Hmg Rush Improvement.

Asterisk · July 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">no JP needed.</div> i have seen games where the comm techs to HMG fast and drops them. he then sends his men to a hive but not all of the people can get HMGs. my sugestion is to drop 2 or 3 HMGs and have them fill up on ammo. then have them drop the HMGs and let the lights fill up. this way if an HMGer dies his budies dont pick up a useless empty gun. some may know this but this is for people that didnt.

Stoneburg · July 2003

It's a good idea.

I tend to 'borrow' a GL if there's one around and fill up on nades, then when he dies or runs out of ammo I can keep shelling.

Asterisk · July 2003

plus there is a semi exploit where the ammo for guns you dont currently have does not slow you down.

elchinesetourist · July 2003

nice

i was thinking of comparing jp shotty against jp hmg

it's obviously been tried many times before, but i want to get the to the point of preferring jp shotty

imo it seems it would be just as effective and indeed better than hmg at long range, since i've read that the shotty blast radius is constant no matter how far away your target is; the shot does not spread out.

your troops need good aim, and it would not work well for ha since if they blocked each other's shots there will be empty spaces while the next shot chambers in, unlike hmg which is continuous fire.

We_Bust_our_GUNS · July 2003

i enjoy using the jp weder/knife---i am a melee warrior/close combat than using wepons---other than a hmg or gl

Jasp · July 2003

Fav gun is shotty i swear by it and have won many rushs with it takes 40+ rounds to kill a hive with a shotty with no upgrades and no DCs but its the fact it does so much damage to skulks 1 hit normally 1 kill allows 2 marines to guard rest to slug hive to death.

Burncycle · July 2003

Most aliens expect a JP/HMG rush, but a HMG only rush can happen A LOT quicker and they totally own skulks even at level 3 carapace. The gorge almost never WOL's at this point since he's getting resource towers/just finishing up the 3 d chambers. You can easily have 2-3 HMG's and the rest with LMG's and rush the hive. Very effective from what I've seen. It takes surprisingly long to kill the hive with level 0 weapons, but be sure to med/ammo spam and they should be a-ok

Just be sure to keep a guy in base to guard in case it fails and the skulks own it while your away.

p4l · July 2003

Screw the hmg rush entirely.... do the 1 shotgun 4lmg rush. It works so well it's stupid, at least on smaller maps (Eclipse is murder with this!). Just mine up like a madman, and get your ammo/health hotkey ready cause it's bang time, comm. Just did it in a for-fun scrim (My first NS scrim too wheeee omgomgogmomogmgomgom!!!!1111) and then did it twice in a pub. Only 2-3 of the skulks will run into you on your way to the hive, they will respawn and die when you get there. The rest either try to go for the base and have to retreat or stupidly die due to the mines (Which only need to kill 4-5 skulks to do their job completely) and respawn one by one, or rush back one by one...

The scrim the skulks organized, but it was moot when the shotgunner took them all in 1-2 shots. We lost one person the entire time.

Xzilen · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asterisk @ Jul 5 2003, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i have seen games where the comm techs to HMG fast and drops them. he then sends his men to a hive but not all of the people can get HMGs. my sugestion is to drop 2 or 3 HMGs and have them fill up on ammo. then have them drop the HMGs and let the lights fill up. this way if an HMGer dies his budies dont pick up a useless empty gun. some may know this but this is for people that didnt.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I never even thought of doing it that way, I like that <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Jasp · July 2003

BTW wouldnt this idea be totally useless in v2.0 when in comes out? as u cant drop guns on floor as they vanish so the only way would be to chuck the guns at the same time as i see it?

im_lost · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jasp @ Jul 8 2003, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> BTW wouldnt this idea be totally useless in v2.0 when in comes out? as u cant drop guns on floor as they vanish so the only way would be to chuck the guns at the same time as i see it?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
You can drop guns in 2.0 (unless something has changed very recently), but when you die, the guns you are holding aren't automatically dropped. If you see that you are at 5 health you can give your gun to someone else, but if you don't notice and you die, your gun just disappears.

Burncycle · July 2003

wow that sucks royally.

Majin · July 2003

HMGs don't have to be a first choice.
Commander dropped us all a Shotty and told us to rush the hive, we did as he said and found that anyone who challanged us was dropped in a matter of seconds, we got to the hive and were able to smoke it in less time then it takes with HMG rushes, Not count out the Shot Gun, it can be better at times!

MrPink · July 2003

If anyone was wondering on how many shotty blasts it takes to kill a hive...

37.5 assuming every shot from every pellet hits, and ignoring hive heal, so realistically around 45 with no dc's, 50 with 2 dc's.

Kazyras · July 2003

Yup, did a 5 men shotgun rush before and snuck into their hive. The thing went down in 5 sec.

Moquiao · July 2003

alll shotguns is lame.

all lmg's is lame

all hmg's is lame.

you have to balance it... i.e

you give one guy a shot gun and tell him to watch for skulks

you give 3 a hmg and tell them to go for the hive

you leave 2 with theyre lmg's and get them to bodyguard the hmg's

all of something is not good.

Hmg Rush Improvement.

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