Pre-order/Steam question

davidcavalcantedavidcavalcante Join Date: 2009-06-08 Member: 67754Members
edited June 2009 in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Before buying...</div>Ok. I've got one question before I pre-order my Special Edition.
I know theres a FAQ (http://www.naturalselection2.com/preorderfaq) telling that there's nothing confirmed about being able to play on Steam with pre-ordered version.

I really want to pre-order the game, but I really want to put NS2 on my Steam account, too.

Is there any new information about this? Can I play alpha if I buy NS2 AFTER the alpha has already started?

Thanks.
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  • whocareswcwhocareswc Join Date: 2007-07-31 Member: 61735Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1711248:date=Jun 8 2009, 10:19 PM:name=davidcavalcante)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (davidcavalcante @ Jun 8 2009, 10:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711248"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok. I've got one question before I pre-order my Special Edition.
    I know theres a FAQ (http://www.naturalselection2.com/preorderfaq) telling that there's nothing confirmed about being able to play on Steam with pre-ordered version.

    I really want to pre-order the game, but I really want to put NS2 on my Steam account, too.

    Is there any new information about this? Can I play alpha if I buy NS2 AFTER the alpha has already started?

    Thanks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    im pretty sure u can.. looking for link now.
  • whocareswcwhocareswc Join Date: 2007-07-31 Member: 61735Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1711250:date=Jun 8 2009, 10:20 PM:name=whocareswc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (whocareswc @ Jun 8 2009, 10:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711250"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->im pretty sure u can.. looking for link now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    i was wrong.. on twitter they sid they could then they said

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If I pre-order NS2, can I play on Steam?
    There's a good chance of this, but we can't promise it yet. Once NS2 is officially on Steam and Steamworks, Valve will probably be able to make this happen. But that will be determined later. For now, we can't promise that pre-ordering NS2 will let you play on Steam.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • WhiteZeroWhiteZero That Guy Join Date: 2004-06-24 Member: 29511Members, Constellation
    Yeah, it's still kind of up in the air at this point. But we have high-hopes. It seems very likely it will all work out.
  • davidcavalcantedavidcavalcante Join Date: 2009-06-08 Member: 67754Members
    I've got the money on my hand and the only thing that won't let me buy is that question...
  • foreoneforeone Join Date: 2004-09-25 Member: 31914Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter
    same here. i only buy steam games.
  • Dalin SeivewrightDalin Seivewright 0x0000221E Join Date: 2007-10-20 Member: 62685Members, Constellation
    Why is the pre-order via Steam such a concern? The game itself can be downloaded from mostly anywhere (like Steam) and it will (AFAIK) incorporate Steamworks so you'll have your friends list, etc. What about Steam has you purchase Steam only games?
  • ljcrabsljcrabs Join Date: 2007-11-15 Member: 62924Members
    UWE need to clear this up with a front page update because it's confusing a lot of people. As far as I can see, the ONLY difference between a steam store version and a direct download version is that one will show up in your Steam games list automatically and the other can be added using the 'Add non-steam game..." button. Everything else, steam friends list, steam community overlay, automatic updates etc. are part of Steamworks, which will identical in both versions. References: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Releases" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Releases</a>
  • Xirvus.reiXirvus.rei Join Date: 2009-05-31 Member: 67579Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1711363:date=Jun 9 2009, 08:36 PM:name=ljcrabs)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ljcrabs @ Jun 9 2009, 08:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->UWE need to clear this up with a front page update because it's confusing a lot of people. As far as I can see, the ONLY difference between a steam store version and a direct download version is that one will show up in your Steam games list automatically and the other can be added using the 'Add non-steam game..." button. Everything else, steam friends list, steam community overlay, automatic updates etc. are part of Steamworks, which will identical in both versions. References: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Releases" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Releases</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah unfortunately I'd like to know if it would also be associated with Steam accounts, and be able to be downloaded via Steam.

    Well, seeing as I ended up pre-ordering, I guess the urge to get pretty armour and alpha access was greater than me caring about whether it was on Steam or not.

    I just think of it as, if it ends up being associated with our Steam accounts in the end, then that's just a bonus. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • ljcrabsljcrabs Join Date: 2007-11-15 Member: 62924Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1711365:date=Jun 9 2009, 10:53 AM:name=Xirvus.rei)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Xirvus.rei @ Jun 9 2009, 10:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711365"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah unfortunately I'd like to know if it would also be associated with Steam accounts, and be able to be downloaded via Steam.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Define associated?
  • WhiteZeroWhiteZero That Guy Join Date: 2004-06-24 Member: 29511Members, Constellation
    The way I understand it: Is that Steam is FOR SURE used for everything, except actually downloading the game through Steam is still up in the air.
  • gustavo00gustavo00 Join Date: 2009-05-28 Member: 67509Members
    There are other downloading methods than steam.

    Is it a good platform? Yeah, it is. What is the fracking difference between downloading NS2 from a dedicates UW server and adding the game to your steam games list and downloading the game via steam... and have the really same game?

    Since it is going to be full digital, at least in the begining, you bet they will have a way to let you download the game anywhere you want and just login to play.
    Don't worry, black armor and alpha always speaks higher! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1711363:date=Jun 9 2009, 03:36 AM:name=ljcrabs)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ljcrabs @ Jun 9 2009, 03:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->UWE need to clear this up with a front page update because it's confusing a lot of people. As far as I can see, the ONLY difference between a steam store version and a direct download version is that one will show up in your Steam games list automatically and the other can be added using the 'Add non-steam game..." button. Everything else, steam friends list, steam community overlay, automatic updates etc. are part of Steamworks, which will identical in both versions. References: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Releases" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Releases</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually, Steamworks games will automatically show up in Steam, you don't have to add it. The confusion actually comes from talking about a Steam version and a non-Steam version, but really there is only one version and it should be called the Steamworks version.

    Here's the breakdown:

    * Steamworks is the set of services that includes, friends, matchmaking, anti-cheat, anti-piracy, updates, achievements, DLC, etc.
    * The Steam store is a place where you can buy games
    * Steam is an application which gives an interface to the Steamworks services and the Steam store. Running Steam is required for any Steamworks game

    The right way to think about it is like Team Fortress 2. It's a Steamworks game that you can buy from the Steam store. You can also buy it in Best Buy in a box, but you're getting exactly the same thing and exactly the same services. Once you've installed it, you have exactly the same experience as if you bought it from the Steam store.
  • dazviddazvid Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67626Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1711512:date=Jun 10 2009, 08:46 AM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jun 10 2009, 08:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711512"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->...

    The right way to think about it is like Team Fortress 2. It's a Steamworks game that you can buy from the Steam store. You can also buy it in Best Buy in a box, but you're getting exactly the same thing and exactly the same services. Once you've installed it, you have exactly the same experience as if you bought it from the Steam store.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thanks for the clarification, I hope this will relieve a lot of concerns for people who are holding back from pre-ordering.
  • ctdctd Join Date: 2009-06-01 Member: 67611Members
    edited June 2009
    <!--quoteo(post=1711512:date=Jun 10 2009, 08:46 AM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jun 10 2009, 08:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711512"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually, Steamworks games will automatically show up in Steam, you don't have to add it. The confusion actually comes from talking about a Steam version and a non-Steam version, but really there is only one version and it should be called the Steamworks version.

    Here's the breakdown:

    * Steamworks is the set of services that includes, friends, matchmaking, anti-cheat, anti-piracy, updates, achievements, DLC, etc.
    * The Steam store is a place where you can buy games
    * Steam is an application which gives an interface to the Steamworks services and the Steam store. Running Steam is required for any Steamworks game

    The right way to think about it is like Team Fortress 2. It's a Steamworks game that you can buy from the Steam store. You can also buy it in Best Buy in a box, but you're getting exactly the same thing and exactly the same services. Once you've installed it, you have exactly the same experience as if you bought it from the Steam store.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sweet... So we will just be adding a code from you guys to steam to activate the game? Similar to Dawn Of War 2 if you bought it from a store. Just curious about downloading the content as in AUS we have relatively small download caps and steam content is provided as free usage to a lot of ISP's in Australia.
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The right way to think about it is like Team Fortress 2. It's a Steamworks game that you can buy from the Steam store. You can also buy it in Best Buy in a box, but you're getting exactly the same thing and exactly the same services. Once you've installed it, you have exactly the same experience as if you bought it from the Steam store.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    As I understand it, the only difference with the pre-order and the eventual steam version is where you download it from. Say you just formatted and need to re-install, instead of going to download off of steam, you just go to the unknownworlds.com website and download it. The game installs and now acts just like all your other steam games. I don't really see it taking Valve that long to let users get the steam version by authorizing their cdkey. Everything else would already be integrated and would be an easy transition.
  • chopperchopper Join Date: 2009-05-29 Member: 67537Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1711512:date=Jun 9 2009, 05:46 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jun 9 2009, 05:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711512"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually, Steamworks games will automatically show up in Steam, you don't have to add it. The confusion actually comes from talking about a Steam version and a non-Steam version, but really there is only one version and it should be called the Steamworks version.

    Here's the breakdown:

    * Steamworks is the set of services that includes, friends, matchmaking, anti-cheat, anti-piracy, updates, achievements, DLC, etc.
    * The Steam store is a place where you can buy games
    * Steam is an application which gives an interface to the Steamworks services and the Steam store. Running Steam is required for any Steamworks game

    The right way to think about it is like Team Fortress 2. It's a Steamworks game that you can buy from the Steam store. You can also buy it in Best Buy in a box, but you're getting exactly the same thing and exactly the same services. Once you've installed it, you have exactly the same experience as if you bought it from the Steam store.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thanks for the clarification. I'll pre-order the game for my wife and myself and if it could be downloaded through Steam in the future I'll consider that a nice bonus. Definitely something that I'd like to see (reason: when I need to transfer my games from one HDD or computer to another I just copy the Steam folder content and delete a .cfg file => results: I have all my 20+ games ready in 10 minutes or less without the need to reinstall anything + saved games, configurations etc; If the game is not part of steam and just linked to Steam then it needs separate install)
  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1711616:date=Jun 10 2009, 04:42 AM:name=chopper)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopper @ Jun 10 2009, 04:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711616"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanks for the clarification. I'll pre-order the game for my wife and myself and if it could be downloaded through Steam in the future I'll consider that a nice bonus. Definitely something that I'd like to see (reason: when I need to transfer my games from one HDD or computer to another I just copy the Steam folder content and delete a .cfg file => results: I have all my 20+ games ready in 10 minutes or less without the need to reinstall anything + saved games, configurations etc; If the game is not part of steam and just linked to Steam then it needs separate install)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That feature is part of the Steamworks service. A game that uses Steamworks isn't "linked" to Steam, it IS a Steam game, it's just not necessarily purchasable in the Steam store.
  • chopperchopper Join Date: 2009-05-29 Member: 67537Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1711629:date=Jun 10 2009, 08:22 AM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jun 10 2009, 08:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1711629"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That feature is part of the Steamworks service. A game that uses Steamworks isn't "linked" to Steam, it IS a Steam game, it's just not necessarily purchasable in the Steam store.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Point taken. Only good news today.
    thanks
  • davidcavalcantedavidcavalcante Join Date: 2009-06-08 Member: 67754Members
    Just pre-ordered my Special Edition. Hope the alpha doesn't take too long to come out.
  • WargodWargod Join Date: 2009-06-23 Member: 67905Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Hmm good to hear that the game will support steamworks.

    But i still don't really understand if we'll be able to add a key purchased with the pre-order option to our steam account later on.
    If the game really uses steamworks this should be possible, right?

    Right now this is the only thing keeping me from preordering it.
    Yeah i know, kinda strange, but i like having my "non boxed - download only" games all in my steamaccount.

    If there would be an official statement like "yes, you will be able to add/bind your pre-order key to your steam account", i would pre-order it right away. ;)
    But right now, the wiki and the FAQ page still tell something different.
  • SuperflySuperfly Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3485Members, Constellation
    At this point you are safer to assume no. However, if the game uses steamworks and the only difference will be that you cannot download using steam, then I do not understand what the big deal is. Yes, steam download adds a level of convenience, but it is still just a large file download.

    With that said, let me add a little NS addict peer pressure.. <!--sizeo:15--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><b>BUY IT NOW!!!!</b><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
  • CoolKakashiCoolKakashi Join Date: 2009-07-07 Member: 68071Members
    Its very important for me to know if i can put the key later on steam too! If its possible i would buy NS 2 now, but i want to know it. Its important for me! Because what are we doing when the unknown servers went off? Steam can save a longer life! :( Want NS 2!
  • Raza.Raza. Join Date: 2004-01-24 Member: 25663Members, Constellation
    What are you doing when the Steam server go down? Sure, less risk but still...

    From the pre-order FAQ:
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If I pre-order NS2, can I play on Steam?
    There's a good chance of this, but we can't promise it yet. Once NS2 is officially on Steam and Steamworks, Valve will probably be able to make this happen. But that will be determined later. For now, we can't promise that pre-ordering NS2 will let you play on Steam.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • XeZoXeZo Join Date: 2006-11-14 Member: 58597Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1712008:date=Jun 12 2009, 03:41 PM:name=davidcavalcante)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (davidcavalcante @ Jun 12 2009, 03:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1712008"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just pre-ordered my Special Edition. Hope the alpha doesn't take too long to come out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--coloro:lawngreen--><span style="color:lawngreen"><!--/coloro-->Welcome... TO HELL! >:D <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
  • ElectricFleasElectricFleas Join Date: 2007-01-14 Member: 59601Members
    As soon as NS2 is available to pre-order on Steam, I'll be buying. But no amount of reason or reassurance is going to convince me to go with another service. Like most humans, I'm a creature of habit.

    IMO Unknown Worlds needs to address this sooner rather than later. Not just because of lost (or delayed) sales, but also for promotional reasons. There is a lot of interest in NS2 out there, and UW needs to be milking it right now in every way available.

    From what I hear they've done quite well with pre-order sales. But if NS2 was on Steam right now; they would be selling far more, and getting more exposure. That's a fact.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1719799:date=Jul 28 2009, 10:31 AM:name=ElectricFleas)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ElectricFleas @ Jul 28 2009, 10:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1719799"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->From what I hear they've done quite well with pre-order sales. But if NS2 was on Steam right now; they would be selling far more, and getting more exposure. That's a fact.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Valve gets a cut when it's sold on Steam, it makes more sense for UWE to make as much money as possible by selling direct.
  • NeXuZNeXuZ Join Date: 2003-08-12 Member: 19594Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1719804:date=Jul 28 2009, 11:02 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 28 2009, 11:02 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1719804"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Valve gets a cut when it's sold on Steam, it makes more sense for UWE to make as much money as possible by selling direct.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yes, and i find the games to cost more then other "buy n download" sits like D2D (direct2drive) or retail. sure i like steam it self, just not the cost of the game. But i dont care when its Half-Life games, aka. Ep3.

    But i do hope that i can "connect/convert" to steam later on..
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    Steam games are 9 times out of 10 more expensive than what you can buy at play.com for European users. So tell me again why you're such a fan of buying Steam only games?
  • ElectricFleasElectricFleas Join Date: 2007-01-14 Member: 59601Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1719804:date=Jul 28 2009, 04:02 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 28 2009, 04:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1719804"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Valve gets a cut when it's sold on Steam, it makes more sense for UWE to make as much money as possible by selling direct.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's a reason for that; they offer a value-added service to the vendor and convenience to the customer. Just simply having the game for sale on Steam will significantly increase it's profile. Having a higher profile and a distribution service that ppl know and trust will boost sales considerably. In terms of a business/marketing strategy, it's a no-brainer.

    I don't know if it's viable for NS2 to be available on Steam at the pre-alpha stage, but they'd better have this sorted out before beta.

    <!--quoteo(post=1719837:date=Jul 28 2009, 08:08 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Jul 28 2009, 08:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1719837"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Steam games are 9 times out of 10 more expensive than what you can buy at play.com for European users. So tell me again why you're such a fan of buying Steam only games?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I like it.

    Plus, I live in Australia and it seems to be the best option in this little corner of the world. Though even if I were in the US or Europe I think I would pay a little bit extra for the service Steam provides.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    I rarely ever visit the home page of Unknown Worlds, although I did so just now and noticed this at least.

    <img src="http://www.clorf.com/images/steam1.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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