Natural Selection Petition
Dan_McFoo
Join Date: 2004-03-08 Member: 27231Members
Join Date: 2004-03-08 Member: 27231Members
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And for marines vs "marines". Well we would need a new team. Maybe as I've seen suggested before in antoher thread rebel's vs the TSA since they aren't really beloved by most of the other people in the galaxy. A rebel team would be the logical next step for NS.
But I will sign the petition since it's one step in an unused area of the NS gameplay and will make this already great mod even better <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Is it at all possible to create a marine vs marine map at the moment?</span>
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Change my mind about signing it. It is not complete as I would like it to be...
And at the moment such a map won't work just like <b>BlackPlague</b> said. The suggestions I made aren't realistic at the moment, maybe in later versions of NS
Wow... I've never seen anyone accidentally post in 4 different forums before. Don't worry though, I fixed it.
I'm pretty sure that Flayra's said before that he's going to do it, just in time.
I'm pretty sure that Flayra's said before that he's going to do it, just in time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Waiting would be to easy...
As has been stated, AvA and MvM is something we want to do. It's just a matter of resource allocation--each member of the team is actively working on other projects at the moment.
I'm very excited about some of the things we have in store for NS fans, and I know that Flay is, too. Good things come to those who wait <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
Nononono. I'd like to see the original ship crew, the ones who scoop coal and keeps machines running, fighting for their lives! And instead of knifes they'd have wrenches and *cough*crowbars*cough* <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You are such a tease Cagey <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Anyway,
1) Flayra has already stated he wants MVM and AVA, its just a principal of whether he wants to be spending all his time coding it, figuring out how in hell its going to be balanced out, and the obvious prospect of extra artwork, (ie. new models)
2) When was the last time you ever saw an online petition work?
its just like starcraft was build... but the problem will be the same with ns as with starcraft: the matches one side versus the same side is
1: COMPLETELY and I mean completely unrealistic!
2: I isnt much fun. the starcraft marines-marines , zerk-zerk , protoss-protoss missions were completely boring, because the units worked the same. boring fights
3: its the root-idea of cs. bAh WAhH ErKK!!! let it be! plz! just this time! the combat mode is bad enough but a marine-marine alien-alien mode would destroy the atmosphere that is left.
if there must be something new I would most likely see some mercenary troops in the game that work totaly different, with a combinition of long range and short range weapons, maybe some more special gadgets but less buildings/structurs/whatever to care for... but in this case no marine-alien-mercenary mode...
*sigh*... its senseless... the mod will develop, o the good or to the bad, its not longer up to the players... sad....
I mean, it kind of defeats natural selection and what its about.
Its really Counter-Strike with the NS menu screen.
This would not create atmosphere, nor would it advance the Natural Selection gameplay that has being getting tweaked from every release.
Although this might attract more players who dont really like ns at the mo, I feel it could harm the present NS-community.
What are your purposes or targets when creating this game-style?
Marine Vs Marine? I mean, why?
The back-story is gonna have to be impressive.
But yeah, if there's going to be MvM and AvA, then both sides should be different or it'll get boring
For MvM you could have one team being the TSA, with the cc and stuff. The other would be some kind of 'space pirates', with different weapons and structures. The pirates wouldn't have a commander, instead they would place down structures themselves like the current alien team.
For AvA, there could maybe be something where the Hivemind would disobey the Bacterium, and as such the Bacterium sends in a new type of creatures. Instead of a hive, they would live off the Bacterium, which constantly feeds them and keeps them alive. These would evolve with time instead of by new hives or gestating. Slowly, they would get better things, or evolve into different forms. They would look different from the Kharaa - not in the texturing (since they're both Bacterium lifeforms), but in the shape and such.
Just my opinions. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have emailed Charlie Cleveland many times about this and did so again recently, and he says that's it's something they're still planning on doing.
I'm not sure doing a petition will make any difference to the speed that this will take. They are probably making a Natural Selection retail game or something as we speak, and so are probably quite busy.
1: COMPLETELY and I mean completely unrealistic!
2: I isnt much fun. the starcraft marines-marines , zerk-zerk , protoss-protoss missions were completely boring, because the units worked the same. boring fights
3: its the root-idea of cs. bAh WAhH ErKK!!! let it be! plz! just this time! the combat mode is bad enough but a marine-marine alien-alien mode would destroy the atmosphere that is left.
if there must be something new I would most likely see some mercenary troops in the game that work totaly different, with a combinition of long range and short range weapons, maybe some more special gadgets but less buildings/structurs/whatever to care for... but in this case no marine-alien-mercenary mode...
*sigh*... its senseless... the mod will develop, o the good or to the bad, its not longer up to the players... sad.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ooooook.
1: It's unrealistic? Why? There are a whole host of reasons why the marines could play against other marines in Natural Selection. Be them space pirates salvaging old ships, or even a evil corporation who have harnessed the power of the kharaa and have developed weapons accordingly.
And if you think those are unrealistic scenerios, do you think the concept of Marines fighting in outer space with an alien species that create Hives on space ships is realistic?
2: The new marine side could be made to have different weapons and upgrades, open your mind to the possibilities!
3: The root idea of CS. Since when has CS been the one and only team deathmatch game to have ever been created!? What's more, if the game still uses the building of bases strategy and taking over Res Nodes, then it would be nothing like CS.
What I then find bizarre, is that you go on to say that you would like to see LESS buildings and structures if this mode was to be implemented. Which would surely be making it MORE like Counter-Strike (dare I use it's full name on this forum!)
I think the grounds on you being against this MvM gameplay mode is simply because you can't handle change. The concept of building more gameplay modes for a game hardly ruins it, just separates the players from those who like gun-ho deathmatch (with Combat), or those who liked the strategy element of normal NS mode.
And was the outcome of this game ever up to the players? I don't think it was, except for the level creation aspect of it.
And FURTHERMORE, there are strict limits on the exact number of weapons that the half-life engine can even handle. I believe it's 32 - don't quote me on that, though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> The point IS that with five different kinds of aliens (with four weapons/abilities each), there's only room enough for 12 weapons NOT INCLUDING the marine weapons. With those added in (knife, pistol, LMG, Shotty, HMG, Grenade Launcher, grenade, welder, and mine), there's room for three weapons that the engine can possibly handle.
<i>Three. </i>
And what's more, if the flamethrower is ever finally implemented the way that Flay wants it to be, that'll narrow that selection down to 2.
Needless to say, the creation an entire other team (let alone two) would be simply impossible based on this engine limit to begin with <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
...Unless Flay's found a way around this limit since I've last heard this argument made in the 1.0x era...In that case: disregard all of the above <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
On the contrary, the TSA almost <i>are</i> rebels. The TransGov corporations hate them, and only keep them around because they're so good at getting their ships and installations back for them. Personally, I think it would make more sense to see the TSA pitched against some sort of TransGov military force.
Pft. I saw a mod that had broken the limit, it had like 60 weapons or something. I believe there *is* a way around the weapon limit, we just need to find it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, I think Insane's idea is cool. The TransGov could have improved weapons and armor since they probably get more funding, but perhaps they could have some sort of other weakness. Oh well.
You know, there is only one reason why Kharaa wars would rock....Onii could swallow Skulks! And Lerks! And Gorges! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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You know, there is only one reason why Kharaa wars would rock....Onii could swallow Skulks! And Lerks! And Gorges! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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But what about when it gets to the point that an onos devours an onos that devoured an onos that devoured an onos that devoured a gorge.
otherwise it seems kinda odd.
(and by the way, how do i unsign a petition?)
1: COMPLETELY and I mean completely unrealistic!
2: I isnt much fun. the starcraft marines-marines , zerk-zerk , protoss-protoss missions were completely boring, because the units worked the same. boring fights
3: its the root-idea of cs. bAh WAhH ErKK!!! let it be! plz! just this time! the combat mode is bad enough but a marine-marine alien-alien mode would destroy the atmosphere that is left.
if there must be something new I would most likely see some mercenary troops in the game that work totaly different, with a combinition of long range and short range weapons, maybe some more special gadgets but less buildings/structurs/whatever to care for... but in this case no marine-alien-mercenary mode...
*sigh*... its senseless... the mod will develop, o the good or to the bad, its not longer up to the players... sad.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ooooook.
1: It's unrealistic? Why? There are a whole host of reasons why the marines could play against other marines in Natural Selection. Be them space pirates salvaging old ships, or even a evil corporation who have harnessed the power of the kharaa and have developed weapons accordingly.
And if you think those are unrealistic scenerios, do you think the concept of Marines fighting in outer space with an alien species that create Hives on space ships is realistic?
2: The new marine side could be made to have different weapons and upgrades, open your mind to the possibilities!
3: The root idea of CS. Since when has CS been the one and only team deathmatch game to have ever been created!? What's more, if the game still uses the building of bases strategy and taking over Res Nodes, then it would be nothing like CS.
What I then find bizarre, is that you go on to say that you would like to see LESS buildings and structures if this mode was to be implemented. Which would surely be making it MORE like Counter-Strike (dare I use it's full name on this forum!)
I think the grounds on you being against this MvM gameplay mode is simply because you can't handle change. The concept of building more gameplay modes for a game hardly ruins it, just separates the players from those who like gun-ho deathmatch (with Combat), or those who liked the strategy element of normal NS mode.
And was the outcome of this game ever up to the players? I don't think it was, except for the level creation aspect of it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
"never change a running system"
but thats not why I simply hate the idea. and its not that I "cant handle changes" otherwise I would have never started to play ns. so dont talk such ****, you dont know me, right?
and less buildings to care just meat that they mercenaries dont have so much buildings like the marines and maybe not so much ways to "improve" theirselves like the liens, instead they would fight in a more strategical way. aah, never mind, flamming is a hobby too, isnt it?
Oh sorry, did I post this in mapping? whoops..for a second I thought that would be mapping related.. my mistake..
The whole point of the game is having two totally different play styles. If you want to replace aliens with a marine side (which is similar in play style to the existing aliens), what is the point of that? It would be much better to simply make the existing sides more complex by adding more weapons / structures / upgrades. Remeber that Flayra has limited time.
If you add 2 more play styles, then not only will you have to balance MvA strategy and MvA combat, you would also have to balance MvM strategy and AvA strategy - and potentially MvM combat and AvA combat. Next you will want Marine 2 v Alien 1 strategy and Alien 2 v Marine 1 strategy.... can you see where this is going?
I simply believe that MvM and AvA won't work for NS - just my 2c.
-Parallax