I need to find something in the Bible, a character.

HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">And I don't know where to look - do you?</div>I don't want to start a religious discussion or debate here. I'm just typing a paper and the bible would be a good source to use, if I could only find a character which <b>began</b> with doubt, and then <b>ended</b> with faith.

Does anyone know of such a character that exists in the bible, and where I might find them? Thanks.
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  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
    Isn't that Job?
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    no, he starts with faith and never loses it despite all the hell that he is put through. (If I remember correctly)
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  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    edited March 2007
    Thomas doubted Christ's resurection till he saw the holes in his hands. <strike>I think that might have been in the book of Matthew.</strike> It's John 20:24-29.
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  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    accountabilabuddyable
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Thanks for the help all. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    Could you not find the bit in the chapter list?
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  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    doubting thomas - that's me.

    I've yet to stick my hand into a gaping spear wound though.
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    edited March 2007
    Cornelius

    Edit: Oh, and Saul/Paul. Started out as a Jewish pharisee (I think?) and was converted after being blinded by a super-holy-laser-of-blinding +5.
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  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1614635:date=Mar 15 2007, 05:14 PM:name=enf0rcer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(enf0rcer @ Mar 15 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]1614635[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    doubting thomas - that's me.

    I've yet to stick my hand into a gaping spear wound though.
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    What!? You gotta try that - tons of fun.
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  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    <a href="http://www.thebricktestament.com/" target="_blank">http://www.thebricktestament.com/</a>
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  • frostymoosefrostymoose Join Date: 2003-09-12 Member: 20799Members
    edited March 2007
    The most obvious example to me is Paul. It's more dramatic than cshanks said though. He was travelling down the road to Damascus to persecute a group of early Christians, but God came to him and he was converted. This is probably the most important example as Paul was greatly responsible for the spread of Christianity in the early days of the Church.
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  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    edited March 2007
    I can answer this thanks to Bill Hicks' sketch on 'Dinosaurs in the bible'

    'And Jesus and the disciples walked down the path toward Nazarath, but oh the trail was blocked by a <i>giant Brontosaurus</i>, with a splinter in his paw. And the disciples did run a-screaming "What a big !*%$ing lizard, lord!". "I'm sure going to mention this in <i>my</i> book", said Luke. "Well I'm sure going to mention it in <i>my</i> book!", said Matthew. "I'm not sure what I saw...", <i>said Thomas</i>. Timothy nudged him; "It's a big !*%$ing lizard, Thomas!"'

    *edit*
    Too late I realised I should probably have put that quote in some kind of context... Mr. Hicks is trying to wrap his head around the idea that fundamentalist christians believe the world is 12,000 years old, and thus is wondering where dinosaurs come into the picture.
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    I must thank the Brick Testament.

    I didn't know that the bible endorsed slavery.


    Now I do. Now I can laugh at church once again. (Instead of falling asleep and drooling all over the powerpoint note storage-laptop.)
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  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615176:date=Mar 17 2007, 05:52 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Mar 17 2007, 05:52 PM) [snapback]1615176[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I must thank the Brick Testament.

    I didn't know that the bible endorsed slavery.
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    I prefer offering virgin daughters to ravenous hordes of men.. but that's just me....and noah.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615184:date=Mar 17 2007, 03:49 PM:name=enf0rcer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(enf0rcer @ Mar 17 2007, 03:49 PM) [snapback]1615184[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I prefer offering virgin daughters to ravenous hordes of men.. but that's just me....and noah.
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    They're not ravenous. It's a city full of homosexuals, remember? He offered his daughter to do housework or something.
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615185:date=Mar 17 2007, 05:55 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 17 2007, 05:55 PM) [snapback]1615185[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    They're not ravenous. It's a city full of homosexuals, remember? He offered his daughter to do housework or something.
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    But... Us homosexuals do our OWN housework.


    It's gotta be fahbewlouse, afterall.
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  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    edited March 2007
    Uhh... Moses?

    But then again, Moses was converted simply by seeing a talking, burning bush, not exactly the time to doubt the Almighty.
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  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615185:date=Mar 17 2007, 06:55 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 17 2007, 06:55 PM) [snapback]1615185[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    He offered his daughter to do housework or something.
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    haha, I very much doubt that was his meaning - but hey, PG13 versions work well too I guess.

    Whatever, I'm an atheist so it's all fiction to me anyway.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615617:date=Mar 19 2007, 10:11 AM:name=enf0rcer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(enf0rcer @ Mar 19 2007, 10:11 AM) [snapback]1615617[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    haha, I very much doubt that was his meaning - but hey, PG13 versions work well too I guess.

    Whatever, I'm an atheist so it's all fiction to me anyway.
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    Well it's not like a big group of homosexual guys is going to do anything R-rated to some girl.
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  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615646:date=Mar 19 2007, 03:51 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 19 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]1615646[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Well it's not like a big group of homosexual guys is going to do anything R-rated to some girl.
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    that wasn't my point; it was his intention that they rape his daughter rather than the man he's trying to save from them. The bible is full of nasty stuff like that, and I'm pretty sure this isn't the only time women are being offered sexually.

    Whatever it's totally offtopic now, and as I say, either way it's fiction to me so it doesn't really matter.
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  • CxwfCxwf Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13168Members, Constellation
    edited March 2007
    That wasn't Noah, by the way. I believe you're thinking of Lot.

    Lot was facing an angry mob that was probably eager to lynch his visitor, possibly after having some "fun" with him. They would have been best handled with riot gear and fire hoses, but Lot didn't have either of those at hand, so he tried to pacify them with a girl instead.

    Perfect solution? No, not really, but what would you have done exactly? They were real big on Hospitality in that culture, so letting his guest get molested and then killed was not a real great option either.
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  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615659:date=Mar 19 2007, 05:06 PM:name=Cxwf)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cxwf @ Mar 19 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]1615659[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    so he tried to pacify them with a girl instead.

    Perfect solution? No, not really, but what would you have done exactly? They were real big on Hospitality in that culture, so letting his guest get molested and then killed was not a real great option either.
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    haha, oh man. It's clear we have different moral standards so i'll just leave it at that.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    What do <i>you</i> think he offered his daughter up for? Like I said, it's a bunch of guys who like other guys. They're not going to do anything real bad to the chick. It's like if you and a group of friends got some 14 year old boy for a day. You'd probably have him clean out your garage or something.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
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    What do <i>you</i> think he offered his daughter up for? Like I said, it's a bunch of guys who like other guys. They're not going to do anything real bad to the chick. It's like if you and a group of friends got some 14 year old boy for a day. You'd probably have him clean out your garage or something.
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    that or kill him and eat him.....
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  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615728:date=Mar 19 2007, 10:41 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Mar 19 2007, 10:41 PM) [snapback]1615728[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    that or kill him and eat him.....
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    Nono, those would be <i>cannibals</i>.

    Contrary to popular belief, homosexuals are <b>not</b> cannibals.
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  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    edited March 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1615727:date=Mar 19 2007, 10:36 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 19 2007, 10:36 PM) [snapback]1615727[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    What do <i>you</i> think he offered his daughter up for? Like I said, it's a bunch of guys who like other guys. They're not going to do anything real bad to the chick. It's like if you and a group of friends got some 14 year old boy for a day. You'd probably have him clean out your garage or something.
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    it doesn't matter that they didn't want to, it's the principle of the offer itself- the father lot (thanks for the correction) would <i>rather </i>them have their way with his daughter than some strangers he invites into his house. Wikipedia pretty much spells it out
    "The men of Sodom sought to rape (in some translations, meet) the angels (19:5). Lot offers the men his virgin daughters instead (19:8), but the men are not interested."

    I don't think "virgin" in this context is meant purely as descriptive flavor - it's implied that they should rape the girls instead of the angels, but don't because they are homosexual.


    all this from a little comment - I have such little self control haha. Please provoke me no further!

    e/ oh and wikipedia reminded me that lot also had drunken incest love with his children haha. What a role model - like there's anyway you can be drunk enough to have sex with your daughters unaware, they are in a cave miles away from anyone and some women come knocking each night to have sex with him? dduuuurrr
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  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1615732:date=Mar 19 2007, 11:01 PM:name=enf0rcer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(enf0rcer @ Mar 19 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]1615732[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    it doesn't matter that they didn't want to, it's the principle of the offer itself- the father lot (thanks for the correction) would <i>rather </i>them have their way with his daughter than some strangers he invites into his house. Wikipedia pretty much spells it out
    "The men of Sodom sought to rape (in some translations, meet) the angels (19:5). Lot offers the men his virgin daughters instead (19:8), but the men are not interested."

    I don't think "virgin" in this context is meant purely as descriptive flavor - it's implied that they should rape the girls instead of the angels, but don't because they are homosexual.
    all this from a little comment - I have such little self control haha. Please provoke me no further!
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    Strange stuff in the bible and related books?! This is IMPOSSIBLE. Somebody call the pope!
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
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    Strange stuff in the bible and related books?! This is IMPOSSIBLE. Somebody call the pope!
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    No way. Catholics have even MORE bible then the other Christians.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
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    Nono, those would be <i>cannibals</i>.

    Contrary to popular belief, homosexuals are <b>not</b> cannibals.
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    butbutbutbutbut.....

    They eat human meat.....



    (actually, the post I had been responding to was asking would "<i>you</i>" do, and that was what I was responding to <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> )
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  • CxwfCxwf Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13168Members, Constellation
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    e/ oh and wikipedia reminded me that lot also had drunken incest love with his children haha. What a role model - <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, I don't think Lot was really held up as a "role model" as such, they just reported his story as a historical fact. His brother Abraham was suppposed to be the role model. Abraham wound up being much richer and was blessed by God, while Lot...um...well, Lot's wife was struck down by divine wrath and turned into a pillar of salt, remember? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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