might have something to do with mine being overclocked to high-hell but I'm hoping to see further optimization.

    What's the manufacturer on that Power Supply? I have myself a used Corsair and they works wonders (Worked wonders and was about $40 less than going for brand-new :>)
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited May 2012
    Get an ASUS mobo btw, preferably a DELUXE edition, those are the best you can get (price/value/performance/reliability)

    P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 is ready for Ivy as well if you want to upgrade to that lateron (not really worth it though --> Ivy that is!)


    <b><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->DO NOT GET ASROCK OR MSI!!!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> they are quite bad quality and are known to either burn or simply stop working after a year. There should be a law against such shoddy products!
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  • bEEbbEEb Join Date: 2012-03-24 Member: 149317Members, NS2 Map Tester
    edited May 2012
    Glad to hear you went with the i5. You wont regret it. World COnstruct makes some good points about the PSU. You cant have too much wattage but if you are on a budget then making minor cuts like 850w to 650w can make the difference if budget is an issue without causing any big issues. Just be smart about your power needs.

    As far as a mobo goes I would say that there are many solid boards out there. I would <u>personally</u> reccomend an Asrock Extreme 3 Gen 3 board. Good price and makes OCing that i5 a breeze. Ive had good experience with Asrock. ASrock also has some useful utilities like XFast RAM and XFast USB. Both of which are nice. While not an ASrock utility you can make use of Lucid VITRU MVP(link below). Here is a link to the Mobo:


    <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271&Tpk=extreme3%20gen3" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...extreme3%20gen3</a>

    VIRTU:

    <a href="http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-mvp.html" target="_blank">http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-mvp.html</a>

    And some useful info about it and how to get it setup on a z68 board:

    <a href="http://www.overclock.net/t/1254204/lucid-virtu-mvp-full-version" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/t/1254204/lucid-v...vp-full-version</a>

    The extreme3 Gen3 has all the features you really need for a gaming rig. Only 2 SATA 3 ports though but it sounds like you only have a single SSD so not an issue. You can park 2 cards in this board if you decide to SLI at some point in the future.
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  • DJPenguinDJPenguin Useless Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18538Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1938927:date=May 25 2012, 04:31 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ May 25 2012, 04:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938927"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Get an ASUS mobo btw, preferably a DELUXE edition, those are the best you can get (price/value/performance/reliability)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Having an Asus Deluxe myself, i advise the OP to stay away from it. Granted it's been a year since it was released but when i bought mine back then, there were/are huge problems with it. Mine in particular is inflicted with a cold boot problem ie. turn on PC, starts up for a few seconds, shuts off on it's own, starts back up again on it's own a few seconds later etc. up to 3 times on rare occasions. Some others have it much worse. Shouldn't the Asus Pro do him just fine? i heard that one runs pretty well.
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  • Wonderboy2402Wonderboy2402 Join Date: 2011-08-28 Member: 118911Members
    Good luck with your build. Sounds like you are gonna be set. Plus ns2 should be getting only faster as they will be optimising it to a much better standard.

    Oh and I have a 470gtx and never once regretted getting it. I play NS2 on my 4 year old system just fine and we are talking 25-40fps...even with my q9300 cpu. =]
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  • flyjumflyjum Join Date: 2012-01-07 Member: 139849Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1938927:date=May 25 2012, 01:31 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ May 25 2012, 01:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938927"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Get an ASUS mobo btw, preferably a DELUXE edition, those are the best you can get (price/value/performance/reliability)

    P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 is ready for Ivy as well if you want to upgrade to that lateron (not really worth it though --> Ivy that is!)


    <b><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->DO NOT GET ASROCK OR MSI!!!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> they are quite bad quality and are known to either burn or simply stop working after a year. There should be a law against such shoddy products!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Asrock makes great motherboards
    they used to be a budget brand under asus but now they are their own thing and still make a great product
    MSI also makes great boards

    With that being said
    I would run a 2500k
    Get a hyper 212+ cooler
    run it at 4.5ghz

    I run a 990x overclocked on water and get 90+fps for most of the game late game drops to 70fps
    this is on max setting 1920x1080 16x forced AA in the nvidia control panel
    GPUs are SLI gtx590s
    I have seen sudden dips into the low 20s at times for maybe 1 second

    The game is not as threaded as they would like it to be but this is the case for just about every game out there.
    They are working on it all the time but with such a small team it is quite hard I would imagine
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  • WilsonWilson Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72867Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1938939:date=May 25 2012, 10:15 PM:name=flyjum)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (flyjum @ May 25 2012, 10:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938939"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I run a 990x overclocked on water and get 90+fps for most of the game late game drops to 70fps<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Overclocked to what? I wish I had 90fps...
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  • bLink`bLink` Join Date: 2012-02-18 Member: 146506Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited May 2012
    Always go with intel. Intel rules out AMD lol

    i5-2500k is pretty good too, 2600k is just better. I'd rather get the 6 core :)


    <!--quoteo(post=1938927:date=May 25 2012, 03:31 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ May 25 2012, 03:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938927"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Get an ASUS mobo btw, preferably a DELUXE edition, those are the best you can get (price/value/performance/reliability)

    P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 is ready for Ivy as well if you want to upgrade to that lateron (not really worth it though --> Ivy that is!)


    <b><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->DO NOT GET ASROCK OR MSI!!!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> they are quite bad quality and are known to either burn or simply stop working after a year. There should be a law against such shoddy products!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I like MSI, they have great MOBOs too. I use them, nothing wrong has happened.
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  • Banzai¥Banzai¥ Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143902Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1938961:date=May 25 2012, 06:43 PM:name=bLink`)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bLink` @ May 25 2012, 06:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938961"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I like MSI, they have great MOBOs too. I use them, nothing wrong has happened.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Indeed; I got a cheap 870-G45 under $75 and it has worked fine for the past 16 months (even has working Crossfire support.) The newer MSI-mobos are lookin' pretty awesome.
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  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1938961:date=May 25 2012, 06:43 PM:name=bLink`)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bLink` @ May 25 2012, 06:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938961"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Always go with intel. Intel rules out AMD lol<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Meh. I like AMD a lot. I'd very much like to go with an FX-8150 for this build... who knows, I still may. The problem is, I see a lot of real world benchmarks that put the 2500k well over the FX-8150. At the same time, certain reviews show the FX-8150 and the i5 2500k neck and neck. example: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4</a>

    I don't suppose anyone actually runs an FX-8150 that plays NS2 on these boards, do they? I'd love to hear a personal testimony.

    Another reason I lean toward the FX-8150 is that the 990FX motherboard platform is stronger than the z77, etc. The 990fx board I'm looking at does not have SATA II ports. Every port on the mobo is SATA III. The z77 usually has 2 SATA III ports, and the rest are SATA II. This isn't a real issue for me right now, but the 990fx seems to be ahead of the game on this one. Also, the 990fx can have 2 or even three PCI express ports running at 16x. The intel boards I've seen usually have one at 16x and two at 8x, or something like that. Again, I think the 990fx platform is better for future expandability because of this - even though I am not planning on running an SLI configuration right now.

    Just my $0.02

    Cheers,
    Cody
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  • ObraxisObraxis Subnautica Animator & Generalist, NS2 Person Join Date: 2004-07-24 Member: 30071Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    edited May 2012
    Virtually all the people running AMD CPUs have complained about poor framerates. The few playtesters who run AMD chips have significantly less FPS compared to their Intel counterparts. If you can afford Intel, go Intel. Fanboy or no, it's about performance for your money and AMD are just not up there.
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  • World ConstructWorld Construct Join Date: 2012-03-29 Member: 149616Members
    edited May 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1939022:date=May 26 2012, 04:55 AM:name=Obraxis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Obraxis @ May 26 2012, 04:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1939022"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Virtually all the people running AMD CPUs have complained about poor framerates. The few playtesters who run AMD chips have significantly less FPS compared to their Intel counterparts. If you can afford Intel, go Intel. Fanboy or no, it's about performance for your money and AMD are just not up there.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm running an AMD 3.7 Ghz Deneb Phenom II and get 30-60 FPS on Build 208. AMD chips are extremely powerful and in terms of performance per dollar are cheaper than their Intel counterparts. They generally cannot achieve the same maximum performance as Intel processors due to the fact that Intel's down to 32nm and has HyperThreading.
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