Merines And Onos

Strafer · August 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">digestion</div> I think that the onos should not be able to eat a merine that has heavy armor on. i agreee the power to eat somone is a neat little trick and is very usefull for the alians. but having the power to kill a merine with with heavyarmor and hmg in a single hit is insane. not to mention if he has redem he cant be killed and merine has no hope of getting out. Also if you think about it do you really think the onos would be able to eat all that armor? and if he did he would die along with the merine when he goes to take a crap.

Zek · August 2003

Redeem Devouring is being fixed. However, making an Onos unable to devour HAs eliminates the #1 purpose of Devour and effectively gimps one of the primary alien methods of fighting back against an HA train without 3 hives. I've heard this suggestion many times and it's just as bad an idea as it always has been.

Glide · August 2003

....

No.
Your just having a cry because you got killed by an onos.

Jammer · August 2003

It makes sense logically, but it makes for worse gameplay.

I still think marines should be able to at least knife from inside an onos, at greatly reduced damage. If I were stuck in something's stomach, I'd be trying like hell to kill the thing :-)

cshank4 · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jammer @ Aug 7 2003, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It makes sense logically, but it makes for worse gameplay.

I still think marines should be able to at least knife from inside an onos, at greatly reduced damage. If I were stuck in something's stomach, I'd be trying like hell to kill the thing :-)  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
'Hey is that a piece of pizza?... wait... OH SWEET MARY IM BEING DIGESTED AHHHH KNIEF KNIEF KNIEF. Splat'

Whats the point of being able to knife inside of em when you die too fast to be able to kill the thing anyways?

fo_sheezy_my_neezy · August 2003

well, the way I see it while being digested, there's no room to knife...... but the point would be to reduce his health even further as your homies are trying to bust you out. it could be the deciding factor, but like I said, no room to knife (or shoot) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Grimm · August 2003

Onos is friggin huge! Something nearly as big as a medium to small sized elephant should definitely be able to eat a Heavy Armor marine. That, and the fact that its all sci-fi stuff, so normal laws of science don't have to apply.

That, and the fact that without devour, most HA Trains are impossible to stop.

I must admit, knifing the inside of the onos does sound like an interesting idea.

Esit: Spelling

MrKNifey · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>That, and the fact that its all sci-fi stuff, so normal lawys of science don't have to apply.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Then why do we have people running around in the modelling forums complaining about gun designs that aren't based on some kind of feasible possible gun action?

I find it funny for people to get all worked up about things like that.

Grimm · August 2003

Thats a very good point, there are a lot of people who complain about the weapon models and their functionality. Anyone remember the unusable scope on the lmg? People would go on and on about that... rather pointless to whine about not being able to use it if you ask me.

JohnnySmash · August 2003

Personally I wish you could have explosives implanted inside you so when the Onos eats you you explode. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

That would be over-compensating though. Then Onos simply wouldn't use digest and thus marines would have no use for the explosives.

Whatever. I don't think it's an issue- it's a counter and that's cool with me. Especially since the counter costs 100 res.

Don't complain about balance anyways! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

-JohnnySmash

Monkeybonk · August 2003

It's impossible to drop your knife. Cut your way out <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

ka0s · August 2003

hello the answer is very simple..

Heart Burn
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Heart Burn</span>
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Heart Burn</span>

Trail_Duck · August 2003

Yeah or a small hand-held nuclear device where you can blow yourself and the Onos up. :sarcasm: <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

SoulSkorpion · August 2003

This is what was said to me when I suggested Oni be unable to redeem with a full stomach, and I'll say it now: use shotguns. You'll kill the onos before he redeems, freeing your buddy. It doesn't matter whether you're HA or not.

Anyway, making HA indigestible would unfairly nerf devour.

Demented · August 2003

Personally, I think that an onos should spit the marine out when his health goes below a certain level, while still allowing him to redeem. This stops the onos from being the eat-and-run prepetrator of doom it currently is, while still retaining the basic purpose of redemption. (Remember, redemption is meant to ENSURE your survival but at the price of lowered combat efficency.) This will also prevent the situation where nobody will want to risk 100 res engaging a HA train with a minute chance of survival. A competent HA train will do sufficent damage to the onos in order to prevent it from doing significant damage through digestion before spitting him out.

CForrester · August 2003

First of all, the Suggestions and Ideas forum is closed for a reason. They don't need you telling them how to balance the game. They gather enough statistics, and the PTs and Vets are working hard yet again, I'm sure, to put out a balanced version.

Also, please us a spellchecker next time. (I apologize if english is not your first language.)

Strafer · August 2003

im just saying this because its clear the game is unbalanced i must have played like 20 games on the ready rooms server and merines must have won like 2 out of those 20.

MrKNifey · August 2003

What's a merine?

Sarisel · August 2003

I'm beginning to understand why moderators lock these topics.

How will the 2nd ability of the Onos have ANY use whatsoever when the Marines are all equipped with heavy armor? Use brain before posting, gg.

nthing · August 2003

HA are not meant to be a counter to onos, quite the contrary actually. Onos are meant to be a counter to HA.

Although I think that onos should still be able to devour a HA marine, I think that it should slow the Onos down a little more than it currently does. Maybe it should also take into account the weapon and ammo loadout too, and slow the onos down accordingly, though maybe that's a bit silly.

Strafer · August 2003

well of course if they all had heavy arm then no the skill would have no effect...... then the poor alians would actually have to attack them.......gasp

Anavrin · August 2003

Yes, I know suggestions are closed, but this is so *PITIFULLY* obvious as to how to fix the Onos digesting problem...

Make it so that if the Onos redeems, he leaves behind the marine. Hell, redemption is supposed to work only on the bacterium, not the marine.

I cannot believe it's not how it is in 2.01b.

a_civilian · August 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Strafer @ Aug 7 2003, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>but having the power to kill a merine with with heavyarmor and hmg in a single hit is insane.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
But it doesn't kill them unless the Onos survives, and it will only survive if the marines aren't any good, or if it has support, in which case it should be able to kill the marine.

I really don't think that the ability to devour a heavy armor marine is unbalanced in any way.

eViL_tHe_CaT · August 2003

[SIZE=1]couldn't we have a poop animation? I think that if a marine is digested he should come out of the onos' behind, all brown and runny ..
think of it, man-sized turds all over ns_eclipse ... maybe the turds could have a function, i.e. health packs for aliens or marine fear ..

Merines And Onos

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