Hate Losing As Aliens
Byeka
Name changed from Freak83Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
Name changed from Freak83Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">but love losing as marines!</div> I find that whenever I'm losing as an alien I just want to F4 and the only thing that stops me from doing so is my morals and how it would look bad on my clan. But seriously here, I just find that losing as aliens sucks, let's look at some of the ways you can lose.
<b><u>Siege Marines</b></u>
Marines own all the res towers on the map and build a massive army of 20 sieges outside your base. They don't even have the skill to come in and shoot it down themselves. Losers.
<b><u>HA Train Rush</b></u>
A big fat train of HA marines come tearing around the map to take you down. The only thing that can stop them is a huge army of Onos which at this point you usually don't have the res to get. There's no stopping them. Cheapness till end of game, losers.
<b><u>Knife/Welder Rush</b></u>
Don't see this too often but it's just so the marines can show their unlimited power by taking everything including your OC chambers and hive down with their welders or knives. Humiliation to add to defeat, losers.
<b><u>Early game Shotty Rush</b></u>
An annoying comm wants to end the game as soon as it started. Rush them with 1 hit kill shotties cause aliens don't even have time to get any chambers up to heal them. You die as soon as you spawn and you can't fight back. Losers.
<b><u>Late game LA Rush</b></u>
Perhaps the only method where it's fair because aliens at least have a tiny chance. Marines swarm into the hive with nothing but LA + LMG and some upgrades. Still hate it but it's probably the best of the worst.
<b><u>Jetpack Rush</b></u>
I hardly ever see this so I don't have much to say other than annoying marines flying away from you shooting the hive. Much more annoying in 1.04 but at lest jetpacks were fun to use back then.
Nooooooow.... when you're on the marine team and you're losing... now that's fun! I like seeing the aliens having all that power and that's the perfect time to try and knife and Onos without getting shouted at from your entire team. You know at that one point there is no chance of recovery and there's only hiding now. And aliens attack in fair ways too, just their abilities. No teleporting next to marine spawn and shooting it through walls.
Ok last thing I'd like to say, I know I probably sound mad because I just lost as aliens or something but I'm not. I just actually won as aliens a few times, I just wanted to say once and for all why losing as aliens sucks so much and wanted to know if others felt this way too.
<b><u>Siege Marines</b></u>
Marines own all the res towers on the map and build a massive army of 20 sieges outside your base. They don't even have the skill to come in and shoot it down themselves. Losers.
<b><u>HA Train Rush</b></u>
A big fat train of HA marines come tearing around the map to take you down. The only thing that can stop them is a huge army of Onos which at this point you usually don't have the res to get. There's no stopping them. Cheapness till end of game, losers.
<b><u>Knife/Welder Rush</b></u>
Don't see this too often but it's just so the marines can show their unlimited power by taking everything including your OC chambers and hive down with their welders or knives. Humiliation to add to defeat, losers.
<b><u>Early game Shotty Rush</b></u>
An annoying comm wants to end the game as soon as it started. Rush them with 1 hit kill shotties cause aliens don't even have time to get any chambers up to heal them. You die as soon as you spawn and you can't fight back. Losers.
<b><u>Late game LA Rush</b></u>
Perhaps the only method where it's fair because aliens at least have a tiny chance. Marines swarm into the hive with nothing but LA + LMG and some upgrades. Still hate it but it's probably the best of the worst.
<b><u>Jetpack Rush</b></u>
I hardly ever see this so I don't have much to say other than annoying marines flying away from you shooting the hive. Much more annoying in 1.04 but at lest jetpacks were fun to use back then.
Nooooooow.... when you're on the marine team and you're losing... now that's fun! I like seeing the aliens having all that power and that's the perfect time to try and knife and Onos without getting shouted at from your entire team. You know at that one point there is no chance of recovery and there's only hiding now. And aliens attack in fair ways too, just their abilities. No teleporting next to marine spawn and shooting it through walls.
Ok last thing I'd like to say, I know I probably sound mad because I just lost as aliens or something but I'm not. I just actually won as aliens a few times, I just wanted to say once and for all why losing as aliens sucks so much and wanted to know if others felt this way too.
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However, between the Khaara and 'rines, I'm indifferent. Winning is obviously better, but losses are generally about the same to me. What you call cheap I call smart... Remember, it's not a question of being lame (or a loser, or a pansy, or a ****, etc), but of being efficient and smart. If you have a sizable heavy train against fairly negligible defenses, walk in! If you're dealing with a massive OC blockade the likes of which could take down Luke Skywalker without breaking a sweat, it's siege time, rather than wasting <i>everyone's</i> time with a dozen plus two heavy trains to finally get in.
That and, every time a heavy train, or jetpack rush, or whatever fails, the comm puts his team in a position to lose, and that cannot be forgiven. I only wish aliens would show such coordination in their endgames (many alien endgames <i>suck</i>), so they wouldn't drag on forever just because the marines have 6 turrets, or 2 hmgs, or whatever. That and the whole "leave them alive and play with them" concept is rather stupid, in my humble opinion.
Turret farm sieging forever!
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Im not sure but I find it more fun as an alien and chomping on marines and earning my res then going lerk, fade, or onos and taking down the marine base or at least charging a group of five marines and tearing the crap outta them but as marines its actually alot more fun to lose and fight back the hellish alien hordes. My personal fav was our squad went to a res tower we get it up and bam 6 skulks come flying at us. My two teammates each take one down before falling and theres me reloading my gun after killing my skulk... I spray and pray one skulk taking him down while using the pistol to blast the other one before he knew what hit him and if my happiest moment ever taking out my knife jumping over the skulk and pivoting just in time to knife him (he had low health but still COOL!!!) then an onos promptly came and ate me destroyed the res tower and we basically lost from there you know how it goes hold out in your base hurting them as much as you can and its impossible to expand.
I have more fun fighting the impossible as a marine because we know were gonna lose. Come on we all know when we go as marine agaisnt any decent alien team its a lost game its just what happens but when we win its because we know its because A. Teams are stacked B. the aliens just suck (falls under A.) aliens are just fun to screw around with heck me and buddies screw around most of the game and then look and say oh we need to win? and we promptly destroy their base thats just how NS plays to me and I like it like that though I'm getting a tad bored and wanted to really try combat it seems more my style... the one man actually making the difference thing.
Thats exacly the thing because lot of people say 1.04 was more fun. When marines won it usually was a quick win(JP/HMG rush). Alien endgame was pretty much the same as it is now... ok acid spam instead of onos rush. But marines still had a chance of killin some guys.
Thats where it all lies, when your losing as rines from sporespamming it just ain't fun cos u don't really get a chance to fight back, same as aliens spawncamping u isn't fun and having ur spawn oced isn't fun (to some extent cos u get to shoot something but not a player).
That la/lmg never seems to work cos if a skulk gets behind you, you are easily slaughtered, its when they get into the hive and start spawn camping u are stuffed.
Damn thats a good idea, I'll have to try that one. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nothing wrong with that, gives you time to head over to the other side of the map to setup a chill room, fight fire with fire.
Nothing wrong with that, gives you time to head over to the other side of the map to setup a chill room, fight fire with fire.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
how the hell are u gonna escape ur hive and get through the turret farm when they are spawn camping? please tell me i need to know.
As a marine , do the aliens a favor and rush their hive without HAs or JPs , fight like a man and spawnkill them at melee range ! There's nothing like epic fights where marines die trying to kill the hive , and keep rushing it. That's why IP rushes are fun.
Phased sieges aren't boring if the aliens have higher lifeforms. Again , epic fights where the onos tries to keep the marines out of siege range while they put maximal pressure on him.
Oh , and fighting hive 3 aliens is totally cool. The clash of the highest tech abilities is fascinating , and the HA train actually faces a challenge.
But hive 1 aliens just can't defend against HAs , so they have the right to F4 if the marines don't end the game very quickly.
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You forgot the: HAs spawncamp your hive, while they slowly and laboriously build a 60-turret siege base around the corner. Thank god for admin_ban... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nothing wrong with that, gives you time to head over to the other side of the map to setup a chill room, fight fire with fire. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What need is there for a "chill room"?!?!
"Hey if the rines are gonna take their time killing us then im gonna triple the wait and sit in a vent with DC!!! It'll be so fun!! Living 3 mins longer than all the other aliens!! And annoying the hell out of my teammates coz i wasted all my res on this hidey hole that will just get sieged anyway!!"
I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU!
Back on topic, i have to agree losing as rines is so much more fun than aliens.
I hate HA medspam, i figure if you got HA you have been given such an advantage over most of the aliens you should be able to look after yourself.
Spawncamping without making any sort of attempt at the hive till you have a 20 siege salute is lame.
I just prefer if someone is going to 20 siege salute at least send one man into the hive to try to take it down then giving the rine something to do and the boredom of the aliens is less if they have something more fun to fight against.
Shotty rush is fun if not used in excess, same as skulk rush.
Jps are fun to chase so anything JP related is cool with me.
HA train is boring unless you have at least 1 very smart onos on your team that you can hide behind and help wreak havoc.
But the ultimate in boring is the losers who take themselves off very early before the endgame and spend all their res hiding in a vent while they coulda spent it on a hive or some more chambers for your team. At least res **** can be useful sometimes as opposed to vent hiders...
- RD
Geez, chill dude, this isn't something you'll catch me doing every round, only if marines are being lame will I return the favor and I definately will not be doing it " very early before endgame ". If my res is gonna be better spent elsewhere I'll do it, but whats the difference between putting a hive up when the rest of ur team is dead and building a chill room when there's 10 heavies marching around?
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Yes.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(Roger Dodger @ Jan 9 2004, 07:00 AM)
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Geez, chill dude, this isn't something you'll catch me doing every round, only if marines are being lame will I return the favor and I definately will not be doing it " very early before endgame ". If my res is gonna be better spent elsewhere I'll do it, but whats the difference between putting a hive up when the rest of ur team is dead and building a chill room when there's 10 heavies marching around? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry to be so harsh but im sure many will understand my pain...
Your idea of being lame doesnt effect the rines in any way and gives them something to hunt down...
But for the people on your team however who died trying to save the hive (no matter how futile) have to endure the 3 mins extra you delayed the endgame. You achieve absolutely nothing by doing this except annoying the aliens.
Yes aliens could f4 but way too many times do i see the alien players see how long someone can hold out in their shelter and see if they can beat your time next round. This ends up being a large enough minority that f4 just doesnt work and people who want to play the game leave and the server dies.
- RD
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No problem, I guess things are different where you play. I come from a pretty small community so the regulars know each other really well, if someones being lame ( chill room at the end of a round ) most ppl will take it as a joke, especially the rest of the alien team.
Losing as an alien is rather annoying though i don't consider any ending lame unless it's an exploit. It maybe annoying to have be spawn camped but i've done it as a marine before and it's a good means to and end. As for the 20 siege salute, thats just hilarity and does end it quite quickly <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Saying that though sometimes sieges are quite annoying if your on your last hive and they have HA. I'd rather they shot the crap out of the hive as it gives us a chance to fight on rather than getting annihlated by an unseen foe.
Since when is building 20 sieges ever ended a game quickly and I mean even if the comm doesnt have to save the res to do it? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(SuperTeflon @ Jan 9 2004, 05:05 AM)
You forgot the: HAs spawncamp your hive, while they slowly and laboriously build a 60-turret siege base around the corner. Thank god for admin_ban... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nothing wrong with that, gives you time to head over to the other side of the map to setup a chill room, fight fire with fire. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What need is there for a "chill room"?!?!
"Hey if the rines are gonna take their time killing us then im gonna triple the wait and sit in a vent with DC!!! It'll be so fun!! Living 3 mins longer than all the other aliens!! And annoying the hell out of my teammates coz i wasted all my res on this hidey hole that will just get sieged anyway!!"
I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU!
But the ultimate in boring is the losers who take themselves off very early before the endgame and spend all their res hiding in a vent while they coulda spent it on a hive or some more chambers for your team. At least res **** can be useful sometimes as opposed to vent hiders...
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Hazaah! I cheer you Roger! This is why I support the Idea of Chambers taking damage from the P.O.D., or at the very least, they should become non-functional.
The only marine win i find slightly lame is siege outside the hive, but, what can you do.
COME ON!! You have excluded EVERY way for the marines to win because they are "lame" What kind of an excuse is that? It's your fault they are winning, they worked for the victory, let them have it. You don't like it? Dont play so bad.
I disagree with you on every single thing (apart from maybe the siege) There is nothing wrong with marine victories. Just because they take longer doesnt make them bad.
Aliens can be just as bad. How long have you seen aliens camping outside the base sporing the IPs until a couple of them manage to save up for Onos.
You are never going to enjoy any sort of losing (or winning) if you don't have the right attitude. Instead of saying "OMG DONT BE SO F***ING LAME!!", say "Well played marines, gg" Not only will you feel better, but so will everybody else on the server. One person showing a positive attitude can do wonders for the atmosphere. It also makes the marines feel less like they "owned" the aliens are more like they did well in a game. When all the marines are saying "OMG OWNED" saying "pld rines" can really give them something to think about, and will shut them up much more effectively than saying "SUYF LAMERS"