Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
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too low a price, people might think "pfft not worth my time" to high a price, people might think "why is the price so high" and check it out :P (or not, t'is a risk you can take)
We shall see, free weekends and summer/holiday sale prices might work as well...
Personally think that it's a very reasonable price at the moment, you'll still get Beta access and considering the way Alpha is and what we know they need to get added I'd say this games going to be in Alpha/Beta stages for a fair while yet.
Hopefully the steam sale will come soon as this has ruled out the 2 people i know on the fence about pre ordering before any gameplay footage was out :(
If there is a small discount when the steam pre order comes out, around $29.99 then I'd thing a lot of people who are waiting for reviews will pick it up
I happily paid 40 bucks to support a great developer and $35 bucks is the right price to try to convince my friends. Still lots of time to convince them since a final product is down the road.
<!--quoteo(post=1785667:date=Jul 27 2010, 08:46 AM:name=Sirot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sirot @ Jul 27 2010, 08:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1785667"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think 35 is just hard to swallow, a few of my friends don't feel comfortable with spending that much on a indie game. They will probably wait for a steam sale now to justify a purchase.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
of course they will wait, now that the 20$ offer is over, why would they buy it now, all the fans already baught it, now the only potential buyers the NS1 ex casual players and some of the fans friends.
thoses dont trust indie games, as we normally all wouldn't pay for a game that not even in a advanced beta where we've seen something really worth it.
Now i dont think they'll be much copy baught, until the alpha has been clean and upgraded enough so that us, fans, can ad for the devs by telling all our friends about it, and then beta will be out, UW will buy Steam Ad so they warn everyone that a great game is comin (if they can afford it, dont know how much this things cost) and then , if the game is well done (like NS1 was :p) they will steal a lots of TF2 L4D WAR3 SC2 CSS players i think.
I think the mod community is going to eat up NS2. If the lua interface is as good as some people say, there will be some serious mods which have nothing to do with aliens, that make the price worth it.
Recent marketing trends say that 7 is the new 9. (Not joking.)
$27.95 sounds better to me.
I want UWE to succeed. At the same time, I don't buy a lot of games. I play DoD:S and CS:S, and I'm still waiting for HL2: Episode 3... I just don't have a lot of money to throw around.
Now, I bought the $40 special edition because I believe in this team and want to see things happen for them.
But, I agree with those who feel that the price ought to be lowered eventually. Maybe $35 is OK for now, but when the final release hits - I vote for $27.95.
Before I begin, I should apologize that I didn't buy this game when it was standard edition $20 because of two things:
1) I wanted to be able to see a Steam Store page for the game first (right now I only see the one for the HL1 mod) because I can come to trust the Steam purchases that I wasn't handing over my CC info to an untrustworthy seller (this trust has been built up over the years with small purchases and then reviewing my CC statements for extra charges, not saying UW is untrustworthy I just play it careful like that, been burned too many times in past non-game related deals when I have a small margin for error in my month to month household budget concerns due to low income)
2) I have had trouble keeping up with my CC payments to avoid over limit charges due to recent moving costs and other bills, especially food and rent, come first before the CC payments.
That said, somewhere in the $5-$20 range is my impulse buy range for games and when the question was first broached by the Devs here what price I would be willing to purchase at I said $20 CDN is what I would be willing to part with. I appreciate that the Devs do not want to sell themselves short, so I suppose all this means is that I will just have to be patient and attentive waiting for a sale on Steam for a price that falls within my personal impulse range for disposable net income slotted for entertainment from our family's budget.
Till then, I will just bide my time knowing of the many other fine and friendly gamers in the NS2 community who were able to help UW with funds, Quality Assurance testing in Alpha & Beta, and community maps and mods.
Sincerely Wishing All Well, Michael aka CanadianWolverine aka Wolvie
<!--quoteo(post=1786788:date=Jul 27 2010, 01:13 PM:name=MuYeah)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MuYeah @ Jul 27 2010, 01:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786788"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->puny dollars make me proud to be british. it cost me £25, the price of 2 pizzas<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell? it only cost $5 for 1 pizza here. £25 would be equal to 8 pizzas here.
<!--quoteo(post=1786797:date=Jul 27 2010, 09:20 PM:name=XainGM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XainGM @ Jul 27 2010, 09:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786797"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What the hell? it only cost $5 for 1 pizza here. £25 would be equal to 8 pizzas here.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> from a takeaway for a large it'll run you £7 to £15 depending on where you go
<!--quoteo(post=1786684:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:18 PM:name=DarkATi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DarkATi @ Jul 27 2010, 10:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786684"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Recent marketing trends say that 7 is the new 9. (Not joking.)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, this whole .95/.99 pricing is not even relevant. Scientific studies have shown that there's no difference in sales between a product that costs 29.99 and one that costs 30.00. But people in marketing are used to it and keep on using it.
I think the price is ok. NS2 has always been more than the average indie game to me. 20$ felt way too cheap.
<!--quoteo(post=1786807:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:27 PM:name=MuYeah)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MuYeah @ Jul 27 2010, 10:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786807"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->from a takeaway for a large it'll run you £7 to £15 depending on where you go
<!--quoteo(post=1786700:date=Jul 27 2010, 04:33 PM:name=XainGM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XainGM @ Jul 27 2010, 04:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786700"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Get over it guys, you had what.. a year+ to buy the game at $20. It's your own fault. Bum $15 off a friend if you can't swing for $35.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you seriously suggesting borrowing against future earnings and getting into debt with a friend (which adds its own set of problems in a friendship), lets call them Peter, to pay Paul for the opportunity to borrow from them at compounding interest so the customer can purchase an entertainment product? Unless perhaps you are suggesting asking a friend to gift either the currency or game, at which point I would have to wonder what kind of friend...
I don't take it you are all that familiar with needs vs wants in a budget (aka pay your grocery, rent, and energy bills first), expendable net income (what is left after you pay your bills and have saved up for future needs and larger purchases), and opportunity cost in regards to that expendable income. At the very least, please assure me that you will educate for free on microeconomics from Wikipedia or something, so you aren't another one of the debt burdened citizens of North America living from paycheck to paycheck.
I don't appreciate the implication that the current financial hardtimes are my fault, especially with that pro-debt attitude you are swinging about that is in some measure responsible for the mess, or that I am in some way ###### UW out for arriving at a price they are comfortable selling at. As a fan I am only trying to provide my own marketing sample for free and do not speak for others who have their own levels of expendable income and much different opportunity costs.
<!--quoteo(post=1786844:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:52 PM:name=CanadianWolverine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CanadianWolverine @ Jul 27 2010, 10:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786844"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Are you seriously suggesting borrowing against future earnings and getting into debt with a friend (which adds its own set of problems in a friendship), lets call them Peter, to pay Paul for the opportunity to borrow from them at compounding interest so the customer can purchase an entertainment product? Unless perhaps you are suggesting asking a friend to gift either the currency or game, at which point I would have to wonder what kind of friend...
I don't take it you are all that familiar with needs vs wants in a budget (aka pay your grocery, rent, and energy bills first), expendable net income (what is left after you pay your bills and have saved up for future needs and larger purchases), and opportunity cost in regards to that expendable income. At the very least, please assure me that you will educate for free on microeconomics from Wikipedia or something, so you aren't another one of the debt burdened citizens of North America living from paycheck to paycheck.
I don't appreciate the implication that the current financial hardtimes are my fault, especially with that pro-debt attitude you are swinging about that is in some measure responsible for the mess, or that I am in some way ###### UW out for arriving at a price they are comfortable selling at. As a fan I am only trying to provide my own marketing sample for free and do not speak for others who have their own levels of expendable income and much different opportunity costs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I imagine its almost like having 2 jobs... One day job and one other job... The second job being creating a Half Life 1 modification.... A free one that you allow other people to download and enjoy, and updating it but never charging anyone any money....
Oh wait.... You are almost belittling the work of the Unknown Worlds team by saying they are charging too much money....
I bought my copy of SE almost as soon as it went on Pre-Order... Are you telling me you cannot shave 1 dollar off your spending each week.... you could have done and afforded SE easily during the year it was on offer at 45 dollars... Please dont tell us you cannot "afford" to buy it unless you actually dont have a job or a home... Otherwise its just not "willing" to buy it.
<!--quoteo(post=1786844:date=Jul 27 2010, 01:52 PM:name=CanadianWolverine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CanadianWolverine @ Jul 27 2010, 01:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786844"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Are you seriously suggesting borrowing against future earnings and getting into debt with a friend (which adds its own set of problems in a friendship), lets call them Peter, to pay Paul for the opportunity to borrow from them at compounding interest so the customer can purchase an entertainment product? Unless perhaps you are suggesting asking a friend to gift either the currency or game, at which point I would have to wonder what kind of friend...
I don't take it you are all that familiar with needs vs wants in a budget (aka pay your grocery, rent, and energy bills first), expendable net income (what is left after you pay your bills and have saved up for future needs and larger purchases), and opportunity cost in regards to that expendable income. At the very least, please assure me that you will educate for free on microeconomics from Wikipedia or something, so you aren't another one of the debt burdened citizens of North America living from paycheck to paycheck.
I don't appreciate the implication that the current financial hardtimes are my fault, especially with that pro-debt attitude you are swinging about that is in some measure responsible for the mess, or that I am in some way ###### UW out for arriving at a price they are comfortable selling at. As a fan I am only trying to provide my own marketing sample for free and do not speak for others who have their own levels of expendable income and much different opportunity costs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I lost my job 4 years ago to a huge company layoff when I worked for Symantec. I decided to take it upon my self to work from home programming and doing webpage design. I have by no means had anything other than "financial hard-times" living "paycheck to paycheck". With rent to pay and a brand new car I can barley afford now after the layoff. Yet I still manage to find myself going to the movies or eating out everyone once in a while, instead, I save that money and purchase a game such as this. I highly doubt that you can't scrap together $35 within a months time to purchase a game.
FYI, internet is a luxury item, you don't need to to get by unless you have a job related to the internet. Do you have a Cellphone? do you eat out every once in a while? see a movie? drive a car? I bet you anything you can be saving money somewhere in your life to afford to save up $35. Otherwise, quit whining and do something about it. Be a man and get things done (other than sitting on your ass complaining about the economy).
<!--quoteo(post=1785858:date=Jul 27 2010, 01:56 AM:name=peregrinus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peregrinus @ Jul 27 2010, 01:56 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1785858"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Compare it to the price of a movie ticket. It's AMAZINGLY good value. They could charge $100 and you still get years of fun out of it. YEARS!
If the price is higher then they can maybe hire some staff to help develop the game. It's a win win situation. This isn't some crappy game like AvP where the final version feels like alpha and then there is no after support or good patches.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->At $100 the game would not last years. Sales would suffer big time as the community would shrivel up and die. The game needs some marketing kick in the ass before it can demand a price near that of AAA box titles. A lower price point of around $20 ($19.99) would secure all of the NS1 fans for sure, as well as to bring in the new blood that is desperately needed in order for this community to grow and survive. Fan boys will not solely keep this franchise alive. This is no Valve or Blizzard that everyone is aware of a good 12-24 months before the release.
I wish the best for this title, yet have seen the same pattern enough to know to be cautious.
<!--quoteo(post=1786853:date=Jul 27 2010, 06:00 PM:name=PsympleJester)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PsympleJester @ Jul 27 2010, 06:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786853"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I imagine its almost like having 2 jobs... One day job and one other job... The second job being creating a Half Life 1 modification.... A free one that you allow other people to download and enjoy, and updating it but never charging anyone any money....
Oh wait.... You are almost belittling the work of the Unknown Worlds team by saying they are charging too much money....
I bought my copy of SE almost as soon as it went on Pre-Order... <i>Are you telling me you cannot shave 1 dollar off your spending each week.... you could have done and afforded SE easily during the year it was on offer at 45 dollars... Please dont tell us you cannot "afford" to buy it unless you actually dont have a job or a home... Otherwise its just not "willing" to buy it.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I am not belittling their work, merely stating at what price point I am willing to buy, in no way saying they are charging too much. For some people's amount of available expendable income alloted to entertainment according to their priorities, that may even be selling themselves short. So, that is exactly what I am telling you, for the past year since the pre-order has been available, other needs in my life have taken precedent over my wants, its just one of those things when you start a family and have fluctuating income and costs. This again is not a reflection on their work, only on my spending power, and just means I will have to wait while others are entertained by their early adoption - that is true of any game, I don't participate in most pre-order offers and especially don't usually pick up any game till long after it has been released hopefully had a few patches, content additions from wonderful community contributions, and has a sale that puts it in my price range at time when other financial concerns are not an issue. Such has been the case with such gems as Mount&Blade with me, I just keep it in my Steam wishlist till such a time as makes sense for me. I can be patient, especially when it comes to entertainment, and not willing to buy it till conditions are satisfactory.
Here is an image (just as an example, not indicative of any prediction of what NS2 demand curve would look like) which I hope will jog some memories in regards to microeconomics and you can probably guess where I fall along the demand curve: <img src="http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/36333/11-203Fall-2002/NR/rdonlyres/Global/E/ED05220E-47D8-43C2-84AC-3EB38D0F9DB4/0/chp_11203.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<!--quoteo(post=1786863:date=Jul 27 2010, 06:06 PM:name=XainGM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XainGM @ Jul 27 2010, 06:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786863"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I lost my job 4 years ago to a huge company layoff when I worked for Symantec. I decided to take it upon my self to work from home programming and doing webpage design. I have by no means had anything other than "financial hard-times" living "paycheck to paycheck". With rent to pay and a brand new car I can barley afford now after the layoff. Yet I still manage to find myself going to the movies or eating out everyone once in a while, instead, I save that money and purchase a game such as this. I highly doubt that you can't scrap together $35 within a months time to purchase a game.
FYI, internet is a luxury item, you don't need to to get by unless you have a job related to the internet. Do you have a Cellphone? do you eat out every once in a while? see a movie? drive a car? I bet you anything you can be saving money somewhere in your life to afford to save up $35. Otherwise, quit whining and do something about it. Be a man and get things done (other than sitting on your ass complaining about the economy).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
At this point a number of the responses completely ignored my references to microeconomics as well as my appreciation UW's hard work (which any of you would be aware of had you read any of my previous posts on this board) and have entered the flame bait territory, especially in regards to "manning up". Its entertainment, irregardless of any of your cat calling and dishonesty regarding my good intentions towards UW and their product, I have the self control to deny myself such pleasures (especially at higher price points which requires more convincing with a wife who does not share the same interests) in order to keep the family finances on an even keel. I am not a game addict, just a PC gamer and stand by my position that I am willing to walk away from entertainment I find too expensive for my tastes and my family's budgetary concerns.
FYI, you don't have a clue about what you are wanking on about with regards to me being a man and getting things done. This is me doing something about it, relating that any entertainment or luxury items priced beyond $20 is me not saving up enough to make necessary maintenance of my family's needs. I already don't: smoke, drink, go to movies, go out to dinner, make fewer long distance calls, buy snacks, purchase clothing in accepted cultural styles meant to convey wealth, take unnecessary trips in the work/family vehicle, switched from a cell to a land line with no extras and so on. Communication and transportation is necessary for finding and keeping employment and education, the entertainment aspects of the internet access at home is just a bonus and thus our cheap PC serves our needs better than say a console entertainment system and a bigger tv. This isn't me complaining flaccidly about outside forces of the unregulated market forces using irresponsible lending practices and deceptive investment schemes in the US financial institutions and its impact on our local economy, its me facing the realty of the situation and cutting unnecessary costs. So just go on continuing being smug and superior on this price point issue, you are only displaying your ignorance as to the Opportunity Cost of a Luxury item.
I know everyone has different spending limits etc.
$35 doesn't seem that high for a game of NS2's grade, the price is $39.95 for standard wouldn't of made me think twice about buying (I'd get it).
Luckily it is the age of the interwebz ;) Even with a small/no advertising budget the game will get a lot of publicity from posts/videos posted online.
Once the game has a bit more polish and playability and more videos start to spam onto youtube I believe the population will increase 10x
I have read everyones arguments for and against but really, this isnt any of our business.
You can tell them increaing the price will decrease sales but how can you tell? Do you know how many sales they made at $20 and how many they have made so far at $40? This sort of thing is really my bread and butter at work. And honestly the only way to know the what a change in price will do to demand is to base it on historical information from the business, results from comparable businesses making price point changes or effectively guessing and then comparing to actual results.
In the end we have none of this information. So this is purely an argument over people who have probably already bought it saying its not that much compared to those who say they cant afford it. In all likelyhood those who say they cant afford it there is probably a good portion of you who will in the end pay the higher price while theres another portion who really wont. And thats the oppurtunity cost. Let them run their business I am sure if sales dont meet expectations over a period the price will change (and this could go either way if sales boom, you could well see it go up another $5).
I got an Email reminder a good week before it stopped selling the SE, and bought it instantly so i feel they gave all those following the game more than sufficient time to make a decision. If you didnt during that time, you need to decide whether to wait and see what the game turns out like and buy it then (and risk a higher price), wait and hope for it to drop or a steam sale or just buy it now. I am sure they will probably offer those buying it now a key into the 'beta' phase of the game a little further down the track which should also be kept in mind.
<!--quoteo(post=1787416:date=Jul 27 2010, 09:15 PM:name=CanadianWolverine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CanadianWolverine @ Jul 27 2010, 09:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1787416"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, I am not belittling their work, merely stating at what price point I am willing to buy, in no way saying they are charging too much. For some people's amount of available expendable income alloted to entertainment according to their priorities, that may even be selling themselves short. So, that is exactly what I am telling you, for the past year since the pre-order has been available, other needs in my life have taken precedent over my wants, its just one of those things when you start a family and have fluctuating income and costs. This again is not a reflection on their work, only on my spending power, and just means I will have to wait while others are entertained by their early adoption - that is true of any game, I don't participate in most pre-order offers and especially don't usually pick up any game till long after it has been released hopefully had a few patches, content additions from wonderful community contributions, and has a sale that puts it in my price range at time when other financial concerns are not an issue. Such has been the case with such gems as Mount&Blade with me, I just keep it in my Steam wishlist till such a time as makes sense for me. I can be patient, especially when it comes to entertainment, and not willing to buy it till conditions are satisfactory.
Here is an image (just as an example, not indicative of any prediction of what NS2 demand curve would look like) which I hope will jog some memories in regards to microeconomics and you can probably guess where I fall along the demand curve: <img src="http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/36333/11-203Fall-2002/NR/rdonlyres/Global/E/ED05220E-47D8-43C2-84AC-3EB38D0F9DB4/0/chp_11203.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
At this point a number of the responses completely ignored my references to microeconomics as well as my appreciation UW's hard work (which any of you would be aware of had you read any of my previous posts on this board) and have entered the flame bait territory, especially in regards to "manning up". Its entertainment, irregardless of any of your cat calling and dishonesty regarding my good intentions towards UW and their product, I have the self control to deny myself such pleasures (especially at higher price points which requires more convincing with a wife who does not share the same interests) in order to keep the family finances on an even keel. I am not a game addict, just a PC gamer and stand by my position that I am willing to walk away from entertainment I find too expensive for my tastes and my family's budgetary concerns.
FYI, you don't have a clue about what you are wanking on about with regards to me being a man and getting things done. This is me doing something about it, relating that any entertainment or luxury items priced beyond $20 is me not saving up enough to make necessary maintenance of my family's needs. I already don't: smoke, drink, go to movies, go out to dinner, make fewer long distance calls, buy snacks, purchase clothing in accepted cultural styles meant to convey wealth, take unnecessary trips in the work/family vehicle, switched from a cell to a land line with no extras and so on. Communication and transportation is necessary for finding and keeping employment and education, the entertainment aspects of the internet access at home is just a bonus and thus our cheap PC serves our needs better than say a console entertainment system and a bigger tv. This isn't me complaining flaccidly about outside forces of the unregulated market forces using irresponsible lending practices and deceptive investment schemes in the US financial institutions and its impact on our local economy, its me facing the realty of the situation and cutting unnecessary costs. So just go on continuing being smug and superior on this price point issue, you are only displaying your ignorance as to the Opportunity Cost of a Luxury item.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Am I? I can't help but to re-read that last paragraph and thinking how smug YOU are being. You are making yourself out to be so broke and financial tight that 1 hour lost in work and little Johny wont get mac and cheese for the weeks meal. I'm assuming you live in the states since it seems EVERYONE has become and economic expert because of our economic situation. If you live in the states then you know damn well there is opportunity to make money anywhere you go. Hell, go to a select temp job agency and do 1 days of work and BOOM now you get to play NS2...
Crying about $35... lmao... I think someone need to spend less time playing video games then..
<!--quoteo(post=1785794:date=Jul 27 2010, 04:02 AM:name=CrapHand)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CrapHand @ Jul 27 2010, 04:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1785794"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I bought Special Edition about a year ago, no regrets. My computer exploded back in 2007 by a high voltage and i haven't build a new one since, due to excessive work and other life issues but STILL, i bought NS2 Special Edition right there when it was available to buy and i didn't think twice because of 2 reasons:
1) NS1 was THE SH!T 2) NS2 will be THE FATHER OF ALL TURDS
So i was really happy to know i was able to both get Special Edition and have some future exclusivity regarding armor fashion and the fact that i had a justified reason to spend that extra cash to help the devs of this great game a little more.
No regrets, no regrets AT ALL and remember i don't even have my computer yet, NOW i'm building my pc because other than checking the usual emails, work and news i have a reason again to have a good gaming computer in my house to play NS2 :D
So soon, goodbye MW2, it will be all NS2 and Halo Reach! :D (same with Reach, $150 bucks for Legendary Edition FTW, epic games are priceless)
-=CrapHand=- or CrapHand, see you on the field ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1787483:date=Jul 28 2010, 03:19 AM:name=XainGM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XainGM @ Jul 28 2010, 03:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1787483"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Am I? I can't help but to re-read that last paragraph and thinking how smug YOU are being. You are making yourself out to be so broke and financial tight that 1 hour lost in work and little Johny wont get mac and cheese for the weeks meal. <b>I'm assuming you live in the states</b> since it seems EVERYONE has become and economic expert because of our economic situation. If you live in the states then you know damn well there is opportunity to make money anywhere you go. Hell, go to a select temp job agency and do 1 days of work and BOOM now you get to play NS2...
Crying about $35... lmao... I think someone need to spend less time playing video games then..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, you really are quite daft or wilfully ignorant, aren't you? Reading comprehension not a priority with you, eh? Or being observant? Look over under your nick its says <b>From: Veneta, Oregon</b> and under mine it says <b>Ucluelet BC Canada</b> which changed recently from another location. And that's before even getting into your other assumptions which I don't really feel all that inclined in sharing with you the personal details of my family's situation. Go on thinking this is crying, you really aren't doing yourself any favours on top of your proclivity to assume rather than do some rather effortless research. And telling me to play less "video" (if you had actually read my posts you would know I don't play video games but rather PC games) games when you advertise your Steam profile: Mitchell Kinard from Eugene, Oregon, United States, Playing time: 77.2 hrs past 2 weeks ... LOL
Don't bother replying with the intent of my reading it, I figure you should end up on my ignore list for these forums just to save others the trouble of watching you flame bait me and me feel the need to defend myself from your spurious remarks.
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too low a price, people might think "pfft not worth my time"
to high a price, people might think "why is the price so high" and check it out :P (or not, t'is a risk you can take)
We shall see, free weekends and summer/holiday sale prices might work as well...
Not bad for a starting price on Steam.
If there is a small discount when the steam pre order comes out, around $29.99 then I'd thing a lot of people who are waiting for reviews will pick it up
of course they will wait, now that the 20$ offer is over, why would they buy it now, all the fans already baught it, now the only potential buyers the NS1 ex casual players and some of the fans friends.
thoses dont trust indie games, as we normally all wouldn't pay for a game that not even in a advanced beta where we've seen something really worth it.
Now i dont think they'll be much copy baught, until the alpha has been clean and upgraded enough so that us, fans, can ad for the devs by telling all our friends about it, and then beta will be out, UW will buy Steam Ad so they warn everyone that a great game is comin (if they can afford it, dont know how much this things cost) and then , if the game is well done (like NS1 was :p) they will steal a lots of TF2 L4D WAR3 SC2 CSS players i think.
20$ was too cheap
$27.95 sounds better to me.
I want UWE to succeed. At the same time, I don't buy a lot of games. I play DoD:S and CS:S, and I'm still waiting for HL2: Episode 3... I just don't have a lot of money to throw around.
Now, I bought the $40 special edition because I believe in this team and want to see things happen for them.
But, I agree with those who feel that the price ought to be lowered eventually. Maybe $35 is OK for now, but when the final release hits - I vote for $27.95.
Cheers,
Cody
1) I wanted to be able to see a Steam Store page for the game first (right now I only see the one for the HL1 mod) because I can come to trust the Steam purchases that I wasn't handing over my CC info to an untrustworthy seller (this trust has been built up over the years with small purchases and then reviewing my CC statements for extra charges, not saying UW is untrustworthy I just play it careful like that, been burned too many times in past non-game related deals when I have a small margin for error in my month to month household budget concerns due to low income)
2) I have had trouble keeping up with my CC payments to avoid over limit charges due to recent moving costs and other bills, especially food and rent, come first before the CC payments.
That said, somewhere in the $5-$20 range is my impulse buy range for games and when the question was first broached by the Devs here what price I would be willing to purchase at I said $20 CDN is what I would be willing to part with. I appreciate that the Devs do not want to sell themselves short, so I suppose all this means is that I will just have to be patient and attentive waiting for a sale on Steam for a price that falls within my personal impulse range for disposable net income slotted for entertainment from our family's budget.
Till then, I will just bide my time knowing of the many other fine and friendly gamers in the NS2 community who were able to help UW with funds, Quality Assurance testing in Alpha & Beta, and community maps and mods.
Sincerely Wishing All Well,
Michael aka CanadianWolverine aka Wolvie
What the hell? it only cost $5 for 1 pizza here. £25 would be equal to 8 pizzas here.
from a takeaway for a large it'll run you £7 to £15 depending on where you go
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Actually, this whole .95/.99 pricing is not even relevant.
Scientific studies have shown that there's no difference in sales between a product that costs 29.99 and one that costs 30.00.
But people in marketing are used to it and keep on using it.
I think the price is ok. NS2 has always been more than the average indie game to me.
20$ felt way too cheap.
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You need to check for discount codes!
I got a large pizza from dominos earlier with 4 toppings for £5
Usually plenty of 50% codes on the internet for dominos/pizza hut :D
Are you seriously suggesting borrowing against future earnings and getting into debt with a friend (which adds its own set of problems in a friendship), lets call them Peter, to pay Paul for the opportunity to borrow from them at compounding interest so the customer can purchase an entertainment product? Unless perhaps you are suggesting asking a friend to gift either the currency or game, at which point I would have to wonder what kind of friend...
I don't take it you are all that familiar with needs vs wants in a budget (aka pay your grocery, rent, and energy bills first), expendable net income (what is left after you pay your bills and have saved up for future needs and larger purchases), and opportunity cost in regards to that expendable income. At the very least, please assure me that you will educate for free on microeconomics from Wikipedia or something, so you aren't another one of the debt burdened citizens of North America living from paycheck to paycheck.
I don't appreciate the implication that the current financial hardtimes are my fault, especially with that pro-debt attitude you are swinging about that is in some measure responsible for the mess, or that I am in some way ###### UW out for arriving at a price they are comfortable selling at. As a fan I am only trying to provide my own marketing sample for free and do not speak for others who have their own levels of expendable income and much different opportunity costs.
I don't take it you are all that familiar with needs vs wants in a budget (aka pay your grocery, rent, and energy bills first), expendable net income (what is left after you pay your bills and have saved up for future needs and larger purchases), and opportunity cost in regards to that expendable income. At the very least, please assure me that you will educate for free on microeconomics from Wikipedia or something, so you aren't another one of the debt burdened citizens of North America living from paycheck to paycheck.
I don't appreciate the implication that the current financial hardtimes are my fault, especially with that pro-debt attitude you are swinging about that is in some measure responsible for the mess, or that I am in some way ###### UW out for arriving at a price they are comfortable selling at. As a fan I am only trying to provide my own marketing sample for free and do not speak for others who have their own levels of expendable income and much different opportunity costs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I imagine its almost like having 2 jobs...
One day job and one other job...
The second job being creating a Half Life 1 modification....
A free one that you allow other people to download and enjoy, and updating it but never charging anyone any money....
Oh wait....
You are almost belittling the work of the Unknown Worlds team by saying they are charging too much money....
I bought my copy of SE almost as soon as it went on Pre-Order...
Are you telling me you cannot shave 1 dollar off your spending each week.... you could have done and afforded SE easily during the year it was on offer at 45 dollars...
Please dont tell us you cannot "afford" to buy it unless you actually dont have a job or a home...
Otherwise its just not "willing" to buy it.
I don't take it you are all that familiar with needs vs wants in a budget (aka pay your grocery, rent, and energy bills first), expendable net income (what is left after you pay your bills and have saved up for future needs and larger purchases), and opportunity cost in regards to that expendable income. At the very least, please assure me that you will educate for free on microeconomics from Wikipedia or something, so you aren't another one of the debt burdened citizens of North America living from paycheck to paycheck.
I don't appreciate the implication that the current financial hardtimes are my fault, especially with that pro-debt attitude you are swinging about that is in some measure responsible for the mess, or that I am in some way ###### UW out for arriving at a price they are comfortable selling at. As a fan I am only trying to provide my own marketing sample for free and do not speak for others who have their own levels of expendable income and much different opportunity costs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I lost my job 4 years ago to a huge company layoff when I worked for Symantec. I decided to take it upon my self to work from home programming and doing webpage design. I have by no means had anything other than "financial hard-times" living "paycheck to paycheck". With rent to pay and a brand new car I can barley afford now after the layoff. Yet I still manage to find myself going to the movies or eating out everyone once in a while, instead, I save that money and purchase a game such as this. I highly doubt that you can't scrap together $35 within a months time to purchase a game.
FYI, internet is a luxury item, you don't need to to get by unless you have a job related to the internet. Do you have a Cellphone? do you eat out every once in a while? see a movie? drive a car? I bet you anything you can be saving money somewhere in your life to afford to save up $35. Otherwise, quit whining and do something about it. Be a man and get things done (other than sitting on your ass complaining about the economy).
If the price is higher then they can maybe hire some staff to help develop the game. It's a win win situation. This isn't some crappy game like AvP where the final version feels like alpha and then there is no after support or good patches.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->At $100 the game would not last years. Sales would suffer big time as the community would shrivel up and die. The game needs some marketing kick in the ass before it can demand a price near that of AAA box titles. A lower price point of around $20 ($19.99) would secure all of the NS1 fans for sure, as well as to bring in the new blood that is desperately needed in order for this community to grow and survive. Fan boys will not solely keep this franchise alive. This is no Valve or Blizzard that everyone is aware of a good 12-24 months before the release.
I wish the best for this title, yet have seen the same pattern enough to know to be cautious.
One day job and one other job...
The second job being creating a Half Life 1 modification....
A free one that you allow other people to download and enjoy, and updating it but never charging anyone any money....
Oh wait....
You are almost belittling the work of the Unknown Worlds team by saying they are charging too much money....
I bought my copy of SE almost as soon as it went on Pre-Order...
<i>Are you telling me you cannot shave 1 dollar off your spending each week.... you could have done and afforded SE easily during the year it was on offer at 45 dollars...
Please dont tell us you cannot "afford" to buy it unless you actually dont have a job or a home...
Otherwise its just not "willing" to buy it.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I am not belittling their work, merely stating at what price point I am willing to buy, in no way saying they are charging too much. For some people's amount of available expendable income alloted to entertainment according to their priorities, that may even be selling themselves short. So, that is exactly what I am telling you, for the past year since the pre-order has been available, other needs in my life have taken precedent over my wants, its just one of those things when you start a family and have fluctuating income and costs. This again is not a reflection on their work, only on my spending power, and just means I will have to wait while others are entertained by their early adoption - that is true of any game, I don't participate in most pre-order offers and especially don't usually pick up any game till long after it has been released hopefully had a few patches, content additions from wonderful community contributions, and has a sale that puts it in my price range at time when other financial concerns are not an issue. Such has been the case with such gems as Mount&Blade with me, I just keep it in my Steam wishlist till such a time as makes sense for me. I can be patient, especially when it comes to entertainment, and not willing to buy it till conditions are satisfactory.
Here is an image (just as an example, not indicative of any prediction of what NS2 demand curve would look like) which I hope will jog some memories in regards to microeconomics and you can probably guess where I fall along the demand curve:
<img src="http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/36333/11-203Fall-2002/NR/rdonlyres/Global/E/ED05220E-47D8-43C2-84AC-3EB38D0F9DB4/0/chp_11203.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<!--quoteo(post=1786863:date=Jul 27 2010, 06:06 PM:name=XainGM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (XainGM @ Jul 27 2010, 06:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1786863"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I lost my job 4 years ago to a huge company layoff when I worked for Symantec. I decided to take it upon my self to work from home programming and doing webpage design. I have by no means had anything other than "financial hard-times" living "paycheck to paycheck". With rent to pay and a brand new car I can barley afford now after the layoff. Yet I still manage to find myself going to the movies or eating out everyone once in a while, instead, I save that money and purchase a game such as this. I highly doubt that you can't scrap together $35 within a months time to purchase a game.
FYI, internet is a luxury item, you don't need to to get by unless you have a job related to the internet. Do you have a Cellphone? do you eat out every once in a while? see a movie? drive a car? I bet you anything you can be saving money somewhere in your life to afford to save up $35. Otherwise, quit whining and do something about it. Be a man and get things done (other than sitting on your ass complaining about the economy).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
At this point a number of the responses completely ignored my references to microeconomics as well as my appreciation UW's hard work (which any of you would be aware of had you read any of my previous posts on this board) and have entered the flame bait territory, especially in regards to "manning up". Its entertainment, irregardless of any of your cat calling and dishonesty regarding my good intentions towards UW and their product, I have the self control to deny myself such pleasures (especially at higher price points which requires more convincing with a wife who does not share the same interests) in order to keep the family finances on an even keel. I am not a game addict, just a PC gamer and stand by my position that I am willing to walk away from entertainment I find too expensive for my tastes and my family's budgetary concerns.
FYI, you don't have a clue about what you are wanking on about with regards to me being a man and getting things done. This is me doing something about it, relating that any entertainment or luxury items priced beyond $20 is me not saving up enough to make necessary maintenance of my family's needs. I already don't: smoke, drink, go to movies, go out to dinner, make fewer long distance calls, buy snacks, purchase clothing in accepted cultural styles meant to convey wealth, take unnecessary trips in the work/family vehicle, switched from a cell to a land line with no extras and so on. Communication and transportation is necessary for finding and keeping employment and education, the entertainment aspects of the internet access at home is just a bonus and thus our cheap PC serves our needs better than say a console entertainment system and a bigger tv. This isn't me complaining flaccidly about outside forces of the unregulated market forces using irresponsible lending practices and deceptive investment schemes in the US financial institutions and its impact on our local economy, its me facing the realty of the situation and cutting unnecessary costs. So just go on continuing being smug and superior on this price point issue, you are only displaying your ignorance as to the Opportunity Cost of a Luxury item.
Don't like it at that price, don't buy it at that price?
Did some sort of new law come in to place dictating how you spend your own money recently?
$35 doesn't seem that high for a game of NS2's grade, the price is $39.95 for standard wouldn't of made me think twice about buying (I'd get it).
Luckily it is the age of the interwebz ;)
Even with a small/no advertising budget the game will get a lot of publicity from posts/videos posted online.
Once the game has a bit more polish and playability and more videos start to spam onto youtube I believe the population will increase 10x
You can tell them increaing the price will decrease sales but how can you tell? Do you know how many sales they made at $20 and how many they have made so far at $40? This sort of thing is really my bread and butter at work. And honestly the only way to know the what a change in price will do to demand is to base it on historical information from the business, results from comparable businesses making price point changes or effectively guessing and then comparing to actual results.
In the end we have none of this information. So this is purely an argument over people who have probably already bought it saying its not that much compared to those who say they cant afford it. In all likelyhood those who say they cant afford it there is probably a good portion of you who will in the end pay the higher price while theres another portion who really wont. And thats the oppurtunity cost. Let them run their business I am sure if sales dont meet expectations over a period the price will change (and this could go either way if sales boom, you could well see it go up another $5).
I got an Email reminder a good week before it stopped selling the SE, and bought it instantly so i feel they gave all those following the game more than sufficient time to make a decision. If you didnt during that time, you need to decide whether to wait and see what the game turns out like and buy it then (and risk a higher price), wait and hope for it to drop or a steam sale or just buy it now. I am sure they will probably offer those buying it now a key into the 'beta' phase of the game a little further down the track which should also be kept in mind.
Here is an image (just as an example, not indicative of any prediction of what NS2 demand curve would look like) which I hope will jog some memories in regards to microeconomics and you can probably guess where I fall along the demand curve:
<img src="http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/36333/11-203Fall-2002/NR/rdonlyres/Global/E/ED05220E-47D8-43C2-84AC-3EB38D0F9DB4/0/chp_11203.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
At this point a number of the responses completely ignored my references to microeconomics as well as my appreciation UW's hard work (which any of you would be aware of had you read any of my previous posts on this board) and have entered the flame bait territory, especially in regards to "manning up". Its entertainment, irregardless of any of your cat calling and dishonesty regarding my good intentions towards UW and their product, I have the self control to deny myself such pleasures (especially at higher price points which requires more convincing with a wife who does not share the same interests) in order to keep the family finances on an even keel. I am not a game addict, just a PC gamer and stand by my position that I am willing to walk away from entertainment I find too expensive for my tastes and my family's budgetary concerns.
FYI, you don't have a clue about what you are wanking on about with regards to me being a man and getting things done. This is me doing something about it, relating that any entertainment or luxury items priced beyond $20 is me not saving up enough to make necessary maintenance of my family's needs. I already don't: smoke, drink, go to movies, go out to dinner, make fewer long distance calls, buy snacks, purchase clothing in accepted cultural styles meant to convey wealth, take unnecessary trips in the work/family vehicle, switched from a cell to a land line with no extras and so on. Communication and transportation is necessary for finding and keeping employment and education, the entertainment aspects of the internet access at home is just a bonus and thus our cheap PC serves our needs better than say a console entertainment system and a bigger tv. This isn't me complaining flaccidly about outside forces of the unregulated market forces using irresponsible lending practices and deceptive investment schemes in the US financial institutions and its impact on our local economy, its me facing the realty of the situation and cutting unnecessary costs. So just go on continuing being smug and superior on this price point issue, you are only displaying your ignorance as to the Opportunity Cost of a Luxury item.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Am I? I can't help but to re-read that last paragraph and thinking how smug YOU are being. You are making yourself out to be so broke and financial tight that 1 hour lost in work and little Johny wont get mac and cheese for the weeks meal. I'm assuming you live in the states since it seems EVERYONE has become and economic expert because of our economic situation. If you live in the states then you know damn well there is opportunity to make money anywhere you go. Hell, go to a select temp job agency and do 1 days of work and BOOM now you get to play NS2...
Crying about $35... lmao... I think someone need to spend less time playing video games then..
1) NS1 was THE SH!T
2) NS2 will be THE FATHER OF ALL TURDS
So i was really happy to know i was able to both get Special Edition and have some future exclusivity regarding armor fashion and the fact that i had a justified reason to spend that extra cash to help the devs of this great game a little more.
No regrets, no regrets AT ALL and remember i don't even have my computer yet, NOW i'm building my pc because other than checking the usual emails, work and news i have a reason again to have a good gaming computer in my house to play NS2 :D
So soon, goodbye MW2, it will be all NS2 and Halo Reach! :D (same with Reach, $150 bucks for Legendary Edition FTW, epic games are priceless)
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wow bro u real cool i wanna b more liek u eh
9_9
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Wow, you really are quite daft or wilfully ignorant, aren't you? Reading comprehension not a priority with you, eh? Or being observant? Look over under your nick its says <b>From: Veneta, Oregon</b> and under mine it says <b>Ucluelet BC Canada</b> which changed recently from another location. And that's before even getting into your other assumptions which I don't really feel all that inclined in sharing with you the personal details of my family's situation. Go on thinking this is crying, you really aren't doing yourself any favours on top of your proclivity to assume rather than do some rather effortless research. And telling me to play less "video" (if you had actually read my posts you would know I don't play video games but rather PC games) games when you advertise your Steam profile: Mitchell Kinard from Eugene, Oregon, United States, Playing time: 77.2 hrs past 2 weeks ... LOL
Don't bother replying with the intent of my reading it, I figure you should end up on my ignore list for these forums just to save others the trouble of watching you flame bait me and me feel the need to defend myself from your spurious remarks.
(yes, nothing)