<!--QuoteBegin--Necro-+Oct. 11 2002,14:22--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Necro- @ Oct. 11 2002,14:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->i actually started a leak once<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I can´t believe that you of all people started a leak. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> <b>1. Rule of the internet: Never EVER trust anyone in the internet.</b> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo--> But if you were really young and really dumb I think I can forgive you. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
in all thruthfullness i wouldn't download it! In respect to flayra and the whole team and the blood ans sweet they put into it i would wait for the finished product and respect their wishes.
Even if the PT gave you ALL the MASSES of information and passwords you would need, even if the PT gave me the FTP server and it's access code, I'd play along, let them think I was going to DL, and immediately informed Flayra and Monse.
If I'm going to PT this mod, I want it to be given to me because the NS staff wanted me to PT it. I refuse to steal their hard work.
But the PT's are well picked. The files AND PT server AND FTP are heavily passworded. The FTP is hidden from sight. The PT section of these forums is hidden from all but the people in the developer group, moderator group, and playtester group of these forums.
Flayra, Monse, and the rest of the NS staff are smart. They have good security, and they have honest, trustworthy, and loyal Playtesters.
P.S....I just thought of a great idea to ask Flayra...Is it protected by the WonId's of the PT's being hard-coded in? (You can do that...we're doing it for AnnHL)
I wouldn´t dl the rc, coz i can´t use it, play it nor watch it, so..... why should i dl it? <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
Did anyone ever consider that an intentional leak may very well come with the passwords/.dlls? I'ld find a leak at this point useless simply because a) anybody who'ld download it is probably a llama skript-kiddie, and thus a game of NS would be as fun as a root canal, and b) the real product is (likely) coming out in a few weeks. I waited 15 years to drink, I can wait 2 weeks to play a HL mod.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->they never on purpose show something that they know is broken. Doing so is just stupid. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you ever play Ultima 9? A patch came out for that days later which solved a page and a half of game breaking bugs and crashes. Stupid? Yes. But don't for a moment believe it doesn't happen.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Inexorable+Oct. 11 2002,22:35--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Inexorable @ Oct. 11 2002,22:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you ever play Ultima 9? A patch came out for that days later which solved a page and a half of game breaking bugs and crashes. Stupid? Yes. But don't for a moment believe it doesn't happen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm might be guessing here, but I don't think those who made Ultima 9 <i>knew that it was buggy and then released it.</i> <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Never would I D/L a leaked HL MOD. Stupid idea to leak and therfore an even more stupid idea to download one. Just leave things the way they should be. I wouldn't even look at the link, for seeing the fruits of evil can always tempt some.
A leak would be very easy to find and contain, considering that unless the server files got out, a) everyone on the PT server would know immediately that you weren't supposed to be there, and b) Flayra would immediately release a new version that changed all the passwording etc.
Plus, AFAIK, the NDA, despite being mostly lifted, would most certainly still cover any leaks of software, and I do believe that the NDA is a legal document signed by every playtester.
No, wouldn't DL it, that would just be wrong for Flay and the devs to have spent 2 years without pay on this, then have it leaked by some immature person.
On a side note, wouldn't you be able to use the 'map' command in the console from the main HL menu? even without the server files? (I like technical information like this even if I never use it lol! )
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->What's the point of doing that? You can't play on any servers, no bots, so why?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even if the PT gave you ALL the MASSES of information and passwords you would need, even if the PT gave me the FTP server and it's access code, I'd play along, let them think I was going to DL, and immediately informed Flayra and Monse.
If I'm going to PT this mod, I want it to be given to me because the NS staff wanted me to PT it. I refuse to steal their hard work.
But the PT's are well picked. The files AND PT server AND FTP are heavily passworded. The FTP is hidden from sight. The PT section of these forums is hidden from all but the people in the developer group, moderator group, and playtester group of these forums.
Flayra, Monse, and the rest of the NS staff are smart. They have good security, and they have honest, trustworthy, and loyal Playtesters.
P.S....I just thought of a great idea to ask Flayra...Is it protected by the WonId's of the PT's being hard-coded in? (You can do that...we're doing it for AnnHL)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You sir, are an honorable person and I envie you for that.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ahnteis+Oct. 11 2002,14:57--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Ahnteis @ Oct. 11 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->What's the point of doing that? You can't play on any servers, no bots, so why?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> To get your "L33T H4X0r" merit badge. <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Khaim+Oct. 11 2002,14:51--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Khaim @ Oct. 11 2002,14:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->On a side note, wouldn't you be able to use the 'map' command in the console from the main HL menu? even without the server files?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, that starts a lan server, and you need the server files to do that. You can watch demos without the server files, but that's a whole other story.
considering a leak could hold viruses, trojans, and nuclear bombs, i wouldn't download is becuase it just isn't as good as the final product.
sorry, but i think ill wait for teh 1337 ambushing <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
Heh, this threads getting longer... another question <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> Lets say it DID somehow work, the server files etc were avilable and people started up servers for the leak, would you download it and play it ? Yes I know this wont happen, but lets just say it did. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo-->
BTW its also bug-free , trojan-free, and is very near to being complete.
who wouldnt dl ns if was leaked?? (prolly some of you goody goodies <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> ) because i know that i sure would
Now you've done it Coil, I not coming back to this thread in fear of seeing a bunch of people making fools of themselves and pleading forgiveness <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
Hell I would download it. And as for, "The really funny thing is, this thread is a great way to weed out those community members who will *never* be playtesters." Interesting considering playtesting is almost over since NS will be released soon so I highly doubt there will be more playtesters added for only a short time. If you mean they will never be playtesters in any mod/game then that is really opinionated <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
Honour is such an artificial concept, is it not? People always use it to justify their actions when they want to conceal their true motivations.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I do believe that the NDA is a legal document signed by every playtester.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps, but there is no financial damage. Copyright infringements of much greater magnitude go unpunished every minute.
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<i>Whew</i>
You presume correctly.
<i>Whew</i>
You presume correctly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL
I can´t believe that you of all people started a leak. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
<b>1. Rule of the internet: Never EVER trust anyone in the internet.</b> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo--> But if you were really young and really dumb I think I can forgive you. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
Even if the PT gave you ALL the MASSES of information and passwords you would need, even if the PT gave me the FTP server and it's access code, I'd play along, let them think I was going to DL, and immediately informed Flayra and Monse.
If I'm going to PT this mod, I want it to be given to me because the NS staff wanted me to PT it. I refuse to steal their hard work.
But the PT's are well picked. The files AND PT server AND FTP are heavily passworded. The FTP is hidden from sight. The PT section of these forums is hidden from all but the people in the developer group, moderator group, and playtester group of these forums.
Flayra, Monse, and the rest of the NS staff are smart. They have good security, and they have honest, trustworthy, and loyal Playtesters.
P.S....I just thought of a great idea to ask Flayra...Is it protected by the WonId's of the PT's being hard-coded in? (You can do that...we're doing it for AnnHL)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->they never on purpose show something that they know is broken. Doing so is just stupid.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you ever play Ultima 9? A patch came out for that days later which solved a page and a half of game breaking bugs and crashes. Stupid? Yes. But don't for a moment believe it doesn't happen.
I'm might be guessing here, but I don't think those who made Ultima 9 <i>knew that it was buggy and then released it.</i> <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
What's the point of doing that? You can't play on any servers, no bots, so why?
Plus, AFAIK, the NDA, despite being mostly lifted, would most certainly still cover any leaks of software, and I do believe that the NDA is a legal document signed by every playtester.
On a side note, wouldn't you be able to use the 'map' command in the console from the main HL menu? even without the server files? (I like technical information like this even if I never use it lol! )
Exactly my thoughts.
Even if the PT gave you ALL the MASSES of information and passwords you would need, even if the PT gave me the FTP server and it's access code, I'd play along, let them think I was going to DL, and immediately informed Flayra and Monse.
If I'm going to PT this mod, I want it to be given to me because the NS staff wanted me to PT it. I refuse to steal their hard work.
But the PT's are well picked. The files AND PT server AND FTP are heavily passworded. The FTP is hidden from sight. The PT section of these forums is hidden from all but the people in the developer group, moderator group, and playtester group of these forums.
Flayra, Monse, and the rest of the NS staff are smart. They have good security, and they have honest, trustworthy, and loyal Playtesters.
P.S....I just thought of a great idea to ask Flayra...Is it protected by the WonId's of the PT's being hard-coded in? (You can do that...we're doing it for AnnHL)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You sir, are an honorable person and I envie you for that.
To get your "L33T H4X0r" merit badge. <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
B: NS is updated quite frequently, and if you tried to join a server after a certain preiod, than you couldn't join a pt server.
But quite honestly I would download it.
No, that starts a lan server, and you need the server files to do that. You can watch demos without the server files, but that's a whole other story.
sorry, but i think ill wait for teh 1337 ambushing <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::skulk::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bob.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::skulk::'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/pudgy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::gorge::'><!--endemo-->
Lets say it DID somehow work, the server files etc were avilable and people started up servers for the leak, would you download it and play it ?
Yes I know this wont happen, but lets just say it did. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='::asrifle::'><!--endemo-->
BTW its also bug-free , trojan-free, and is very near to being complete.
Commence panic on my mark, all of you who said you'd DL/leak it...
3, 2, 1, mark.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I do believe that the NDA is a legal document signed by every playtester.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps, but there is no financial damage. Copyright infringements of much greater magnitude go unpunished every minute.