Super Munchkin: Like I said, please leave any insults at home. They're just not needed. I did read the entire post but I did not want to post a second thread about what is roughly the same idea. Also, if you read my rant carefully you'll realize I was not only defending the game but the community as well.
Snake: I did read the thread, that is why I did post it. I realize that <b>some</b> of the bashing was done in jest however: it still stands. Also, if <i>you</i> read my note at the bottom: This rant was not directed at anyone particular, not even you. It's just something I had to get off my chest because I've been lurking here for a while now and watching this go on. And yes, what I described is happening in the community wether people want to admit it or not.
Freemantle: Marines can't trip 'em but an alien could go by and trip them and take the building out <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> And er... thanks for the hug? (*coughnotgaycoughcough*<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->)
Messenjah: Yes, it is out dated (That would be why they're working on CS2). I agree That's why there shouldn't be comparisons between NS and CS [And yes, there are people doing that.] It's just not fair to CS. You don't see people comparing Warcraft 1 to Earth 2150 do you? <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Again: Leave the flames at home, they're just not needed. I'm not doing this out of spite, hate, or any other reason. I'm just pointing out what I've observed and my opinons on it.
[Edit]Yes, even though I state it like it's a golden law/fact it is still just my opinion. No need to be technical. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> [/Edit]
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Leave the flames at home, they're just not needed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What if I am home ;D. Interesting posts, I refuse to say anything either way on the matter though, I don't like argueing.
I dont like cs anymore. Not much llamas were in cs just n00bs that called anyone with skill a hacker. Also I will play with all my skills as a marine. I am best as a team player. I sacrifice myself for my team (heh svenco-op lol I kamikazed so we would win and I would always have the best score, well most of the time) I will have no problem getting used to teamplay (I played existence when it was new and was always best score because Id try and help my team, but sometimes theyd act as shields and that I'm not proud of) Its the weapons and the building (well i played battlezone2 but what the buildings do Ill have to memorize) yes the weapons I have no idea of how the rof, recoil, accuracy, power, damage, speed, weight. So the weapons are usually hardest to get used to (except in opera) P.S. cs is bad because they updated it and if youve ever played/seen it when it had more bugs and it was older, it was funner (not many hackers and guns were better). And yes the dude with the long post makes a good intelligent post but the only part I disagree with is that cs is a fun game (my opinion because I hate v1.4 and above 1.3 was ok 1.1 was a little better like beta 6.5 was fun but I still liked 1.1 because not many bugs and the weapons and jumping was still good) And Flaming is bad (Im not flaming just to make my point clear.).
Once I got through your single-period post, <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> I find there's quite a bit I agree with. I *like* to think of myself as a team player--in DoD if I see an enemy approaching one of my buddies from behind, I'll always try and save my teammate, even if I have to risk myself. Unfortunately, it's almost always unnecessary to do that in CS--I mean, would you do that in any DM game? I'll protect the bombcarrier or VIP, of course, but it's never a big deal if I don't, seeing how few people do that anyway.
But CS is still the most fun mod IMO, as long as you play with people you like.
I had at least two periods! <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
Heh, I was talking to the Stupid Fool over there <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> .
<span style='color:red'>***NUKED*** - That was not needed. Just because a comment is not directed, does not mean it can not be taken offensively.</span>
DruBoBack In BeigeJoin Date: 2002-02-06Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
I'm not worried about CS-heads in particular. They tend to be at least intelligent enough to realize that the game isn't CS, so they can't do (some of) the same things they did before. It's the general n00bs I'm worried about, the people who come over here from UT & Tribes2 zones, who aren't accustomed to the HL engine at all; they'll be the ones who are completely and utterly clueless about what's going on and who will make hilariously vapid posts that we'll mock in IRC. The CSers will generally be a pain in the games, but only until they realize the obvious glaring differences. Then they will do one of three things: 1) Change their playing style to fit NS, 2) say, "this game sux, I'm goin back to cs" and leave forever, or 3) spam the ideas forum with ways to "improve" NS and make it more like their game of choice.
<!--QuoteBegin--Iden+Oct. 17 2002,01:11--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Iden @ Oct. 17 2002,01:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Super Munchkin: Like I said, please leave any insults at home.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "Don't get your panties in a bunch" is not (or wasn't meant as) an insult or a flame. It's more of "chill" type of statement.
And yes you did defend the community as well... but the only reason people "blame" NS for CS noobs- well CS is the MOST POPULAR HL mod right now- so the majority of "noobish" players ARE going to come from there.
Noob by my definition has nothing to do with how new to a game they are- but rather that they ACT like they don't have a clue because they refuse to learn the game. .. Come to think of it I consider noobs and llamas to be the same thing. Hmmm... *ponders*
okay first off Iden I apologize I misread your warning at the bottom ( thought you said YOU had just skimmed the thread)
But besides that I did not see anyone bashing anything, I just made a post trying to make sure people were prepared to deal with people that have no clue about teamwork (and to be prepared to teach them). And for people to be prepared for the game to not work smoothly for a few days until people figure it out
also: Newbie- someone who is new to a game/mod/whatever and wants to learn how to play n00b- someone who is new to a game and has no intrest whatsoever of learning the proper way to play it, therefore screws up other's gaming and makes no efforts to correct the mistake. especially stupid ones NEVER learn how to properly play leading to people being into a game for a long time and still being a n00b.
As i said a long long time ago, to several of the forum goers, the people with 100 -1000+ posts for your forums are going to change. Its not going to be the same, and your going to have to make a special own board if you want to keep your friends. Once NS is released, i doubt ill even come to read the forums, becuase of all the bullsh*t and general ranting and raving, help wanted, and other junk that will be posted here. It just won't be worth it.
*second helpful post ever...UNBAN CORK2!! (hes my hero)
Snake: I know what this thread was intended for, and I'm merely helping along with it. I'm helping to 'prepare' the others of this community by telling them to chill out. Take a step back and a reality check. NS isn't god. They aren't god. They are <b>not</b> better than the newbies.
(n00bs is actually a non existance definition. And I'm not talking technically. A person who damages the game play for everyone else is doing it on purpose and therefore obviously knows how to play. The the person is just being evil/'a meanie'. Someone who plays a game and seems as if to be an idiot (Such as a terrorist with the bomb standing over the target but doing nothing) might of been me a month ago when I couldn't remember how to plant the bomb [Embaressing eh?] or didn't have a team mate who'd help me because they were too busy being elitest and saying what a 'n00b' I was. n00b was made up to be a derogatory statement towards those who either are very bad at the game, or to prey on the weakness of the evil/meanies by implying that they are somehow on the level of a newbie in skill. Often follow by statements referring to puberty, sexual preference and/or the person's mother.)
Munch: n00bs and llamas are defined by apparently "one who refuses to learn how to play the game" (I've still never seen the person who truly just refuses to learn how to play. In CS you merely have to shoot the other person. I don't see how anyone has failed at this.) and a llama is someone who uses a weapon other than the standard machine gun. llama's in CS, RtCW, TFC refer to people who use the AWP, the Panzerfaust, and the Heavy Weapons Guy(in respective order).
The word 'llama' is a way of blaming your defeat or deflating the skill of another person with such a weapon. In NS people will start calling people who turn Onos or HA grenade launcher equipped marines 'llamas'. It's inevitable. It's a strong weapon that they don't have and were just killed by it. Therefore it's YOUR fault for being such a 'lame'/'llama' (or even n00b [because you're not playing right: You're SUPPOSED to use just the Light Machine gun as ANY man who's not a "homo" or has real 'skilz' knows.]). [Side note: If the preceeding phrase looks familiar and irritates you then you might want to look out for the 'whiners' and not the others. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->])
Drunken: The phrase "CS-heads" is just another generalization that hurts this community. It shows that we merely think of all of them as stereotypical 'n00bs' and should be treated as dirt beneath our heels. So what does that mean? It'll get flung right back at us. "NS-Heads" are going to be 'elitest ######' at the very least. Not the most favorable impression for the community.
Minor Nit Pick: CS doesn't <i>produce</i> n00bs, and etc, they just have the largest holding as being the largest mod for HL as Munckin pointed out.
I'm very impressed with the response I've been getting back, often times when a 'newbie' comes into a forum and smacks the bee hive with a stick he'll get stung. Well done to everyone so far.
Also, as my first newbie question: I haven't been able to find the IRC channel (The Java client just doesn't 'cut it'/work. Could someone point the way? <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
hm....i think i'll go into the Vet-experienced section..lol...
1.I usually follows the rest (unless their directions gives NO real sense...like saying "you there, go into that spot so the bunker next to the wall can pump you full of lead"..that kinda makes me say, you go first i'll wait and see), i either go as rear guard (gives a sec to think before shooting) or as middel man...never in the lead unless most of the squad is dead..so dont make me leader!
2.Hm..i know this might sound good for some, and bad for some...most n00bs actually learn fast *hides from giant hammer that everyone else is hiding behind their backs*, unless they dont understand english...i once "Tried" with all my wits to teach a french dude how to avoid getting shot too fast...sheesh...took like 20 min!, so let's be nice to them and say "Guns and aliens are BAD, avoid em..shoot em, stay away from them".
3.Humm...ok, i know that last one said "Train the n00bs and they'll be better than you..sorta..."..so here's the bad example of n00bs...the TK n00bs (a.k.a TD n00bs for some...) The type who after warnings and well...other things not allowed to be postet here still kill's their own team for the fun of it (yes, i also know some of these who arent n00bs...but if they get bored they just kill their own team..). These n00bs are hard to train, teach or whatever..
Suggestion - First try to teach em, if failed, warn them, if failed, kick em, if they come back with same style as before...IP ban them <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
4.That was a harsh one, so let's all be good and clean our rifles for dinner...i was thinking something like fried Skulk..
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->(I've still never seen the person who truly just refuses to learn how to play.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they're easy to spot if you know waht to look for, they're ussauly the ones that are claming the game sucks because they don't know how to do something
This thread has turned into an Iden rant thread. Give it a rest , you won't change our minds , as you see ppl do agree with you on some of this but not all. You are obsessing. Get some sleep.
Necro<insert non-birthday-related title here>Join Date: 2002-08-09Member: 1118Members
pff! sleep is overrated!
basically i think cs is good..but the community sucks, to many whiners,etc. (omg stop camping, when ur defending the hostages as t on siege for example) and no teamplay. even if there is, its very VERY rare.
<!--QuoteBegin--10RoUNdTOmMYgUN+Oct. 17 2002,16:53--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (10RoUNdTOmMYgUN @ Oct. 17 2002,16:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->This thread has turned into an Iden rant thread. Give it a rest , you won't change our minds , as you see ppl do agree with you on some of this but not all. You are obsessing. Get some sleep.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I kinda like his rants, though. Even if I don't agree with him, he presents new views, and in a manner that uses grammar, spelling, and the ever missing period.
Welcome to the forum, Iden. Your presence is a Good Thing.
-Ryan!
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse #####. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll
Thanks, I try to enter communities with a bang <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Sure, it's a rant, but what's a forum without a few ranters or someone who starts that thing called a 'discussion'? I think a few people so far have enjoyed this exchange of views called a discussion or even so much as an argument instead of a flame war, it's a nice change isn't it? Besides, no one is <b>making</b> you read this thread... or ARE they?
Otherwise its back to "D00dz, we needz a sniperz rocketz machine gunz for thez alienz, would that be coolz?" <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--H'BNayr+Oct. 17 2002,21:13--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (H'BNayr @ Oct. 17 2002,21:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse #####. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ROFL! LMAO! LOL! (@ the quote)
And to Iden: I am being forced to read this thread. By the little underpance gnomes if you must know who... ;D Once again just a bit of sarcasticness(that correct?) from me for your reading pleasure.
Comments
Snake: I did read the thread, that is why I did post it. I realize that <b>some</b> of the bashing was done in jest however: it still stands. Also, if <i>you</i> read my note at the bottom: This rant was not directed at anyone particular, not even you. It's just something I had to get off my chest because I've been lurking here for a while now and watching this go on. And yes, what I described is happening in the community wether people want to admit it or not.
Freemantle: Marines can't trip 'em but an alien could go by and trip them and take the building out <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> And er... thanks for the hug? (*coughnotgaycoughcough*<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->)
Messenjah: Yes, it is out dated (That would be why they're working on CS2). I agree That's why there shouldn't be comparisons between NS and CS [And yes, there are people doing that.] It's just not fair to CS. You don't see people comparing Warcraft 1 to Earth 2150 do you? <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Again: Leave the flames at home, they're just not needed. I'm not doing this out of spite, hate, or any other reason. I'm just pointing out what I've observed and my opinons on it.
[Edit]Yes, even though I state it like it's a golden law/fact it is still just my opinion. No need to be technical. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> [/Edit]
ns = superfun;
What if I am home ;D. Interesting posts, I refuse to say anything either way on the matter though, I don't like argueing.
P.S. cs is bad because they updated it and if youve ever played/seen it when it had more bugs and it was older, it was funner (not many hackers and guns were better). And yes the dude with the long post makes a good intelligent post but the only part I disagree with is that cs is a fun game (my opinion because I hate v1.4 and above 1.3 was ok 1.1 was a little better like beta 6.5 was fun but I still liked 1.1 because not many bugs and the weapons and jumping was still good) And Flaming is bad (Im not flaming just to make my point clear.).
But CS is still the most fun mod IMO, as long as you play with people you like.
oh and i hope someone puts up a few good european servers!
Sorry man, we only do things two ways here.
a) with hugs
and
b) with shotguns
<span style='color:red'>***NUKED*** - That was not needed. Just because a comment is not directed, does not mean it can not be taken offensively.</span>
<!--EDIT|Fam|Oct. 17 2002,12:52-->
"Don't get your panties in a bunch" is not (or wasn't meant as) an insult or a flame. It's more of "chill" type of statement.
And yes you did defend the community as well... but the only reason people "blame" NS for CS noobs- well CS is the MOST POPULAR HL mod right now- so the majority of "noobish" players ARE going to come from there.
Noob by my definition has nothing to do with how new to a game they are- but rather that they ACT like they don't have a clue because they refuse to learn the game. .. Come to think of it I consider noobs and llamas to be the same thing. Hmmm... *ponders*
But besides that I did not see anyone bashing anything, I just made a post trying to make sure people were prepared to deal with people that have no clue about teamwork (and to be prepared to teach them). And for people to be prepared for the game to not work smoothly for a few days until people figure it out
also:
Newbie- someone who is new to a game/mod/whatever and wants to learn how to play
n00b- someone who is new to a game and has no intrest whatsoever of learning the proper way to play it, therefore screws up other's gaming and makes no efforts to correct the mistake. especially stupid ones NEVER learn how to properly play leading to people being into a game for a long time and still being a n00b.
*second helpful post ever...UNBAN CORK2!! (hes my hero)
I know what this thread was intended for, and I'm merely helping along with it. I'm helping to 'prepare' the others of this community by telling them to chill out. Take a step back and a reality check. NS isn't god. They aren't god. They are <b>not</b> better than the newbies.
(n00bs is actually a non existance definition. And I'm not talking technically. A person who damages the game play for everyone else is doing it on purpose and therefore obviously knows how to play. The the person is just being evil/'a meanie'. Someone who plays a game and seems as if to be an idiot (Such as a terrorist with the bomb standing over the target but doing nothing) might of been me a month ago when I couldn't remember how to plant the bomb [Embaressing eh?] or didn't have a team mate who'd help me because they were too busy being elitest and saying what a 'n00b' I was. n00b was made up to be a derogatory statement towards those who either are very bad at the game, or to prey on the weakness of the evil/meanies by implying that they are somehow on the level of a newbie in skill. Often follow by statements referring to puberty, sexual preference and/or the person's mother.)
Munch:
n00bs and llamas are defined by apparently "one who refuses to learn how to play the game" (I've still never seen the person who truly just refuses to learn how to play. In CS you merely have to shoot the other person. I don't see how anyone has failed at this.) and a llama is someone who uses a weapon other than the standard machine gun. llama's in CS, RtCW, TFC refer to people who use the AWP, the Panzerfaust, and the Heavy Weapons Guy(in respective order).
The word 'llama' is a way of blaming your defeat or deflating the skill of another person with such a weapon. In NS people will start calling people who turn Onos or HA grenade launcher equipped marines 'llamas'. It's inevitable. It's a strong weapon that they don't have and were just killed by it. Therefore it's YOUR fault for being such a 'lame'/'llama' (or even n00b [because you're not playing right: You're SUPPOSED to use just the Light Machine gun as ANY man who's not a "homo" or has real 'skilz' knows.]). [Side note: If the preceeding phrase looks familiar and irritates you then you might want to look out for the 'whiners' and not the others. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->])
Drunken:
The phrase "CS-heads" is just another generalization that hurts this community. It shows that we merely think of all of them as stereotypical 'n00bs' and should be treated as dirt beneath our heels. So what does that mean? It'll get flung right back at us. "NS-Heads" are going to be 'elitest ######' at the very least. Not the most favorable impression for the community.
Minor Nit Pick: CS doesn't <i>produce</i> n00bs, and etc, they just have the largest holding as being the largest mod for HL as Munckin pointed out.
I'm very impressed with the response I've been getting back, often times when a 'newbie' comes into a forum and smacks the bee hive with a stick he'll get stung. Well done to everyone so far.
Also, as my first newbie question: I haven't been able to find the IRC channel (The Java client just doesn't 'cut it'/work. Could someone point the way? <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
What? Oh.
irc.gamesnet.net
#naturalselection <--- one big ol' word
yep, that should do it.
1.I usually follows the rest (unless their directions gives NO real sense...like saying "you there, go into that spot so the bunker next to the wall can pump you full of lead"..that kinda makes me say, you go first i'll wait and see), i either go as rear guard (gives a sec to think before shooting) or as middel man...never in the lead unless most of the squad is dead..so dont make me leader!
2.Hm..i know this might sound good for some, and bad for some...most n00bs actually learn fast *hides from giant hammer that everyone else is hiding behind their backs*, unless they dont understand english...i once "Tried" with all my wits to teach a french dude how to avoid getting shot too fast...sheesh...took like 20 min!, so let's be nice to them and say "Guns and aliens are BAD, avoid em..shoot em, stay away from them".
3.Humm...ok, i know that last one said "Train the n00bs and they'll be better than you..sorta..."..so here's the bad example of n00bs...the TK n00bs (a.k.a TD n00bs for some...)
The type who after warnings and well...other things not allowed to be postet here still kill's their own team for the fun of it (yes, i also know some of these who arent n00bs...but if they get bored they just kill their own team..). These n00bs are hard to train, teach or whatever..
Suggestion - First try to teach em, if failed, warn them, if failed, kick em, if they come back with same style as before...IP ban them <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
4.That was a harsh one, so let's all be good and clean our rifles for dinner...i was thinking something like fried Skulk..
they're easy to spot if you know waht to look for, they're ussauly the ones that are claming the game sucks because they don't know how to do something
basically i think cs is good..but the community sucks, to many whiners,etc. (omg stop camping, when ur defending the hostages as t on siege for example) and no teamplay. even if there is, its very VERY rare.
I kinda like his rants, though. Even if I don't agree with him, he presents new views, and in a manner that uses grammar, spelling, and the ever missing period.
Welcome to the forum, Iden. Your presence is a Good Thing.
-Ryan!
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse #####. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
-- James D. Nicoll
Sure, it's a rant, but what's a forum without a few ranters or someone who starts that thing called a 'discussion'? I think a few people so far have enjoyed this exchange of views called a discussion or even so much as an argument instead of a flame war, it's a nice change isn't it? Besides, no one is <b>making</b> you read this thread... or ARE they?
Otherwise its back to "D00dz, we needz a sniperz rocketz machine gunz for thez alienz, would that be coolz?" <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
-- James D. Nicoll<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ROFL! LMAO! LOL! (@ the quote)
And to Iden: I am being forced to read this thread. By the little underpance gnomes if you must know who... ;D
Once again just a bit of sarcasticness(that correct?) from me for your reading pleasure.