Israels New Tactics Against Terror
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They're now considering hanging bags of pig-fat on busses in order to deter terrorist attacks. The idea is that if a suicide bomber kills himself, everyone (including him) will be splattered with pigfat.
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3484277.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3484277.stm</a>
It's about time.
I hope they also publically show them burying bits of terrorist in pigskin on the news.
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3484277.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3484277.stm</a>
It's about time.
I hope they also publically show them burying bits of terrorist in pigskin on the news.
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I don't know a thing about helal and kosher laws, but if it works, do it!
but then you just might see more people blowing themselves up at the bus stop right before they get on.
Burying the hatchet is a little difficult to do when people keep exploding themselves in your public areas.
I dont think this will do much. I can just see some muslim cleric finding a nifty way around the whole pig stuff sends you to hell business.
Other than that, sure seems reasonable...but since pig is unclean to muslims and jews, than the christians will be the honorary piggut hangers. I'm sure it would start to smell after awhile...and they could use stuff that's not really pig (because governments like to be cheap.
I don't think it'd really be feasible to do it everywhere either.
Yeah, **** em off some more. Thats the roadmap to peace right there!
Yeah, **** em off some more. Thats the roadmap to peace right there! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Guys, they've been at war for almost 1000 years, what makes you think that thier just going to say 'Oh man Abdul! Im soooooo sorry our beliefs are different then yours. Lets be friends, maybe raise some kids together, get a nice cottage on the Jordan.' <span style='color:white'>Avoid personal attacks.</span>
Burying the hatchet is a little difficult to do when people keep exploding themselves in your public areas.
I dont think this will do much. I can just see some muslim cleric finding a nifty way around the whole pig stuff sends you to hell business. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I doubt any cleric would be able to figure a way around that; the idea of the pig being unclean is a very fundamental part of both the Jewish and Islamic faiths. Of course, suicide bombers might blow themselves up anyway.
And we've already discussed to death the whole Israel vs Arabia debate and if anything, we can probably agree that neither side is innocent.
On a side note, it would be ironic if the Palestinians starting making pig fat filled water ballons to throw at Israeli tanks to drive them out of their cities.
Now that's a constructive suggestion. Instead of a tense , cold war we could have a "pork war" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I wouldn't call this blasphemy fight smart , but as someone once said if it's stupid but it works , then it isn't stupid. Restore peace by any means necessary... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I dont believe that that will stop them.
Think of the Crusades. Christians being persuaded to fight and kill for their religion, and promised free absolution from sins for doing so. Complete, total and utter garbage, yet they were convinced of this by the religious leaders. Whats to stop a prominent religious leader from convincing bombers that Allah is not so cruel that he would punish a bomber for forefilling God's will by blowing up Jews, but take away their reward thanks to the satanic tricks of the Jews?
The Islamic clergy seems to have the same hold over the extremists that the Catholic Church had over medieval Europe.
The Islamic clergy seems to have the same hold over the extremists that the Catholic Church had over medieval Europe. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmm, fair call. I guess all we can do is wait and see what will unfold. I, like Dread, however have serious doubts about this ending the conflict or even preventing attacks.
Plus would Jews actually want to be on a bus filled with pig fat? Seems to me that if Muslims would be detered, Jews would be detered as well...
Those that were interviewed said sitting next to a bag of pig fat was better than being blown up.
On the other hand, if this does discourage attacks on busses, they'll probably simply switch to other targets, such as nightclubs, cafes, pizza shops..... heck, why not daycares? They can't put up bags of pig fat everywhere- which is why I think publically burying the remains of the suicide bomber in pigskin is a better option. Same effect (if it has one at all).
This is all assuming that the extremists really believe the drivel they spew about their religion. If burying terrorists in pigskin doesn't deter them, then I have the feeling that they are simply using religion as an excuse to dupe gullible kids into blowing themselves up for the cause- a cause that is not religious based as they claim, but simple hate crimes. They just don't "like" the isrealis for various reasons (they're on their land, they're jews, whatever) so they attack them.
While the suicide bombers probably volunteer with religious reasons in mind, I think those sending them out there to kill themselves are just playing on that and have another agenda.
Israel is, despite what the ultraorthodox minority might claim, not a fundamentalistic state. The religious elite can thus not be equated with the government, or any executive decision.
Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine; Israel, the ultras/Zionists, and the general Jewish religion are just mixed up too often.
It only counts if they are alive when they touch it.
Where did you hear that?
Stop putting palestinians in ghettos and treating them like 2nd class citizens, give them a glimmer of hope that their children will not live under the same appaling conditions for generations to come, stop treating every palestinian like they are terrorists, stop shooting missiles straight into refugee camps because some guy you want is sitting there in the middle of 250 civilians, stop sniping children in the head that throw rocks at tanks occupying their village, stop destroying farms, stealing water supplies, stop building an apartheid wall, stop shooting international activists, stop crushing them under bulldozers, stop using slogans such as one arab, one bullet, stop supporting racist settlers that spout things about arabs so vile that it makes your foul-mouthed dirty uncle blush, stop acting like nazis! Im not even exagerating, some of those palestinian ghettos are like warsaw before they started shipping off people to death camps. Cant get in, Cant get out, food is scarce, so is water...
Hows that for a tactic?
Maybe then the palestinians wont be so desperate about their future and stop blowing themselves up because they see no other way to get back at the agressor.
Im not excusing the suicide bombers, im trying to put to light why they are f***** up like that.
Carry on.
Are you saying that we should strictly keep the thread to pig fat yes or no?
I am not here to teach history, of course i know that Israeli civilians are also victims of senseless violence, thats not the point...
EDIT: and if my point is not clear enough, let me make a drawing for you:
Maybe if the Israeli army would stop treating palestinians like garbage, killing their children because they are throwing rocks at tanks, building a wall that is used to steal land, etc, etc, etc, etc, then maybe the whole pig fat issue would dissappear because then palestinians would stop being so desperate about their situation and care about their lives and the lives of others?
totally on topic.
Turning murderers into victims is convenient for making points, but utterly disgraceful. They're all guilty, and it's an endless cycle of retaliation after retaliation. Neither makes concessions, and therefore no progress is made.
And don't think for a second that the poverty in Palestinian is at all largely due to Israel. It's the result of theocracies, abusive governments, corruption, antiquated social systems, etc. These are the people they should be bombing, not a people riding on freaking busses.
There. Totally off-topic. Nuke us both please.
I am not saying that people who blow themselves up are victims... Didnt you read my post? I am talking about the other people the Israeli army is crunching under their boots, you know, the rest of them palestinians who arent terrorists and are being treated as such. Your transparent attempt to make Monse censor talk that is condemning Israeli army violence against civilians is weak.
If the post order had been reversed MonsE would have come down on the side making the "supporting Israel" tangent out of context, I'm sure.
Honestly i get tired of having to fight to express my viewpoints here...
The situation in the occupied territories is stinking of a huge, ghetto where people are treated like trash and institutionally made miserable, famished and hopeless.
I think i can compare the Occupied territories with say, the warsaw ghetto before they started shipping people off to concentration camps. Now, of course it would have been wrong for jewish people, even if they were oppressed by nazis to blow themselves up in german groceries and restaurants... You could start to blame the jews for that, but one smart german could have said, you know, maybe we should stop putting them in ghettos and treating them worse than our mules, maybe then theyd stop being desperate and using desperate measures?
I am just trying to put things in context, the pig fat issue would not be an issue if the occupied territories wouldnt be in such a bad state... because of the occupation, not some vague "theocracies, abusive governments, corruption, antiquated social systems, etc."
But i do agree this whole cycle of retribution has guilty people on both sides
it seems like a good idea, but if someone still wants to blow themselves up enought then they will