Natural-selection Single-player

JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Not what you think, trust me.</div> Flayra has created a marvelous little chunk of intellectual property with NS, giving us a rich universe detailing the TSA and its interaction with the Kharra. This won't happen, but I think it'd be cool to have a single player game from the perspective of a TSA soldier outside the context of a war with the Kharaa. Think about what else the TSA does (and did, before the arrival of the Kharra): catching space pirtes, regulating interplanetary disputes, etc. I'd love to see a single player game of a TSA soldier placed into a tense situation- quelling a civil rebellion on a distant planet, then having to fight his way off of it after a Kharra invasion maybe? There would be no commander mode, no resources, no tech tree, etc. Just a nice single player FPS mod using the intellectual property of NS. This is just speculation about a "This would be cool" idea- don't flame me about "n0 NS singel prayer ever!!!!111newbbb1!!!", since this is a different idea than making the current incaranation of NS single player with bots. Thanks!
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  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Why not just put that on HL2. Since effectivly it would just be, maps, models, AI and the gun code. Think of an onos charging into a baracade smashing it into you. Still I'd love to see it.
  • AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
    I will try to make my own hl2 NS mod -_-
    maybe.. if i dont get bored ;D
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 2002-06-12 Member: 759Members
    Well, there was supposed to be a 1-player training mode, but it was held off until v1.1... but I have not heard anything of it since Nov of last year.

    I don't think a NS 1Player would be the best thing... would you like to have a 1player game inwhich you die in 2-4 attacks? I don't think so...
  • ElvenThiefElvenThief aka Elven Thief (ex. NS Programmer) Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8754Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Unknown: I don't think you caught the gist of his post. He's looking for a game that adds to the backstory to the TSA and doesn't even have to be against the Kharaa.
    There will be no way you can do a single player version of NS and still expect it to have RTS qualities.
  • DemonmercDemonmerc Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3651Members
    oh hell yeah you can... ever played dungeon keeper?
  • SquidgetSquidget Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17334Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Demonmerc+Jun 18 2003, 04:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Demonmerc @ Jun 18 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oh hell yeah you can... ever played dungeon keeper? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I played both DK and DK2 (quite awesome).

    Really, the whole FPS mode really was just a gimmick. It wasn't really useful for much of anything.

    A better analogy might be the new BattleZone series. That was a neat blend of RTS and FPS.
  • The_Real_QuasarThe_Real_Quasar Has the I.Q. of 12,000 P.E. Teachers Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9998Members
    Amckern is running a SP addon of some kind, I'm mapping for it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Supposedly we'll make the attacks much less damaging and make it possible to win.
  • ErpErp Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 90Members
    edited June 2003
    I agree a singleplayer NS would rock.

    You could have a computer controlled Commander with 16 or so Marines (it's just asking for co-op) with lots of objectives given by the Comm.


    Like System Shock 2 on a massive scale, with A.I. team mates. It could be great.
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 2002-06-12 Member: 759Members
    I know what he wanted... I dont know where you got an idea like that. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->


    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree a singleplayer NS would rock.

    You could have a computer controlled Commander with 16 or so Marines (it's just asking for co-op) with lots of objectives given by the Comm.


    Like System Shock 2 on a massive scale, with A.I. team mates. It could be great. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Hehe, this made me think of Halo.
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    however itd work you know Id suck at it ;/
  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    ... I'm not proposing a single player version of NS. I'm proposing a Half-Life Single player mod using the intellectual property of NS. Like, imagine Blue Shift in space, with the TS, fighting Kharra and rebels instead of the Xen and US Troops.
  • Infected_MarineInfected_Marine Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11287Members
    I like the idea (Keeping it simple, or KISS), but the only difference is I want a JP.

    I have seen HL server side mods that have JP's, so it can't be too complex, right?

    Well maybe it is. Either way the <i>Blue Shift</i> in space idea (or <i>They Hunger</i> in space, or [/i]USS Darkstar[/i] in spa... nevermind).
  • Hida_TsuzuaHida_Tsuzua Lamarck&#39;s Heir Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 79Members, NS1 Playtester
    Could you make buildings appear using a script? For example, you reach X spot and a turret factory appears and you've given orders to build it. You could also command using NS bots as the pawns.

    An alien/marines SP would be cool. Two SP games, same place. One is you're an alien and another you're a marine.
  • amckernamckern Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14249Members, Constellation
    may b this will help <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=31967' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...=ST&f=4&t=31967</a>

    the team is still geting togever, so we hope to have it out by 1.2 - subs to the thread, and watch as we progress through the sp addon

    amckern
  • MaeVarMaeVar Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17098Members
    I think a single player half life mod would be excellent if you knew how to do it.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    The game would have to have Alien graffiti saying, 'KARA WuZ HEERE'.
  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pjofsky+ Jun 18 2003, 11:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pjofsky @ Jun 18 2003, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The game would have to have Alien graffiti saying, 'KARA WuZ HEERE'.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> lmao <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> amckern already put up the link so check it there <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> would be quite ze cool to see it evolve (pun intended) <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    I'm offically giving up on getting a discussion going since people can't seem to disconnect the idea of "The World of Natural Selection" with "The game Natural Selection" and people won't stop prattaling on about buildings or res nodes or commanders. Jeebus.

    I love my idea. Why can't others see that and love it too? Sniffles.
  • ForfeitForfeit Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12054Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jammer+Jun 18 2003, 11:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jammer @ Jun 18 2003, 11:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm offically giving up on getting a discussion going since people can't seem to disconnect the idea of "The World of Natural Selection" with "The game Natural Selection" and people won't stop prattaling on about buildings or res nodes or commanders. Jeebus.

    I love my idea. Why can't others see that and love it too? Sniffles. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They just have to think the following.

    There is Warcraft 3. There will be an World of Warcraft.

    Same World, diferent stories. Same background, diferent gameplays.
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    I like your approach to it topic poster. And what about that training thing they were supposed to make?
  • th0r0nth0r0n Born again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17313Members
    Maybe you should make the NS Single player, as it is a background story, more than just building stuff with bots and playing new maps?

    It's hard to explain what I mean, but you could have a few maps, the end goal being destroying one of the hives or something, or maybe a story into the way the whole war started?

    Sorry if I misread
  • HBNayrHBNayr Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 930Members
    The <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/world_marine1.html' target='_blank'>Trans-System Authority</a> was not created to stop the Kharaa. Before the Kharaa bacterium even appeared, the TSA was busy with border disputes, intra-system conflicts, inter-system conflicts. And sometimes, they stood alone against massive corporations and governments for basic human rights. And all of it done in a galaxy with governments and powers that abhor their very existence, and a minimum of funding.

    Now imagine yourself a TSA soldier, trained from the start to be the best, and to stretch each and every resource and opportunity to its fullest. The training can even be IN this single-player game. As a TSA soldier, you are sent out in the field, battling against overly-powerful, multi-system corporations, shady governments, and maybe a few good, old-fashioned bandits. As the game progresses, you hear about this "Kharaa" threat that has materialized in a few places here and there, but you were not selected to be a Frontiersman, so your primary concern is that of the common citizen against the age-old faceless corporation/government.

    And then, because you just KNOW it has to be included in the single-player game, on a routine lock-down, you encounter a new form of life. Something you've never seen before. And a routine lock-down becomes a furious fight for survival against a new enemy.

    As the hero, you will of course be given the chance to destroy their Hives, and save the day, but only for that singular space station. Elsewhere, the battle rages on, and the TSA decided to recognize your valor with an appointment to the Frontiersmen.


    I absolutely love this idea. Aliens and humans are all fun and good, but Jeff Paris has managed to flesh out this world so brilliantly that it would be negligent to NOT make something like this. For someone who has the time and abilities to do so. Me, I can write the promotional literature. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    -Ryan!


    I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven't got the guts to bite people themselves.
    -- August Strindberg
  • RamsesRamses Join Date: 2002-05-21 Member: 642Members
    Well, I've to agree with Ryan (H'Bnayr) here.

    Th Natural-Selection Universe and its background is much too great to be only a multi-player game. And if Flayra never intended Natural-Selection to be a singleplayer game (that's what I <i>think</i>and Natural-Selection will most likely never be a singleplayer game), Jammer's Idea is just perfect.

    Don't make Natural-Selection a singleplayer game, make something new, something with the feeling of natural-selection, but much deeper (story-wise, not gameplay-wise)!

    Anyway, I've understand what you mean, Jammer, and I'll do everything I can to support this idea. If you need any help, contact me. Still, I would suggest to wait with such a project untill Half-Life 2 is out.
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    Amazingly enough it's exactly what I thought this post would be. Anyhow, Flayra has already stated he probably won't have the time/resources to pull off such a project.
  • meatballmeatball Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16196Members
    it would be nice if this idea become reality <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
    It will be the only way to be sure of that you wont hear "com, gimme jp/hmg now!!"
  • AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
    <b>NATURAL SELECTION RPG OMG OMG!1!1oneone!!</b>
  • policeunit7policeunit7 Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17303Members
    You know single player NS would be pretty damn cool.... the last mission could be Sanjii or something of that sort. My idea is just like HL2 have boby traps around that place so when you see a few skulks fighting over the dead body of a fellow T.S.A. marine you drop a huge boulder on them or something, you an meet other fellow marines and clear out a number
    of aliens or space pirate, maybe you can ever play as the space pirate heh, anyways for all the ideas I have seen we should probably wait a long time to see this because if they could do all of this it would have to be on the HL2 engine or even the Battle Field 1942 engine, which will take a while because they need to redo all of the art work and everything. EVERYTHING! <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TiberRaptorTiberRaptor Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17356Members
    The idea of citizens, no, an army created to preserve peace, fighting faceless governments, is classic. The NS world has so much more potential than a multiplayer game can exploit. And the game wouldn't have to be called NS, it could be called somethign like the "birth of the frontiersmen", or maybe something not as lame. I intend to stay informed.
  • Infected_MarineInfected_Marine Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11287Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--TiberRaptor+Jun 19 2003, 09:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TiberRaptor @ Jun 19 2003, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The idea of citizens, no, an army created to preserve peace, fighting faceless governments, is classic. The NS world has so much more potential than a multiplayer game can exploit. And the game wouldn't have to be called NS, it could be called somethign like the "birth of the frontiersmen", or maybe something not as lame. I intend to stay informed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Natural Selection: Survival of the Fittest.

    I know this is a shameless bump, but I think the person who started this thread had a great idea.
  • JammerJammer Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 728Members, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    Thanks Ramses and Ryan. At least 2 other people got what I was talking about. I doubt I'd do this as a mod myself, seeing as it IS Flayra's property (intellectually) and I'd be (a) open to a cease and desist and (b) It would be kind of selfish to deny Flayra the oppurtunity to create more of his wonderful science fiction world. I do agree that it would be amazing. And hey, if Flayra is interested in taking NS retail, we could run a big constellation drive to get lots of money, buy the Half-Life engine, have Flayra the coding genius spruce it up a bit, add a amazing Single Player (packaged with the newly enhanced NS multiplayer) and sell it at the bargain price of 19.99 :-)

    Hehe. Not gonna happen. Maybe one day... one day...

    And infected marine: Look at your post date.
    Look at the previous reply's post date.
    Are you seeing anything that would strike you as bad about them?
    Maybe the week+ difference?

    Its great to be involved in the forums, but please don't be a Topic Necromancer. Bumps are usually with posts that die after a day or 2... this was full fledged 'Rising from the Dead' Jesus stuff. :-P
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