Us Troops In Iraq
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Right. This is an actual discussion. Ive seen other threads in here that have been allowed to die natural deaths and others that were nuked into oblivion. I think it really has to do with the flamey-ness of the contents. So, at the first sign of any flaming, i willingly give the thread to nukeage. Keep it civil please, I want to hear people honest opinions. Onward.
So. If you watch CNN at all, there have been a couple stories about soldiers in Iraq writing home to family saying how miserable it is, how stressful, and how much they want to come home. They have said that their morale is low and they no longer want to carry out their duties. Personnally, I think that this is a bit much. I mean, it is their job. Their job comes with being shot at and I dont really think this is quite appropriate. I know some people might not think I have a right to an opinion but I do know that these guys aren't conscripts. They are volunteers. Whats your opinion?
So. If you watch CNN at all, there have been a couple stories about soldiers in Iraq writing home to family saying how miserable it is, how stressful, and how much they want to come home. They have said that their morale is low and they no longer want to carry out their duties. Personnally, I think that this is a bit much. I mean, it is their job. Their job comes with being shot at and I dont really think this is quite appropriate. I know some people might not think I have a right to an opinion but I do know that these guys aren't conscripts. They are volunteers. Whats your opinion?
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what do you think how the iraqis feel?
Now which part of that do you find offensive? And how does it not refer to your post?
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I dont find it offensive, i think it is a valid opinion on another topic. My post was asking for your opinions whether or not it is appropriate that some US troops are writing home complaining and such, not whether or not they should be there.
Apart from the above mix up, I think this is going nicely. Jay, I agree. It is their job. Dubers, they are only human but like I said, there not conscripts.
And as for my opinion: I agree with eggmac.
I expressly and politely asked you to voice your opinions on eggmac's post in a differant thread.
thats war.
[edit] i give this topic 10, maybe 15 mins more... [/edit]
But they went to the army, so it's their 'fault'. Moreover it's the fault of their government. And furthermore, they cause(d) pain and depression in the land where they are. Yet they are not the ones to blame because it wasn't their decision.
You see, it's quite hard to briefly say anything to that topic. The best thing would just be if they just weren't there in the first place.
i) IMO they are not trained to be policeman. So I think complaining about having to do something which quite frankly falls outside of their 'job-description' is completely acceptable.
ii) Just because they are a volunteer force does not mean that they should be expendable; or used in an action that quite frankly many people did not want to see (at least not for the official reasons given).
iii) Complaining about not wanting to do their duty and _not doing_ their duty is not the same thing. If they need to vent I think they should have a right to do so.
iv) They should not be misled into believing that they will be coming home on a certain date only to find that that won't happen. This is not acceptable.
1. Good point. They are not peacekeepers. Ive been thinking about that, and I thought perhaps a dedicated peacekeeping force, say the Canadians, would be more appropriate.
2. But then again, when they signed up, they were giving their lives to their supeiriors, to do with them what they would, be it stay in Iraq for five years or walk into a meat grinder. I dont nececarily agree with this but hey, its the facts.
3. Such thinking brings down morale which lessens their ability to do their jobs.
4. I agree totally, good one.
But they went to the army, so it's their 'fault'. Moreover it's the fault of their government. And furthermore, they cause(d) pain and depression in the land where they are. Yet they are not the ones to blame because it wasn't their decision.
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Have you ever heard of arguing objectively. If you have nothing constructive to say outside of how terrible war is (which we are all very well aware of) then there's no need to post even once, much less multiple times.
Moon: Their job description is this and only this: follow orders from higher ranking officers. Until an order is given that you feel is inhuman (and this is a huge gray area) you follow it to the letter. This is something the general public can't really grasp about it they are taught to discard all feelings of hesitation and doubt when given an order, because there will be times when they are ordered to engage in incredibly dangerous situations and any hesitation on their part would mean death.
Your other points are dead on, they can complain all they want as long as they continue to do their jobs, I personally feel it does damage morale but it isn't detremental to the mission. As far as telling people they are comming home on a certain date they should understand that it is war and things can come up and not act like 3 year olds about it, but I agree that it sucks to think you are going home then not be able to.
Wittman: refer to my quote, if your liberal views make it impossible for you to post objectively about a subject, don't post.
PS: I think it only seems they are complaining more because their is such in depth coverage of it, and perhaps we are hearing things that normally would just go unnoticed.
Alright, you gotta cut this out. Why did you take the time to post this? Nothing to do with the rest of the thread and youre doing the politic bashing thing. Everyone please disregard the above post.
P.S. Thankyou dr. for the help.
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That is my point: no generalizations, no "bashing", and sticking to the topic. This makes for good arguments.
(look up subjective and objective in the dictionary if you want to know exactly what i'm on about)
That is an excellent point. Maybe this is just an issue because of the massive media presence? But it's still there, their still complaining.
Edit: yes dr. said it perfectly.
Morale is a very strange thing, it's like 5 people sitting in a dark room really scared, they all know they are scared, but it gets ten times worse as soon as one of them says "I'm scared".
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Hey dr.d good point.
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Hey dr.d good point.
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I didn't say liberals can't argue objectively, you just "generalized" my comment. I said IF as in in the instance that this becomes true, you can't post objectively, for whatever reason, and in your case because of your liberal views on the subject, it would be better to just not post.
And if you are trying to bring THAT argument into this thread forget it. Because then it will lock, and so far all you're doing is proving my points.
Ok back to the thread. Don't they give these guys shore leave?