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Afr · February 2004

I was watching the movie again , the scene where the marine outpost in the desert gets attacked from the aliens coming from the caves.. so i wanted to do a similay map for ns. Made a little basic mountain just playing around.

I would like the help from other mappers to try and make a good map out of it. Just tell me if you are interested.

<img src='http://server5.uploadit.org/files/Afrafr-co_starshiptroopers.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://server5.uploadit.org/files/Afrafr-co_starshiptroopers.hammer.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Second one is from hammer.. bad quality.

Tequila · February 2004

You're definitely going to need custom textures for this project, cause that first picture makes my eyes sick <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

Good vertex editing though, if a little over-detailed.

Afr · February 2004

I know , Just a .. how should i put it.

This was just a modell for how i would like it to be.

Chrono · February 2004

good start but aliens will have a hell of alot of trouble getting down that pass without dying make some points of cover like rocks and boulders

Afr · February 2004

I was thinking more like some stone pillars and huge rocks or debris , and as you can see (if you can see it because of the bad quality) i made the tunnel leading to the hive on the second screenie and Im planning a tunnel to the right that leads near ms.

Skumby · February 2004

Out of interest, what sort of r_speeds have you got there?

Kouji_San · February 2004

Interesting. You are serious on creating this map, since Ns has lot's if outdoor issues/problems...

If this is a serious attempt on making it a playable map then be sure to read <b><a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=62266' target='_blank'>Ns Outdoor Mapping Guidelines/rules</a></b> To make it work better with ns. This wide open outside area needs lot's of attention.
You got one less problem to worry about and thats the commander view since it's a combat map.

What are the r_speeds btw on that passage, btw?

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Nice to see interests in stead of flaming <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> everyone want to know the r_speeds...

Belgarion · February 2004

that's... rediculous.

Kouji_San · February 2004

Uhoh... Here we go again, the mild form of critisism <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

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<span style='color:gray'>/me hides before the war starts</span>

Afr · February 2004

Im no good at this but .. well.. see what u make out of it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />.

<img src='http://server5.uploadit.org/files/Afrafr-r_speed1.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://server5.uploadit.org/files/Afrafr-r_speed2.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Afr · February 2004

I would welcome any mapping help i could get.

Because mostly i dont have the time or willpower to complete a map <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />.

Xyth · February 2004

Did you use terrain generator for the lanscapes? Because if you didn't, that is some mad crazy Vertex editing.

Looks nice but the textures.... burn, looks like a CS map with those textures.

Kouji_San · February 2004

998 w-poly thats a lot less then I expected, but when you get further away it will shoot up.

the rule is to keep the w-poly beneath 700 btw. with an overall of 500.
This can be attainded when you use less brushes. Lessen the detail on the rocks. That should work.

and change the textures please <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

esuna · February 2004

For the amount of detail in the mesh, it looks damned hideous. It's spikey, ugly, and just generally quite wrong.

Also, it would appear (Although it's hard to see with that many brushes) that you have a great deal going to waste also.

Quadie · February 2004

Nice work Afr, hope you find a textures that fits the level <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

keep up the work.

marcos · February 2004

He probbly created it with Nems Terrain Generator (awesome tool btw. Allmost like ut2k3 terrain mapping <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> )

And: Have you covered all the other faces with NULL texture exept the ones you can see?

Jezpuh · February 2004

Yeah you're gonna need a lot more costum textures, just using 2 halflife textures won't do it. And you also need to find a way to make the map open, yet possible for skulks to play on.

Grizzly · February 2004

nice vertex, building hills etc is a pain in the end imo

Afr · February 2004

Yes i did use the terrain edito, its a pretty easy tool.
You just create your map in it and then all you have left is 5-15 min of editing to make the rocks look nice.

I will look throught it now and see how much i can take away and edit to make it better.

Pash · February 2004

It'll be pritty good if you can get the textures right and lots of cover.

If you watch the film it is really rocky and theirs lots of bolders around,
their are also ledges.

And as someone said earlier, aliens will need lots of cover of their gonna be slaughtered.

I wish someone would re-did Wisky. That was a nice map, simple but nice.
But it could have been made a lot better, such as the tunnels being enclosed.
And a large hole/tunnel in the floor at the back of the camp for aliens to get inside.

Anyway thats going off topic...

I sugest you consentrate on that main area, if you cant get that below 700-800 r-speed or get some nice texture then their not much poijnt doing the rest unless you can think of somthing to have their.

If you can get this done.... then id be speachless.

8/10 Mapping
7/10 for insanity <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> (That is a good thing)

Afr · February 2004

Is Whisky the abandoned outpost they drop into?

If so a smaller copy of it will be right behind where the screenshots are taken from.

Olmy · February 2004

Its a good start but i reckon you could simplify that terrain to achieve lower r-speeds. Noone will criticize you for that, it is the hl engine after all <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />. Even perhaps doing it manually <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />.

Afr · February 2004

Managed to bring the w-poly to 700 at the worst spot that was 1k before.

And the other places are crawling up and down around 500-550.

Kouji_San · February 2004

I'm impressed with that w-poly decrease, and it takes a whole lot to do that...

Be sure you think of something for the sky so Skulks can't walk on it, block their path or something, since that's your next problem...
And add some more cover for the aliens...

Afr · February 2004

Im just gonna add clip or is it climbable ? probably put it pretty high near the tops for the lerks and jetpackers .

Thaldarin · February 2004

Clip is now climbable. Those rockfaces looking nothing like realistic though, too much terrain generator usage to be honest <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

MeanMrMustard · February 2004

Hmmm.

Any minute now I expect to see Gordon Freeman rolling in the sand, soaking the sun up while singing " lalalalalala"

.....

Afr · February 2004

Updated :

New textures
Marine Base layouts completed
Cave hive almost done
Middle base (layouts)

I changed the map so that it is completely surrounded by mountains.
In the middle there is an abandoned marine outpost that is the important thing in this map. Its all about controlling that base.

At the far sides you have the marine base and the hive and in the middle you have the abandoned outpost. To get to that outpost you can travel along the main big road or the caves and tunnels.

Black_Viper · February 2004

Man i cant wait, itll be a great map that every custom server shuold have, and every sst fan sould like it to go with the models that i hope to learn and make someday. Do you know how to add models to the map, maby you can have the base with the machine gun towers and stuff...

ps-can we have a pic of the new stuff?

Afr · February 2004

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Are you talking about world models ? I will try to make / find some good ones then.

But dont expect the map to be great , its only a funmap <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Ill post some new pics soon.

Pash · March 2004

ok, its been well over a month. Is it soon enough to get a few screen shots??
Or do you need more time?

Im gonna get a few models and sprites of Startship troopers ready for when your done. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> Plz dont quit this its sounding pritty good

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