Release- newbies and ineveitble complaints
Snake13
Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 554Members
Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 554Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Be prepared for a influx of newbies...</div>Okay I just wanted to take some time before the great flood of people to say to everyone who's been here (the closest thing to "vets" we have) be prepared for the newbies, The first couple days of NS online could be tough (I'm expecting the marines to get creamed) because people won't be used to working together. Be patient with new people and teach them how to work as a team, if you teach them instead of just yell at them they will stay with NS and learn how to play as a team.
To the NS dev team, because there will be a ton of people playing that no nothing of how to work as a team be prepared for a whole ton of complaints about the game being unbalanced. Its currently balanced for the marine team to work together and follow the commander, I'm expecting for the first few days the marines to get their ##### kicked until players learn how to work together properly. That means there will be two dozen "maRiNes sUxoRs!!!111" threads in the forum, Just make sure you don't give in to them, hold fast on how YOU've envisioned ns because all of us that has been here have faith in the fact you have properly balanced the game for when people figure out how to play it
To the NS dev team, because there will be a ton of people playing that no nothing of how to work as a team be prepared for a whole ton of complaints about the game being unbalanced. Its currently balanced for the marine team to work together and follow the commander, I'm expecting for the first few days the marines to get their ##### kicked until players learn how to work together properly. That means there will be two dozen "maRiNes sUxoRs!!!111" threads in the forum, Just make sure you don't give in to them, hold fast on how YOU've envisioned ns because all of us that has been here have faith in the fact you have properly balanced the game for when people figure out how to play it
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CRISPY NEEDS VEHICLE SUPPORT
ALL HOSTEAGES HAVE BEEN RESCUED
MUST CONC JUMP OVER TEH FATTEH!
arrrrr
Heavy admin presence. Muppets not tolerated.
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As for teams, I think the aliens are going to the most problems because it requires a whole new skill set. After all, a LMG fires like a HL rifle, but nothing's like a wallclimbing <b>B O B</b>.
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Heavy admin presence. Muppets not tolerated.
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Im not a muppet
Can I come, can i can i
Anyways, i shall play aliens because i use to play Vampire slayer a lot so melee = win.
<b>For teh Mind!!!</b>
N00b goes to PHL.com, "Oh looky, new mod came out. Hmm...looks cool i think i'll download it. A manual, what would I need a manual for? I'd better race my teammates to make sure I get the highest score on the team!"
There should be a password on some servers that you can only get by reading the manual or beating the tutorial.
A lot of people who play AvP2 loved the aliens because they were so quick and stealthy. I love playing the Aliens on AvP2, it's pretty easy to kill a marine or Predator. If NS's alien controls are anything like the alien controls on AvP2, I'll be fine. One more thing! Not all the aliens are melee, each one has a range weapon.
Another thought, newbs are inevitable. I agree w/ Snake- be adamant. Don't yield to silly desires. Most ppl are just casual (newb/######) gamers and in context of the game as a whole, ignore their opinions and seek more objective and skilled help from the top testers.
One last thought- I think that the ppl who will be playing this might not be incredibly newb. In the eyes of most of the community, this mod is relatively hidden and not heavily popularized. I view this as better as gameplay will be more intense and professional- however, an influx of new players is necessary to keep the community alive. I think as/if this game does succeed in popularity and is very good the newbs will actually enter later- such as what happened to CS. The ultimate test to not give in will be then because a much larger number of the community will be newb.
To cap everything off, just be adamant and listen to the established ppl =)
[z]dragon
*newb refers to "bad" players in general as in the fact their play and conceptual understanding on how to play and learn to play better is flawed and ###### .
I know a number of you think you're going to be 'cooler' or more 'in' with the vets here via bashing CS and etc, but cool it alright?
Counter Strike is a good game, there are llamas, such is with any community that grows large. However it's also a succesful and fun game and often uses unspoken strategy for it's most common manuver of flanking. As a note: Yes, there are those who go 'rambo' for the 'unexpected' effect, surpising the other side and taking out two or three out.
However if you've read any of the front line stories there are PLENTY of stories about a CERTAIN lone marines going out and taking out alien bases with very little help from anyone except when he <i>demanded</i> a shotgun from his commander or after getting in good and close telling the commander to drop a siege turrent in the vent with him. Or going out without the orders of the commander. This is 'rambo' too, but no one here will call it that, because then it's the same term they've been using to describe CS, so like I said earlier: Cool it.
NS is llama proof? Dream on. If you've got a doorway where only one person can fit through you'll get a guy who just stands there and blocks it. Trip mines damage friendlies as well when exploded? He'll attach them to the command console if he gets them from another marine's dead body. Stand in front of a turrent and block it's line of fire so it can't fire at an alien? They're fine with that. Can you talk to the other team? They'll lay out your bases defenses and where you are. Why? Just for fun. And for the same reasons they do it in Counter Strike.
But what real damage can they do? Take the command console. By the time you realize the commander is an idiot and is screwing your team up and vote him out the aliens will be done collecting themselves or demolishing your base. You'll know to vote him out early next time, but you've lost a round and part of your pride now. Now you'll all seem like cry babies when you say "It wasn't our fault our commander was being an idiot". What if you see him on another server and warn people? Are you going to try to destroy his reputation as a commander? Why would people take your word? If any word is a good word what if someone starts ruining your reputation out of spite? Trust me, there are things you can't dream of being abused that will be and will screw up the teams if someone feels evil and/or bored enough.
Did this behavior start in Counter strike? No. It's just that there are idiots in the world as the CS community is a large community so they'll have a lot of idiots. If natrual selection came out first and Counter Strike and TFC was released three years later instead I can imagine the CS and TFC community blaming NS for all the noobs, idiots, and grenade spammers. (Grenade spamming: A common 'llama' attack inherent in both TFC and NS. However both are put in as actual weapons to be used and designed by the developers. What makes one 'llama weapon for noobs' and the other 'a wicked cool idea by the NS team'?
This brings me to the inevitable end(?) of my rant:
Don't let fanboism blind you. Realize that whatever game you're following now or in the future isn't going to be the perfect game, and run on your 100mghz l33t machine with a frame rate that approaches numbers you've never imagined. However above all: Realize that because you found a 'better' game doesn't mean that all other games now in perspective are evil spawns of satan.
If you truly think so: go out and do what I've seen several of the more mature members of the community have done and go spread the word. Say why you like it, why it's great, why you think others should play it. When humbaba came to the Eve community I didn't see him slandering any other game. He merely wanted to spread what is termed to some of the die hards here as "the glory that is Natrual Selection."
To prove you like NS you don't have to go insult CS or TFC or DoD or any half life mod, or any other team based FPS. Natrual Selection is a very unique game and is the first to take the painstaking time to implement the tools for a extremely team based game along with an RTS experience as well. That doesn't mean that the other games now suck because they didn't.
<b>Warning:</b>
[Take in mind if you've skimmed this- as I imagine most of you will and you come away with the idea that I either A) Don't like NS or B) Am insulting the entire community and/or you then you might want to read it again or just pass on by and leave the flames at home.]
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No one EVER SAID NS was llama proof.
We have often said that CS is a good game, it's the community that downs it (the players.. which are the people coming to play NS.. who they're making fun of)
No need to get your panties in a bunch.
Most of what people say about CS here is true, maybe exagerated, but still holds truth. I myself I suprised that anyone at all would defend CS as they would defend their own mother as you just have, but I respect that.
CS is decent, but outdated and wrongfully called a teamplay mod. It rewards kills and not teamplay. The tactics you descibed are rarely used, and when they are it is usually in clan matches. Dont get me wrong, I have defended CS myself on these very boards. I just think you are giving it more credit than it is worth... but at the same time people on these boards dont give it enough.
*edit: and yes, I read your entire post all the way through.*
If you join a random public server, every other person will be the kind of Ub3r l33t types that people describe in their CS horor stories.
If you find a good clan server rarely someone like that will stumble in.
*edit: and besides, anyone who can fluently speak leet deserves respect, not flames. It is people who throw in random leet in their insults that I hate.*
1) Iden it's general courtesy to read a thread before you post a long rant about it
2) I think some of you may have gotten my meaning wrong, I wasn't saying there will be no teamwork and marines will suck, I 'm saying it might be like that for a short time because its gonna take time for people top adjust. I was just trying to say don't be dissapointed if it doesn't work well at first because I think ns will have a bit of a learning curve to reach its full potential and this learning curve could take server days or even a week before we see people working together and playing right (don't get me wrong we WILL get teamwork eventually, from what I've heard you simply can't play without it, so the people who can't adjust will at least leave
That was very well put. I also have pointed out many things that can be exploited in Natural Selection, but the general response I get is "You haven't played it so you don't know" or "stop being a pessimist".
The fact is, baseline human stupidity/boredom will always ruin someones fun. Until there is a spinal jack to measure a players I.Q. we will always have to move on and deal with Llamas.
Granted: There <b>are</b> things they could have done better in CS (an integrated kick system, less exploitable bugs and less hitbox intensive damage). Nonetheless, the perfect game can be ruined by human ignorance. This is 90% of why I am dedicated to being a commander.
<i>Even if I hate it...</i>
I believe I owe it to Flayra to make sure that any game I command in will be an enjoyable, memorable experience for the marine team, not regarding the exploits of other teammates (like what Iden mentioned about voicecom).
I hope you all take his words to heart. No matter how godly Flayra's coding skills are, he can not counter the backwards flow in human evolution (less sucsessful people add more to the gene-pool then CEOs and Scholars by almost 7 to 1).
All that can be done is this:<b>Every person in these forums needs to realize their responsability to Flayra. Natural Selection needs to be held in high standards. NSF and NSG are starts, but we need a sense of community between the very players. Make sure that every instant you are playing Natural Selection, your earning your right to it by making an enjoyable playing experience for others.</b>
P.S. I'm 90% sure Marines can't set off trip-mines. Marines blocking turrets is also a non-issue. To destroy the turret the alien will have to be in it's LOS eventually (unless it is a Fade using Bile Bomb). At wich point the Turret will shoot it up (though obviously with less effect).
--Scythe--
Indeed, friend. Always remember, you fight For the Mind.
-Ryan!
"...For the Mind."
-- Frrt-a