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Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

so you want me to give you the money? sounds good to me

ZiGGY · March 2004

Apparantly we have to "very selective" D: bunch of double standard whinearses ;p Calling all masters of AW to advise <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Wheeee · March 2004

ok, so basically we've been discussing who should and shouldn't join TSA in the irc channel, and here's who we have so far:

Transmission (crisp)
RAtPM (Salaman)
Wheeee (Wheeee)
Stakhanov (Boukharine? i think...i'm not 100% sure)
comb@t (nscombat)
Raydenuni (raydenuni) <- not registered on the forums
Zigg (nsZigg)

anyone else? We need high point-scorers and experienced players. Anyone know what siberian dingo is doing? 404notfound?

Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

id dont know if im good nuff for alliance, i only have 171 points as of now

EDIT
i need to upgrade my science too, i have level 0 econ, energy and bio 4, and social is friggen 10, everything else 15

Salaman · March 2004

EDIT: I see you already got me down, good.

Also Buxe (my brother) was beaten, so...you can take him off the list.

Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

damn i wish my school didnt have irc filtered

Wheeee · March 2004

buxe?

GreyPaws · March 2004

I sat out this round, but I finished beta 4 second (or third) in the TSA and in the top 150 in game.

Salaman · March 2004

Yes, he was on the list of players that comb@t(I believe) poster earlier, he's done for now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /> so I justed wanted to let you guys know

Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

zigg i sent you the 5300

Nikon · March 2004

i dont want to be part of the official alliance, but an unspoken backer there in. I would love to see TSA have a decent ranking this round. Me and Khan have control of one system, and are working on claiming another. I am about to take my 9th planet, ships will arrive on Wed. Then I will launch an offensive on the only active player in that system, hopefully with the aide of Khan. I am more than willing to donate cash to help the official memebrs out. Just pm me in game NS_Nikon -Alpha Albireo (-11/-52)- and -Alpha Deneb el Adige (-9/-50)-. Ive only got 146 points, but taking out 4 lvl 11 starbases and a few lvl 10's should fix that soon.

Wheeee · March 2004

The alliance should be up within a few minutes.

Once again, post here, or go to #tsaaw on irc.gamesurge.net if you think you should be included in the alliance.

es_quatro · March 2004

If you think you might go over 200 points.

SEND appropriate emails or make communication, and DON'T log into AW until you have confirmation that it has been sent.

An invite can still be sent after you go over 200 points. You score is only updated when signing in. So if it is about to go over simply don't sign in.

I had to do this last beta and be idle for like 15 or so hours. All day <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Regards

Shzar · March 2004

I guess I can be part of the alliance, though I don't have much experience with this game, and am only 124 points as of yet (although, that's because the other people in my system all went AFK). Anyway, I'll leave my admittance up to those guys in charge.

NSShzar @ Alpha Phoenice 3/-54

Xyth · March 2004

There hasn't been much action in my area(except for my ally being a complete moron) so I'm about to start a fight with this one alliance. Wish me luck ;D

ZiGGY · March 2004

Alliance up-

Invites sent:

Wheeee
Salaman
Crisp
NSPIRATE

Ashaman_Joe · March 2004

I've got Phyisics 13, and 8984 PP to spend. Should I wait on BS to start building my fleet, or compose it of destroyers?

Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

im invading my next system soon, the guy im attacking has only 5 planets but a large defence at each, so hopefully i will level up a few times, nuketheplace and 1 guy i have a nap with will help me, im goin in first so wish me luck

oh and after i get secured im gonna save up and try to get a few more trade agreements going, who is a pretty good level? im only 11 as of now but should be 13-14 by the time im ready to send out NAPs

Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 22 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I've got Phyisics 13, and 8984 PP to spend. Should I wait on BS to start building my fleet, or compose it of destroyers? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
battle ships fair better against starbases and are far more intimidating, id go BS

unless its gonna take you 2 days to get level 15 phys, than go destroyers

Ashaman_Joe · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 22 2004, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 22 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I've got Phyisics 13, and 8984 PP to spend. Should I wait on BS to start building my fleet, or compose it of destroyers? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
battle ships fair better against starbases and are far more intimidating, id go BS

unless its gonna take you 2 days to get level 15 phys, than go destroyers  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I think I'm mainly going to be attacking SBs, but it will take me at least 2 days to get lvl 15 Physics. Dern.

Destroyers it is then.

CplDavis · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 22 2004, 07:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 22 2004, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 22 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I've got Phyisics 13, and 8984 PP to spend. Should I wait on BS to start building my fleet, or compose it of destroyers? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
battle ships fair better against starbases and are far more intimidating, id go BS

unless its gonna take you 2 days to get level 15 phys, than go destroyers </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I think I'm mainly going to be attacking SBs, but it will take me at least 2 days to get lvl 15 Physics. Dern.

Destroyers it is then. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Actualy do the math.

Try inputing it in the battle calculator.

Put 100 destoryers against a lvl 10 star base (or anything so that you WILL LOSE!)

Look at your winning chance.

Chance to win 0.24974====== <b>0.75026</b>
Combat Value (XP) 227 ======300

Now since 1 battleship = 20 destoryers in cost. 100 destroyers = 5 battleships
Not put 5 battleships agasint the same level 10 starbase.

Chance to win 0.27559====== <b>0.72441</b>
Combat Value (XP) 227======300

No matter what your science levels or custom cutlure attackand defense etc.. The same ammount of destroyers will ALWAYS have just a tad bit better chance at
winning.
HOWEVER the trade off is that you will have more ship # losses by sending in destroyers rather then battleships as in hypothetically a damaged battleship will equal an entire loss of that 1 ship while with a destroyer being = to 20 BS then you wil only lose so many destoyers. Hut again you get exact ship losses rather then losses to "partialy damaged ships" counting as 1 entire ship.

In other words If you have a battle where you would lose 20% of a BS thats = to losing 4 destroyers. You will lose that entire rest of the 16 destroyers if you invested into the single BS where as if you had attacked with 20 destroyers you would end up with 16 destroyers instead of losing all 20.

In big fleets with multiple battles this can be a big difference.

Mathmatically speaking if you are 100% sure you will win, Cruisers will give you the best advantage. Followed by destoryers and battleships.

But when it all comes down too it BS are just for massive intimidation lol. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />
Kinda like the Onos. and nothing says pwned lik a herd of Oni coming right for ya.

Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

i was basically saying what davis said, in my experience i lost far less ships worth of pp when useing battle ships

Mullet · March 2004

Hey, can I get an invite for TSA?

my names Mullet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

and on a side note.....I have 10,500 dollars and I don't know what to do with it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

Wheeee · March 2004

you can help pulse^ beat off a 2000 cv fleet coming his way <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

2of12B0RG · March 2004

You can invite me if you want...

I am NSBeavis

NumbersNotFound · March 2004

I'm at 404NotFound, as always.. and i'm ranked in the mid to lower 500s-upper 400s, so i'm doing pretty good.. so invite please <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Wheeee · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 22 2004, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> id dont know if im good nuff for alliance, i only have 171 points as of now

EDIT
i need to upgrade my science too, i have level 0 econ, energy and bio 4, and social is friggen 10, everything else 15  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
start researching, boy. we need your extra points.

Wheeee · March 2004

On that topic, I'd just like to reiterate: The point of TSA is to win, or place high. We want high scorers (the higher, the better). Basically that means, if you don't have 170+ points by tomorrow, you probably won't be able to get in. The way alliance score is calculated is that the score of the members is averaged, so people with low scores will "drag us down." This may sound harsh, but really TSA is supposed to be competitive. If you do have the points, pm zigg your info, and we'll see that you're added.

If you don't want to compete (and be competitive), TSA is not for you. The unofficial NS alliance is there for the "for-fun" players, and I'll be happy to donate money to help start that if needed, but just to reiterate: the people in the TSA will be playing hardball.

Hope this clears some things up,

Wheeee

Transmission · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Mar 23 2004, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> On that topic, I'd just like to reiterate: The point of TSA is to win, or place high. We want high scorers (the higher, the better). Basically that means, if you don't have 170+ points by tomorrow, you probably won't be able to get in. The way alliance score is calculated is that the score of the members is averaged, so people with low scores will "drag us down." This may sound harsh, but really TSA is supposed to be competitive. If you do have the points, pm zigg your info, and we'll see that you're added.

If you don't want to compete (and be competitive), TSA is not for you. The unofficial NS alliance is there for the "for-fun" players, and I'll be happy to donate money to help start that if needed, but just to reiterate: the people in the TSA will be playing hardball.

Hope this clears some things up,

Wheeee  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Very well said. Thanks.

Har_Har_the_Pirate · March 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Mar 22 2004, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 22 2004, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> id dont know if im good nuff for alliance, i only have 171 points as of now

EDIT
i need to upgrade my science too, i have level 0 econ, energy and bio 4, and social is friggen 10, everything else 15 </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
start researching, boy. we need your extra points. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
ummmm, i had 161 and didnt mean to put 171, i didnt think i was going to make it into the alliance in the first place and it wasnt my intent to lie, but dont worry, ill be up to 175-180 soon, cuz 2 of my sciences are only level 0 which will get me points uber fast and im getting my next planet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

and im only 10 points behind you

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