Al Qaeda Takes To The Sea

RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">A new direction for terrorism?</div> <a href='http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8275228%255E2,00.html' target='_blank'>Clickeh</a>

I saw this news piece whilst brousing through my local news site. It seems to indicate that terrorism may be shifting in a new direction. Certainly targets like large passanger liners are vunerable to attack, and even a simple explosive device on such a vessal could cause catastrophic loss of life. What worries me more though is the prospect of oil or liquified natural gas tankers being hijacked at sea and sunk or blown up in western harbors. The reports of new attacks on aircraft also seemed to show that Al Qaeda is still quite determined to employ air attacks again.

All in all, it's a worrying report. If Al Qaeda is indeed capable of undertaking such missions, one must ask ones' self what effect, if any, the ongoing war on terror has had on the terrorist groups' organisation. Of course, the simple fact that these attacks havn't occured or have been stopped might indicate that Al Qaeda may be a broken force.

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  • pikeypikey Join Date: 2003-06-16 Member: 17406Members
    Oh dear... pirates...
  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Dec 28 2003, 09:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Dec 28 2003, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All in all, it's a worrying report. If Al Qaeda is indeed capable of undertaking such missions, one must ask ones' self what effect, if any, the ongoing war on terror has had on the terrorist groups' organisation. Of course, the simple fact that these attacks havn't occured or have been stopped might indicate that Al Qaeda may be a broken force. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you have a better solution though? Its not like we can just sit back and do nothing. The war on terror is both a military and financial/economic/diplomatic war. It cannot be accomplished following either method alone.
  • ParasiteParasite Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 431Members
    Well, its nothing new really, theyve attacked military sea vessels this way before, and theyve already made it clear they intend to hit civilian targets...it would be naive to assume that doesnt include cruise ships. Im still going on a cruise this summer regardless.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you have a better solution though? Its not like we can just sit back and do nothing. The war on terror is both a military and financial/economic/diplomatic war. It cannot be accomplished following either method alone.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Oh I'm not suggesting that the war on terror is a bad thing (terrorism must be combatted). I just question whether events such as the Iraq War really helped us fight terror. It was after all a fairly major conflict in the war on terror. Also I wonder if we are using the right tactics. But I'm not a general or intelligance official <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Well, first of all, the wisest thing to do is to give it time. Throughout history it takes some actions years and years before they produce a reaction.
  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Dec 30 2003, 04:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Dec 30 2003, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, first of all, the wisest thing to do is to give it time. Throughout history it takes some actions years and years before they produce a reaction. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wish more people would understand that little fact.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--vP-|Pikey+Dec 28 2003, 07:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vP-|Pikey @ Dec 28 2003, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh dear... pirates... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    where are the antiterrorism ninjas ;_;
  • SuperTeflonSuperTeflon Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24893Banned
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--vP-|Pikey+Dec 28 2003, 02:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vP-|Pikey @ Dec 28 2003, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh dear... pirates... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You should win an award for that <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyway I think we need some perspective here:

    As long as we harness technology for some obscure purpose something can and will go wrong to kill everyone using it, and there will ALWAYS be some sick stupid **** who wants it to happen: Either a religious nutcase or some 14 year old hacker who was breast-fed until he was 7.

    You think terrorism now is bad?

    Imagine in the future when we're colonizing the moon... GG explosive decompression.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    In regards to the initial posts are you people aware that in Greece, there is a large ship buying/selling company that operates there. They have jsut recently as in last 2 months. SOld 15 large tanker type cargo ships to people with al Qaidea connections. The ships have since disapeared.

    British and US satalites ahve been looking for them in the Indian Ocean and and near the african coast.

    CNN donest tell ya things like that. ooh how I love censorship and information control.
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    AAAARRRRrrrrr Matey!!!

    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    but then again boats are probably the worst places to be on as a terrorist.
    1- if you get caught, there's no place to run to, unless you plan to steal a life boat or have some other boat come up there
    2- boats carry many, many, passengers, and thus many many eyes. the more eyes, the less of a chance they'll get away with planting that explosive under the table
    3- vital areas like the engine room are constantly inhabitted by the crew and similar personel. if you get caught here, especially with your explosives, you'll be doing 50 lashes for sure.


    Not exactly a good idea to attack a ship, if you ask me. NTM they're VERY difficult to sink (despite what you think, most ships can stay afloat even while heavilly damaged for hours, or perhaps even indefinately.)
  • ParasiteParasite Join Date: 2002-04-13 Member: 431Members
    They are running suicide missions and crashing ships into other ships...no other passengers, no crew and no worry of getting caught...they die in the process. They arent gonna be buying tickets and loading suitcases with explosives.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In regards to the initial posts are you people aware that in Greece, there is a large ship buying/selling company that operates there. They have jsut recently as in last 2 months. SOld 15 large tanker type cargo ships to people with al Qaidea connections. The ships have since disapeared.

    British and US satalites ahve been looking for them in the Indian Ocean and and near the african coast.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Davis, you got any links for that info? It sounds quite interesting and I want to find out more about it.
  • Boy_who_lost_his_wingsBoy_who_lost_his_wings Join Date: 2003-12-03 Member: 23924Banned
    I think they are fighting a losing battle, in order for the US to win "The war on terror" then they need a full blown win, i.e. extermination of radical and fundamentalist islamic thinking, as well as thoes that harbor such ideas. The "terrorist" just need a tie to win, if ya know what im sayin
  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    No... The US does not need to win completely. It just needs to win with the majority of the population and with their governments. There will still be terrorrists... But we just have to make them a as miniscule as possible. Now... to do that we must play to win completely.
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I've always beleived the term "war on terror" was redundant and made no sense. Fighting a war against a political/fundamental entity with no positive base of operations and with individual terrorists joining the fray almost randomly is like trying to fight crime before the crime is committed, only unlike in Minority Report we don't have psychics. Sure, you can station some peacekeepers in Afghanistan, invade Iraq (which I beleive happened for reasons unrelated to terrorism, but that's a whole other story), and even destroy the tunnel networks... You _cannot_ station peacekeepers across the entire world as long as political and religious ideals differ so significantly. But the only way I see to sufficiently defend against terrorism is to have a global paramilitary organization that can freely travel across borders _anywhere_ in the world backed by a superpower like the Western Coalition or China. As long as there is a scapegoat for the terrorist recruiters to point at (Israel and the States), more and more Islamic extremists will be joining the ranks of Al Quaeda and other fundamentalist terrorist groups. Needless to say, it is extremely improbable that such a powerful "terrorism control" force would be assembled and even less likely that it would be allowed to freely enter any country to carry out its function.
  • EvisceratorEviscerator Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13946Members, Constellation
    Terrorism will not stop until you address the fundamental issues the terrorists are fighting for. No one fights a war without a cause... there will not be any victor until both sides can come to a treaty to end the fighting or one side is completely wiped away. Since there is no plan right now to address the fundamental problems, both sides will continue to fight indefinitely. This is only another phase in this decades-long struggle. Sooner or later we'll have to realize that we cannot kill every muslim on this planet.

    War begets war.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--TommyVercetti+Jan 3 2004, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Jan 3 2004, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've always beleived the term "war on terror" was redundant and made no sense. Fighting a war against a political/fundamental entity with no positive base of operations and with individual terrorists joining the fray almost randomly <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So you're saying we should get rid of all policemen? You just described all law enforcement on earth and their fights against the common criminal.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Terrorism will not stop until you address the fundamental issues the terrorists are fighting for.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And what cause would that be? The right to oppress women? The right to not hold elections? The right to deny freedom of speech and religion? There are so many wonderful causes in the middleeast that demand defense from the infidel!
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