How to make your clan work

LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
including semi active players
Lots of players in NS are semi active and can't play at all hours of the day, they use this excuse to not attempt competative.

This is my solution, it is tried and tested by my clan. We reached the finals of our division this season and we will continue to improve.

It is aimed at long term.

The general idea is you have a large number of players, >20 people, some active to form a 'core', some semi active to keep pcws happening. The theory is, if you have enough people in the team, if at any time a player in the team wants a pcw.. they can find atleast four other people from the team to play with! (then get a merc)

Rules to make it work:

º Players MUST idle on irc when they can play.
º Players MUST sign up in the pcw list if they want to play.
º Commanders need to organise pcws.
º Inactive players still need to be kicked.

There are channels for finding games such as #ns.search (quakenet), #findnsscrim (gamesurge)

You can organise the games in advance, eg. make a topic for "pcw @ 18cet" for today or "pcw weds evening" for weds evening? Depends when you want to play.. people WILL sign up.

Warning:
This method doesn't produce immediate results for pcws but the increase in overall activity of the clan will help lots.
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members Posts: 6,411 Fully active user
    You're the man Lump! I love your passion for keeping NS alive.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members Posts: 2,254
    no

    this is how to make your clan work: get 8-9 players that are old enough to be free of restrictions regarding the use of a computer, and who are mature enough to not rage at least too often. then make sure everyones cellphone number is in the other team members' knowledge, and just call people to get on the computer
    <DOOManiac> my main thing about clans is they never seem to actually have fun when playing
    <DOOManiac> even if they're winning they are so caught up in the seriousness of the situation they don't have fun. its like work. where's the fun in that?


    last.fm
  • LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
    edited July 2007
    and about 5% of the populatoin can do that... so lets not do anything else and wait for ns to die.. GOOD IDEA

    If you'd bother to read the whole post you'd realise you're not saying something relevant to the situation i'm resolving. You're just talking out your ass.
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  • TalisTalis Join Date: 2005-01-21 Member: 36519Members, Constellation Posts: 52
    dude, that worked well in levitacus!
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  • LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
    the thing with small clans is.. once a player leaves for reason X, the team suffers... and unless you have a good level of activity in atleast 5 people.. not much will happen leading to a clan dieing... it happens to about 30% of clans in under 2 months.. they just die.
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  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation Posts: 2,192
    The problem is that there are just not enough people to form such large clans. And if they are formed, there is usually a shortage of clans to scrim against.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members Posts: 1,119
    Have one player who is going to organize scrims, recruit new players, get you on the server and just generally keep the wheels greased and prevent disbanding after a month.
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  • LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
    There aren't a shortage of players... trust me.

    If a clan is dependant on one player it puts a lot of pressure on that player to have... no life. LOL. Especially if the rest of the team is ambitious.
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  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members Posts: 1,119
    Every clan that succeeds has someone driving them on though. Knife had bobbi. Lessthanthree had myself. Terror had mustang. Exigent had pain user etc etc. But yeh, they don't get to have a life smile-fix.gif

    I had nothing else to do when while I was waiting to be 18 though.
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  • fanaticfanatic This post has been edited. Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18377Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue Posts: 1,727
    Knife had bobbi!?

    ###### you.
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members Posts: 1,119
    FANA WAS THE LYNCH PIN IN KNIFE AND TEAM NEWROPE AND NINELEGENDS AND HE EVEN HELPED ENCOURAGE LESSTHANTHREE :]
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  • fanaticfanatic This post has been edited. Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18377Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue Posts: 1,727
    edited July 2007
    Damn straight.

    Hell, the only reason <3 ever did anything was because I fueled your ragemachine with great bursts of antagonism.
  • MuYeahMuYeah Join Date: 2006-12-26 Member: 59261Members Posts: 610
    Credit where credit's due: That was me and swirl plz
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members Posts: 2,254
    QUOTE(MuYeah @ Jul 15 2007, 10:54 PM) »

    Credit where credit's due: That was me and swirl plz


    no you all deserved the credits
    <DOOManiac> my main thing about clans is they never seem to actually have fun when playing
    <DOOManiac> even if they're winning they are so caught up in the seriousness of the situation they don't have fun. its like work. where's the fun in that?


    last.fm
  • LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
    I'm sure you lot can see how the large team idea would work for a less ambitious team.. even for an ambitious team if they have 2 or 3 75% active leaders? tounge.gif
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  • ShockwaveShockwave If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation Posts: 3,730 mod
    Kudos to lump on at least trying, however. Whether you agree with him or not, the effort should be appreciated. smile-fix.gif

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  • Maxx1Maxx1 Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23824Members Posts: 64
    edited July 2007
    To be honest a big part of the problem is the many pubbers refusing to try competitive because of the general "clanners are evil elitist ######s, so Im not goint to be any part of it" rubbish going arround now.That kind of attitude is somewhat fueld by claners (like myself) who go on public and open up nice big bottle of whine.
    The funny thing is that when you actually get one of these guys to try an organised match they almost instantly retract everything they said about pubs vs competitive.

    My point is that to keep organised NS alive new players must constantly be drafted so pubbers need to be encouraged to try competitive rather than the opposite.
    This also means that clanleaders shoulden't be afraid to pick up some unexperianced (in competitive terms) players from public to train them up instead of just shuffling arround the existing batch of active players.That's where Lumps big roster system comes in handy too, you can have all the players you want and some new faces as well, after all, most of the time at least one of your prime squad wont be available anyway, so you may as well use this opportunity to give the new player a go. They get to know (and hopefully pick up interest in) cometitive play while you get to have your pcw/scrim.

    To sum up:
    If you're a CL, dont be afraid of new players
    If you're a clanner, dont whine on pubs (or if you have to be an ass at least dont wear your tag)
    and to all those pubbers out there, dont knock it till you try it.
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation Posts: 4,111 mod
    edited July 2007
    I would have put the emphasis on the second line of your summary. To me it looks like the clan scene is the one looking for help, and therefore the onus to change is on you, not the pub scene.

    I tried clanning a couple of times, but quit both times due to an intolerable level of vulgar abuse and racism I had to suffer through ( which wasn't directed at me, but that makes it no less offensive ). I've tried clanning, gathers etc and I still prefer pubbing any day.
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  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members Posts: 1,119
    God, I really love casual racism.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members Posts: 2,254
    edited July 2007
    the problem is that pubbers think they know how clan games work and therefore dismiss them

    QUOTE
    To me it looks like the clan scene is the one looking for help, and therefore the onus to change is on you, not the pub scene.

    well at least one of the two is looking for help, too bad that only solves half of ns's problems at best
    <DOOManiac> my main thing about clans is they never seem to actually have fun when playing
    <DOOManiac> even if they're winning they are so caught up in the seriousness of the situation they don't have fun. its like work. where's the fun in that?


    last.fm
  • AnimeLOLAnimeLOL Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58275Members Posts: 118 Fully active user
    edited July 2007
    QUOTE(TOmekki @ Jul 16 2007, 06:36 PM) »

    the problem is that pubbers think they know how clan games work and therefore dismiss them
    well at least one of the two is looking for help, too bad that only solves half of ns's problems at best

    I've been pubbing for a long time now, and I am interested in joining the competitive scene, although I recognize that what skill I had thought I had is really so-so (or worse sad-fix.gif )in the competitive world. TOmekki, so what is so different between a clan game and a highly organized pub game (which is what I do)? The problem with me joining competitive is time. I'll be starting undergrad in the fall and at my particular institution, I will be without time guarenteed.

    P.S. I have had a lot of people complain about my rates. I did a search and tried to fix them, but still not great. I see everyone else fine, which makes me think is a cl_updaterate problem. I can get ~60 kb/s upload speed, so what is a good updaterate for that? My ping is always great <60
  • fanaticfanatic This post has been edited. Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18377Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue Posts: 1,727
    edited July 2007
    QUOTE(AnimeLOL @ Jul 16 2007, 11:51 PM) »

    P.S. I have had a lot of people complain about my rates. I did a search and tried to fix them, but still not great. I see everyone else fine, which makes me think is a cl_updaterate problem. I can get ~60 kb/s upload speed, so what is a good updaterate for that? My ping is always great <60

    It's a common excuse for getting owned. Just like someone saying "lol lag", "lol reg", "lol wtf u bs hacker turn off ur cheetos mother ######". Ignore them.

    Good raters are (for example)
    rate "20000"
    cl_cmdbackup "5"
    cl_cmdrate "100"
    cl_updaterate "50"
    cl_lc "1"
    cl_lw "1"
    ex_interp "0.08"
    ex_extrapmax "1.2"

    QUOTE(puzl @ Jul 16 2007, 06:39 PM) »

    I would have put the emphasis on the second line of your summary. To me it looks like the clan scene is the one looking for help, and therefore the onus to change is on you, not the pub scene.

    I tried clanning a couple of times, but quit both times due to an intolerable level of vulgar abuse and racism I had to suffer through ( which wasn't directed at me, but that makes it no less offensive ). I've tried clanning, gathers etc and I still prefer pubbing any day.

    Either you have some seriously baby thin skin or you've been talking to the wrong people -- in which case it's time to use the ingame mute functionality or just hud_saytext 0. I prefer pubbing to gathers as well, I don't particularily like either however.
  • LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
    QUOTE(AnimeLOL @ Jul 16 2007, 04:51 PM) »

    I've been pubbing for a long time now, and I am interested in joining the competitive scene, although I recognize that what skill I had thought I had is really so-so (or worse sad-fix.gif )in the competitive world. TOmekki, so what is so different between a clan game and a highly organized pub game (which is what I do)? The problem with me joining competitive is time. I'll be starting undergrad in the fall and at my particular institution, I will be without time guarenteed.

    P.S. I have had a lot of people complain about my rates. I did a search and tried to fix them, but still not great. I see everyone else fine, which makes me think is a cl_updaterate problem. I can get ~60 kb/s upload speed, so what is a good updaterate for that? My ping is always great <60


    Read the initial post.
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  • AnimeLOLAnimeLOL Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58275Members Posts: 118 Fully active user
    QUOTE(Lump @ Jul 16 2007, 11:53 PM) »

    Read the initial post.

    I'm asking about the difference between scrims and competent, skilled pub play.
  • N_3N_3 &#092;o/ Join Date: 2004-03-12 Member: 27291Members, Constellation Posts: 487
    the problem with huge clans, is that you could boost the competitive scene even more if they were 2 smaller clans! although i guess this needs more of them to be core players. still, i guess its the best way to make something out of semi-active players. my clan for a long time had a core team of 5 and then 5 or so semi-active players of which one would normally be around to fill the spot.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members Posts: 2,254
    QUOTE(AnimeLOL @ Jul 17 2007, 12:58 AM) »

    I'm asking about the difference between scrims and competent, skilled pub play.

    theres no such thing as competent, skilled pub play. the nature of pubs is that theyre public. meaning anyone can join. meaning idiots/noobs will join. if you lock up the server, get on vent and ready then it isnt a pub anymore.

    on the other hand, scrims between low (mediocre) level teams arent that far from pubs in terms of skill, coordination and the behaviour of players (mm1).

    i guess im not the right person to give a proper answer because when i say competetive or clan game or scrim or whatever, im thinking about games between nl, <3, sauna, knife, insane, wb, whatever the best clans i played against or with were when i played in clans.

    those games, granted they werent really that serious and competetive, were still light years ahead of pubs. its ridiculous to start thinking about the differences because everything was different, except the maps and the weapons
    <DOOManiac> my main thing about clans is they never seem to actually have fun when playing
    <DOOManiac> even if they're winning they are so caught up in the seriousness of the situation they don't have fun. its like work. where's the fun in that?


    last.fm
  • LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
    I like how tommeki only considers prem games as worth while.

    I think he's talking a complete load of bollocks btw, even at a low level the organisation behind the rounds is far superior to public.

    QUOTE(N_3 @ Jul 17 2007, 01:25 AM) »

    the problem with huge clans, is that you could boost the competitive scene even more if they were 2 smaller clans! although i guess this needs more of them to be core players. still, i guess its the best way to make something out of semi-active players. my clan for a long time had a core team of 5 and then 5 or so semi-active players of which one would normally be around to fill the spot.


    No it wouldn't, I've had smaller clans and they die and don't play half the time, we're almost acting as 2 clans right now but we have a much higher chance of fielding six at any moment

    QUOTE(puzl @ Jul 16 2007, 11:39 AM) »

    I would have put the emphasis on the second line of your summary. To me it looks like the clan scene is the one looking for help, and therefore the onus to change is on you, not the pub scene.

    I tried clanning a couple of times, but quit both times due to an intolerable level of vulgar abuse and racism I had to suffer through ( which wasn't directed at me, but that makes it no less offensive ). I've tried clanning, gathers etc and I still prefer pubbing any day.


    What the buggery are you on about.

    There are morons in the clan scene.
    There are morons in the public scene.
    There are morons in the forums.
    There are morons in the devs.

    Saying the comp scene needs to change its attitude is a load of turd.

    I've suffered intolerable levels of ###### talk on publics and I've seen masses of public players judge the comp scene based on a MORON public player they IMMEDIATELY assumed was clanned .
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  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation Posts: 4,111 mod
    I probably came off more confrontational than I intended to be. You know I put a lot of weight on the competitive scene and do what I can to help it when I can. There might be morons everywhere, I'm certainly not looking for a utopian social experience when I play NS, however I tend to shy away from groups that are overly accepting of racism, no matter how casual. I don't get offended or upset over it, it's just a personal preference of mine, and one I don't need to justify.

    My suggestion that it is the clan scene that should be motivated to change still stands. I know countless people who would consider clanning if they saw something done about the level of abuse dished around. Take any of the high profile shoutcasts we have advertised here. I really feel for the random NSPlayer who joins the event to see nothing but vulgar spamming of voice text and presenters of the shoutcast partaking of vulgar racist slurs. I've had people PM me afterwards asking how we can put such events on the front page of the forums and I always reply by saying that the benefit of promoting the clan scene far outweighs the negative experience some people take from it.

    Perhaps you don't want people who take offense to some language, but I think you do, and I think many in ENSL agree with me on this.

    Take this topic:

    http://ensl.zanith.nl/forums/viewtopic.php?t=268
    QUOTE

    1) Ask public-joe what he thinks about clan players - the majority of the time you will see the same comments popping up :
    o Bad Attitude
    o Ruins the game
    This needs to end. I know firsthand as many of you do that the majority of competetive players are nice, relatively friendly, amiable people.


    I agree with the final point. The majority of competitive players are relatively friendly and amiable. A minority of clan players are not, and these players are generally allowed to run amok with their offensive behaviour and are often encouraged by those who should know better. I do believe that if the ENSL took a position to try to prevent such behaviour there would be more interest in joining up.
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  • LumpLump Join Date: 2003-04-16 Member: 15558Members Posts: 341
    don't you find southpark, family guy, the simpsons, futurama, monkey dust, jam, brass eye or anything along those lines amusing? Afaik they are quite popular and the levels of abuse/racism they dish out is off the scale.
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  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation Posts: 4,111 mod
    I'm a big fan of most of the shows you have listed. I like South Park in particular for its clever depiction of popular culture and the way it uses satire and exaggeration to make valid comments. I think it is great that such a show can still be shown on US TV. The day that shows like South Park get censored will be a sad day for freedom of speech, something I care very strongly about. I don't think any words or ideas should be banned from use in general, but private organisations get to set their own terms of behaviour and I personally am turned off from organisations that allow casual racism. I see no contradiction here.

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