Things I Hate About This World

HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
edited March 2004 in Off-Topic
<span style='color:red'>** DISCLAIMER **</span> I warn you, first off. You may not agree with all the opinions I list here. Don't get offended! People have differing opinions than you, though hopefully you sort of understand where I'm coming from. This is not a flame thread. I repeat this is not a flame thread. Please don't turn it into one. This is a way for you to express legitimate hatred for and have their understandings and sympathies returned by people with similar feelings. Venting is healthy if you put thought into it and organize it into heartfelt feelings.

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><u>Things I hate about this world</u></span>

1. Bigots

I very much dislike anyone shallow enough to stereotype into race/creed/color/religion. It hits below the belt. I mean what chance does a person have against someone who can simply look at another and assume he knows everything about his life. These people pick their boyfriends/girlfriends based on sheer looks alone, and not suprisingly, they have some of the highest divorce rates on the planet.

Unfortunately, it is human nature to stereotype. I won't deny that there are times when I've done so, though I am not proud of it. I resist the urge, and I force myself to get to know a person before labeling them anything. Some people let their first judgements get the better of them. Not only this, they DEPEND on their first judgements. This leads to very hated words that I dispise as well. I don't think I need to say them for you to know what they are.

2. Conformists

There are a lot more of you than you'd admit. This, simply put, are the kind of folks that join in a mob full of people perhaps without thinking first of why or what. If a group of people do something stupid, you're more likely to join them than you'd like to admit. Take the times after a college football game. In the excitement, people rush to the middle of the field and tip down the goal post. WHY?! Does anybody have a legitimate reason why? Does tearing down the goalpost mean you're college is better? Certainly not. Maybe even it implies you're college is dumber than most. People get clobbered in the head as the goal post comes down on top of them. Several people have died in such a stupid event. Nothing is accomplished. So why do people do it?

The answer is that they are conformists. They do things without question simply because others do it. Bundled with conformity comes tradition. Tradition is good when the motivation is still there, however when the motivation is removed, due to tradition, it is still done however stupid it may seem. (Read <u>The Lottery</u>). We are all philosophers if we want to be! Always ask the question "Why?" and you shall never fall into this sweaty overcrowded pit known as conformity.

3. Ignoramuses

Don't get me wrong here. I am not talking about your run of the mill below average IQ Joe. I'm talking about clearly superior minds who don't use their minds to the best of their ability. Anyone who chooses not to learn or to ask questions about the world we live in. Some of these jocks choose to stay in the dark because it is "cooler." Well no thanks. I'll stay geeky anyday. There is no rationale for choosing to act stupid. These jocks are the same people who could tell you the exact reason why Duke is doing so well in the ACC conference, but would say "Washington" to the question "What is the capital of Canada?" They could know the answer if they tried, but they really don't care. There is no excuse for this. I actually do not hate these people. I pity them.


If you have anything to add, feel free. The list is pretty limitless for me. These are just my top ones. Again, I remind you that the purpose behind this thread is to share similar understandings and sympathies. It will make you feel a hell of a lot better to get it off your chest, and then find someone have the same feelings.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    edited March 2004
    that last bit i don't understand. Why are you offended by people that "don't use their IQ or talent or whatever to the fullest capacity"?

    [edit] hmm i read that again and... <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->These jocks are the same people who could tell you the exact reason why Duke is doing so well in the ACC conference, but would say "Washington" to the question "What is the capital of Canada?" They could know the answer if they tried, but they really don't care. There is no excuse for this. I actually do not hate these people. I pity them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What's wrong with that? of course that's an example but i'd say replying "washington" as capital of canada indicates to (gasp) some kind of sense of humor.

    Being a geek is too geeky. Smart people usually don't like to stand out, at least from what i've noticed. dunno about you then.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    No, I said I'm not. I'm upset about smart minds who play dumb.
  • B33FB33F Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9362Members
    I'm kind of disturbed by stupid people. There's too many of them. I wish natural selection would speed up. (However, it is arguable that humans are no longer being selected for intelligence, as intelligent people become less likely than the average person to have families of five or more children.)
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-B33F+Mar 3 2004, 07:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (B33F @ Mar 3 2004, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm kind of disturbed by stupid people. There's too many of them. I wish natural selection would speed up. (However, it is arguable that humans are no longer being selected for intelligence, as intelligent people become less likely than the average person to have families of five or more children.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Duh. You aren't "born stupid" , your parents can mess up your education even if they were brilliant at first , and simple people who are motivated enough to give the best education possible for their children can do wonders and create a genius out of nowhere.

    Also , curious orphans can become smart and cultivated provide they have decent living conditions.

    I hate people finding darwinism everywhere... human societies are supposed to stand above primal jungles.
  • killswitchkillswitch Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Mar 3 2004, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Mar 3 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. Conformists

    There are a lot more of you than you'd admit. This, simply put, are the kind of folks that join in a mob full of people perhaps without thinking first of why or what. If a group of people do something stupid, you're more likely to join them than you'd like to admit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think accusations of conformity ar thrown around too liberally. Many people conform simply because it makes sense in a lot of situations.
    Am I conforming by shopping at Wal-Mart? Ya, but I don't shop at Wal-Mart to conform, I shop there because it's cheap.

    It's tough to think of any concrete examples of <b>true</b> conformity in this society, outside the spectrum of personal taste for art. I think artistic conformity is very common in people's music tastes for example.
  • duvelduvel Join Date: 2004-02-09 Member: 26318Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I very much dislike anyone shallow enough to stereotype into race/creed/color/religion. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i can understeand that, if you look down to people from another country with less resources and education options then you are a ****.
    but at the tempo that our races are mixing we are creating a slow upcoming civillian war that depends on ground and food survival.
    it's like putting some rats in a cage, they will fight, if you put a 1000 rats in a cage you get a war, they will eat their own species.
    there are already to much people on this world and we are not there yet, in about 50 years we all have food shortages and then the natural selection begins.
  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    edited March 2004
    OMG U USE WINDOWS CONFORMIST!!!!


    I hate people that complain about conformity more.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Mar 4 2004, 04:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Mar 4 2004, 04:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1.  Bigots

    I very much dislike anyone shallow enough to stereotype into race/creed/color/religion.  It hits below the belt.  I mean what chance does a person have against someone who can simply look at another and assume he knows everything about his life.  These people pick their boyfriends/girlfriends based on sheer looks alone, and not suprisingly, they have some of the highest divorce rates on the planet. 

    Unfortunately, it is human nature to stereotype.  I won't deny that there are times when I've done so, though I am not proud of it.  I resist the urge, and I force myself to get to know a person before labeling them anything.  Some people let their first judgements get the better of them.  Not only this, they DEPEND on their first judgements.  This leads to very hated words that I dispise as well.  I don't think I need to say them for you to know what they are.

    2.  Conformists

    There are a lot more of you than you'd admit.  This, simply put, are the kind of folks that join in a mob full of people perhaps without thinking first of why or what.  If a group of people do something stupid, you're more likely to join them than you'd like to admit.  Take the times after a college football game.  In the excitement, people rush to the middle of the field and tip down the goal post.  WHY?!  Does anybody have a legitimate reason why?  Does tearing down the goalpost mean you're college is better?  Certainly not.  Maybe even it implies you're college is dumber than most.  People get clobbered in the head as the goal post comes down on top of them.  Several people have died in such a stupid event.  Nothing is accomplished.  So why do people do it? 

    The answer is that they are conformists.  They do things without question simply because others do it.  Bundled with conformity comes tradition.  Tradition is good when the motivation is still there, however when the motivation is removed, due to tradition, it is still done however stupid it may seem.  (Read <u>The Lottery</u>).  We are all philosophers if we want to be!  Always ask the question "Why?" and you shall never fall into this sweaty overcrowded pit known as conformity.
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    Again the call of bigot is made. As I stated in another thread (about homosexuality I think), the label bigot applies to both sides of an arguement in all situations.

    To be bigotted is to be unreasonably convinced of the rightness of you own ideals. In the homosexuality debate for example, I consider the other side heavily bigotted, and they consider me likewise.

    When you say you hate bigots, what you really mean is "I dislike people with an opposing opinion that they hold to strongly." Did you ever stop and consider that perhaps you/the people with similiar ideas are actually bigots also?

    "WTH" you say "I'm not a bigot! I've rationally arrived at a conclusion, and I'm sure its right. The people who agree with me must have done likewise." Which is EXACTLY what the opposition is thinking of themselves.

    Some like to say that the definition of bigot includes "and is intolerant of others beliefs." I'd put forward that this ISNT automatically a bad thing. Heavily bigotted cops take down drug dealers based on their complete conviction that these people are doing the wrong thing. The drug dealers may believe that what they are doing is not the wrong thing, but the police are intolerant of that belief. How could they! There is a time for tolerating and accepting others beliefs, until tihose beliefs involve planes and large towers full of people, and then we are all bigots within seconds.

    The real problem is defining "reasonable". Everyone likes to see the way they view it as reasonable, so I'd think really carefully before I start slinging that accusation around.

    And then we move onto conformists. I find that THIS is a regularily used stereotype designed to dismiss the beliefs of others. For example, at my last school, I was known amongst my grade as "that religious kid". Not because I walked around with a Bible, or was even generally nice and helpful (I was actually quite bitter), but because I was the one who would grit my teeth during biol during evolution lectures, because I was the one who went on the offensive when some chick though she could get away with the popular myth that religion starts wars. But no matter what I did, the school atheists automatically dismissed everything I said. They called me stupid and naive and "you're just in your religion to conform, to do what your parents want".

    Which was rubbish. I had read large amounts of information on apologetics, I had even read material attacking my beliefs so I could see if it really held up under scrutiny, I was vitally interested and informed on a wide range of subjects relating to my beliefs, yet was dismissed as a immature conformist. I feel a fair amount of that attitude here on these forums also. In religious arguements, inevitably you get the guy who says "I live my life the way I want, instead of having my life controlled by what my parents want me to do, what the church wants me to do" and the insinuation is there. The insinuation that you are another mindless, deluded religious conformatist.

    I ask the question "why" and find the answer agrees with those in the "sweaty, overcrowded pit of conformity". Sue me.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited March 2004
    I wonder why Marine is always defending bigotry....*whistles*


    Anyway the problem with your definition is that common definition of bigotry almost always goes hand in hand with oppression. Bigots of the south oppressed blacks, biggots of the Middle East oppressed women, bigots in Germany opressed everyone.

    The "leftist" bigots as you have desribed them aren't really oppressing anyone since there is no rational way you can prove open homosexuality to be harmful to anyone not partcipating in it.

    And morally dubious does not qualify, since morals aren't universally the same much less nationally in the case of the US.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    Sorry if I confused you Marine01. I thought I implied my definition of bigot was "anyone shallow enough to stereotype into race/creed/color/religion." I do not mean someone stubborn about his opinion. We're all like that, afterall.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-dr.d+Mar 4 2004, 12:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Mar 4 2004, 12:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wonder why Marine is always defending bigotry....*whistles*


    Anyway the problem with your definition is that common definition with bigotry almost always goes hand in hand with oppression.  Bigots of the south oppressed blacks, biggots of the Middle East oppressed women, bigots in Germany opressed everyone.

    The "leftist" bigots as you have desribed them aren't really oppressing anyone since there is no rational way you can prove open homosexuality to be harmful to anyone not partcipating in it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bigottry is/should be incredibly hard to pin on another person, because you have to prove their beliefs to be unreasonable. Since individuals form their own idea of what is reasonable and what isnt, it frequently involves you claiming your beliefs are superior. Which sounds remarkably bigotted to me.....

    Hrrmmmm, so the cry of bigot is a cat call reserved for the left eh.... I dont see it that way. Anyone who tries to stop anyone else from doing something is open to being called a bigot. Our society NEEDS people to stop people from doing certain things. We have laws designed to stop people doing certain things - and all of these are bigotted according to at least one individual in society.

    Sometimes stopping someone else from doing something is bad, sometimes its good. Either way you're bigotted. But wait what's this - bigottry CAN be good.....

    Oppression always involves preventing people from doing something they wish to, so bigottry is always involved. That does not automatically classify bigottry as bad. Weapons/power is always involved in oppression also, but many staunch "anti-bigots" wouldnt appreciate the connection that therefore guns and power are automatically bad.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now that the Massachusetts Supreme Court has ruled that marriage be open to *** and lesbians, it is time to consider the question that pops up more than mushrooms after a spring rain. How would the legalization of **** marriage harm current and future heterosexual marriages?

    The answer at first glance is that it wouldn't, at least not in individual cases in the short run. But what about the longer run for everyone?

    It is a superficial kind of individualism that does not recognize the power of emerging social trends that often start with only a few individuals bucking conventional patterns of behavior. Negative social trends start with only a few aberrations. Gradually, however, social sanctions weaken and individual aberrations became a torrent.

    Think back to the 1960s, when illegitimacy and cohabitation were relatively rare. At that time many asked how one young woman having a baby out of wedlock or living with an unmarried man could hurt their neighbors. Now we know the negative social effects these two living arrangements have spawned: lower marriage rates, more instability in the marriages that are enacted, more fatherless children, increased rates of domestic violence and poverty, and a vast expansion of welfare state expenses.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Leftist bigots can be responsible for establishing negative, damaging trends in society. They can certainly be harmful to those not participating in it. If you wish to continue the homosexuality/trends part of things, the above quote was from an article I posted on page 8, so we can head back over there.

    In short, if you can prove bigottry, then 9/10 its going to be bad. Proving it is well nigh impossible.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited March 2004
    Well let's not turn this into yet another **** marriage debate, but If you want my views on the subject read my posts in the other threads.

    And that's about the fifth time I've seen that article posted. If you beleive marriage to be the pinnicle of Western culture your slightly off base.

    And I never said that you were a bigot, or that people opposed to **** marriage were bigots, they are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. Just like I can be opposed to divorce for my own personal beliefs, and think people who get them daft, I at the same time cannot force divorce to be illegal.

    Once an issue comes to light such as **** marriage and more and more people clamor for their right to it, simple opinionism can quickly turn to bigotry in the denial of those rights. Because now you are faced with a direct and open request for two people to marry and your presonal opinions are now interferring with someone else's life.

    Seperate but equal will never work and it only breeds discrimination.

    anyway /thread-jack
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well let's not turn this into yet another **** marriage debate, but If you want my views on the subject read my posts in the other threads.

    And that's about the fifth time I've seen that article posted.  If you beleive marriage to be the pinnicle of Western culture your slightly off base.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Agreed, material for the other topic.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And I never said that you were a bigot, or that people opposed to **** marriage were bigots, they are entitled to their opinions and beliefs.  Just like I can be opposed to divorce for my own personal beliefs, and think people who get them daft, I at the same time cannot force divorce to be illegal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You didnt say it, but <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wonder why Marine is always defending bigotry....*whistles*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> has certain insinuations <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once an issue comes to light such as **** marriage and more and more people clamor for their right to it, simple opinionism can quickly turn to bigotry in the denial of those rights.  Because now you are faced with a direct and open request for two people to marry and your presonal opinions are now interferring with someone else's life.

    Seperate but equal will never work and it only breeds discrimination.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sometimes societies and individual opinions interfere in a very direct way with a persons life, and we all accept it. The crux is whether you consider what the other party is doing to be damaging to others/society. In this case I do, in this case you dont. Whose right? To quote both of us

    "ME!"
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    edited March 2004
    I fear i fall into the 3rd catagory... But i try to get better (IE: Smarter)... and trying counts right?

    Edit: Scratch that... i reread the post...

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am not talking about your run of the mill below average IQ Joe. I'm talking about clearly superior minds who don't use their minds to the best of their ability.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    If anything, my mind is inferior... slowed by ADD and a huge lack of motivation is horrible... and lets not forget the difficulties with interacting with other humans. Something got screwed up in there when i was young, and i dont know what.
  • CrisqoCrisqo Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11625Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I very much dislike anyone shallow enough to stereotype into race/creed/color/religion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This statement, in and of itself, is bigoted. Basically, you don't like people labeling others. (Though that is admirable.)

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no rationale for choosing to act stupid. These jocks are the same people who could tell you the exact reason why Duke is doing so well in the ACC conference, but would say "Washington" to the question "What is the capital of Canada?" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What? All Jocks are "ignoramuses?" That sounds like "labeling" to me.
    Ahh...Hypocrisy and irony my old friends.
  • killswitchkillswitch Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Crisqo+Mar 4 2004, 05:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crisqo @ Mar 4 2004, 05:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This statement, in and of itself, is bigoted. Basically, you don't like people labeling others. (Though that is admirable.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh, reminds me of when people say "don't be judgmental", which is a judgment in itself.
  • CrisqoCrisqo Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11625Members
    Exactly, wether we want to or not we can't get away from being called "bigoted" or "judgmental" without being called that by the other camp for "cracking down on them." ...So to speak.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    edited March 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
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    I very much dislike anyone shallow enough to stereotype into race/creed/color/religion.
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    This statement, in and of itself, is bigoted. Basically, you don't like people labeling others. (Though that is admirable.)
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    I dislike shallow people. Shallow is not a race, creed, color, or religion. Shallow is a characteristic of a personality, not an external feature which does not contradict my post. Please reread.

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    There is no rationale for choosing to act stupid. These jocks are the same people who could tell you the exact reason why Duke is doing so well in the ACC conference, but would say "Washington" to the question "What is the capital of Canada?"
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    What? All Jocks are "ignoramuses?" That sounds like "labeling" to me.
    Ahh...Hypocrisy and irony my old friends.
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    Jocks.. being another words for those people with no rationale for choosing to act stupid. It is shorter, thanks. It wasn't a direct referal to the stereotype. If I meant that, I would have said I hate jocks.

    It would be as if I had said "I like penguins. Those riftrafts are awesome." Riftrafts being a reference to penguins, not the stereotype of a riftraft. It's calling a penguin a riftraft, not calling a riftraft a penguin. There's a subtle difference I guess I don't expect you to appreciate. Thinking now, jock was not the best choice of words. It could have just as easily have been "guys."
  • ShrikeShrike Join Date: 2003-02-19 Member: 13739Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And then we move onto conformists. I find that THIS is a regularily used stereotype designed to dismiss the beliefs of others. For example, at my last school, I was known amongst my grade as "that religious kid". Not because I walked around with a Bible, or was even generally nice and helpful (I was actually quite bitter), but because I was the one who would grit my teeth during biol during evolution lectures, because I was the one who went on the offensive when some chick though she could get away with the popular myth that religion starts wars. But no matter what I did, the school atheists automatically dismissed everything I said. They called me stupid and naive and "you're just in your religion to conform, to do what your parents want".

    Which was rubbish. I had read large amounts of information on apologetics, I had even read material attacking my beliefs so I could see if it really held up under scrutiny, I was vitally interested and informed on a wide range of subjects relating to my beliefs, yet was dismissed as a immature conformist. I feel a fair amount of that attitude here on these forums also. In religious arguements, inevitably you get the guy who says "I live my life the way I want, instead of having my life controlled by what my parents want me to do, what the church wants me to do" and the insinuation is there. The insinuation that you are another mindless, deluded religious conformatist.

    I ask the question "why" and find the answer agrees with those in the "sweaty, overcrowded pit of conformity". Sue me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh man, I get you totally.
  • BeastBeast Armonkyi Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15731Members, Constellation
    edited March 2004
    If I understand correctly, you said we could add out own list of things we hate about the world and such, so here goes my input. -Regardless, I think these opinions are valid for the arguments or at least useful in some aspect; If this has been in error, I am happy for this post to be deleted/nuked as appropriate.

    Things I hate about this world? One of the things that annoys me the most:

    Speciesism.
    You kill a human wrongly, you get charged with murder
    You kill an "animal" wrongly, you get charged $xx

    Am I the only one who sees this gross discrimination?

    Then we have sport hunters, people who kill for the sheer joy of killing... Isn't this classed as being psychopathic or something? Why is it different if it's "animals" under the crosshair, and not humans? They have lives, just as humans do, why is it any different taking theirs in such a cruel manner?

    Killing for food is an entirely different thing however. Killing for food is a natural process, so long as respect is paid to the being being killed for food... many humans say how cruel wolves/predator species x are so cruel for how they kill their prey...but compare this to how a lot of cattle and such is treated by humans.. if I was a sheep, I'd rather be torn apart by a wolf painfully but quickly, than be kept in a tiny steel cage for several days, then being killed usually quite slowly. And those that work at said places have the nerve to say that it is "humane?" o.O

    *sighs*
  • the_johnjacobthe_johnjacob Join Date: 2003-04-01 Member: 15109Members, Constellation
    just thought i'd throw in my input:

    i dispise ignorance, but not ignorant people. let me explain: i hate ignorance for the infinite loop that it throws us all in, as the whole definition of ignorance is that not only are you ignorant of some sort of wisdom or information(though i'm of the belief human have no real wisdom, that a different story), but also that you are unaware. so therefore, not only do i hate ignorance, i can not stand hearing someone say "i hate ignorant(stupid) people". how the hell do you know who is right? the way i see it, if some genius does something that looks stupid or ignorant in my eyes, that just shows the contrast in my intelligence compared to his. i will never, EVER again call a person ignorant, for fear of being a hypocrite.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I guess I'm judgemental for this, but this is not really a Discussion thread, it's a generic rant.

    <span style='color:white'>***Moved.***</span>
  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Beast+Mar 4 2004, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Mar 4 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If I understand correctly, you said we could add out own list of things we hate about the world and such, so here goes my input. -Regardless, I think these opinions are valid for the arguments or at least useful in some aspect; If this has been in error, I am happy for this post to be deleted/nuked as appropriate.

    Things I hate about this world? One of the things that annoys me the most:

    Speciesism.
    You kill a human wrongly, you get charged with murder
    You kill an "animal" wrongly, you get charged $xx

    Am I the only one who sees this gross discrimination?

    Then we have sport hunters, people who kill for the sheer joy of killing... Isn't this classed as being psychopathic or something? Why is it different if it's "animals" under the crosshair, and not humans? They have lives, just as humans do, why is it any different taking theirs in such a cruel manner?

    Killing for food is an entirely different thing however. Killing for food is a natural process, so long as respect is paid to the being being killed for food... many humans say how cruel wolves/predator species x are so cruel for how they kill their prey...but compare this to how a lot of cattle and such is treated by humans.. if I was a sheep, I'd rather be torn apart by a wolf painfully but quickly, than be kept in a tiny steel cage for several days, then being killed usually quite slowly. And those that work at said places have the nerve to say that it is "humane?" o.O

    *sighs* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *shrug* I just hate hunting with guns. Pansy hunters scared to get your feet wet!
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Mar 4 2004, 01:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Mar 4 2004, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Beast+Mar 4 2004, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Mar 4 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If I understand correctly, you said we could add out own list of things we hate about the world and such, so here goes my input. -Regardless, I think these opinions are valid for the arguments or at least useful in some aspect; If this has been in error, I am happy for this post to be deleted/nuked as appropriate.

    Things I hate about this world? One of the things that annoys me the most:

    Speciesism.
    You kill a human wrongly, you get charged with murder
    You kill an "animal" wrongly, you get charged $xx

    Am I the only one who sees this gross discrimination?

    Then we have sport hunters, people who kill for the sheer joy of killing... Isn't this classed as being psychopathic or something? Why is it different if it's "animals" under the crosshair, and not humans? They have lives, just as humans do, why is it any different taking theirs in such a cruel manner?

    Killing for food is an entirely different thing however. Killing for food is a natural process, so long as respect is paid to the being being killed for food... many humans say how cruel wolves/predator species x are so cruel for how they kill their prey...but compare this to how a lot of cattle and such is treated by humans.. if I was a sheep, I'd rather be torn apart by a wolf painfully but quickly, than be kept in a tiny steel cage for several days, then being killed usually quite slowly. And those that work at said places have the nerve to say that it is "humane?" o.O

    *sighs* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *shrug* I just hate hunting with guns. Pansy hunters scared to get your feet wet! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Once a deer or a wild boar builds an oil rig or a space station I'll feel bad about shooting them.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    You shoot people who don't build oil rigs or space stations? Isn't that like.. most of the general population?
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    I judge a species by their overall achievments as a species.

    So far the closest any animal has come to being non shootable is beavers, once they focus their dam building skills on building p4's I'll offical declare them on par with humanity.
  • BurrBurr Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9358Members
    edited March 2004
    Beast, when an animal does $X amount of damage to your property/vehicle/business, then their population needs to be kept in check... yes I am talking about deer. Deer alone have caused over $2000 worth of damage to my vehicle and I would say over $5000 worth of damage to my dads crops (enough so that we can obtain a special permit to shoot them at night with spotlights and a high powered rifle), so I could care less WHY somebody shoots them (sport, food, etc....), just as long as they do.... it is survival of the fittest where I live, so its either us or them.

    Its evolution baby

    /rant

    Oh, and in this world I hate big corporations, religious people that force their veiws onto you, poison ivy, semi truck drivers, my ex-gf, and various other things..
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Beast+Mar 5 2004, 03:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beast @ Mar 5 2004, 03:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Speciesism.
    You kill a human wrongly, you get charged with murder
    You kill an "animal" wrongly, you get charged $xx <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You kill a sentient being wrongly, you get charged with murder.

    You kill a non-sentient being wrongly, you get asked to pay a fine.

    Seems fine to me, unless you go ape on the non-sentient being killing, and then the penalty needs to get harsher.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    Reminds me of that quote...

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons.

    --Douglas Adams<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    I don't think anyone hunts dolphins for sport.
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