Eggs

eggmac · May 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">add strategic relevance</div> Many people are saying that hunting down gorges is of great importance. Moreover, in 1.1 marines depend on that strategy, since gorges can't defend themselves very well and by killing them the marines inflict great damage to the alien team.
But there is also another weakness of the aliens: the eggs. Right now, the alines spend only very little time in egss and it is only a very odd concidence that marines find and annihilate them.
I would like to see some kind of "egg-hunting" in NS. Probably, an upgrade such as MT (or MT itself) that makes the marines see where an alien is currently egged (red circle? anything..), and making the evolve-time for Aliens higher, especially when evolving to a higher class...
Since the aliens can't defend themselves while egged it is quite obvious that this weakness should be used by the marines, and that the usage of it should be at least <i>viable</i>.
This could add some more flexibility to marine strategies, as it seems that marines lack the possibiliy of decision and action in the new version right now...

Brave_Ulysses · May 2003

You may as well call me a snake since I hap upon eggs like an egg divining rod or summat. I've killed 3 fades and an onos with a shotgun - but I've killed about 10 fades and 5 onos with a lmg simply by getting them while they gestated. A bit lowdown & dirty but oh so funny.

Can you imagine that? A fade thinking: "Yes! We've won! 3 hives! Now to add sensory upgrades..." And then: "OMG! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ...

... bugger."

Chack · May 2003

eggmac i think the idea behind that is good, but it wouldn't be used much as an additional scanner just for a few cases would not pay off. It'd just make the game more complicated.

lolfighter · May 2003

Theoretically quite nice, but it would be a pain for the aliens. I hate the long gestating time for Onos, as there's nothing worse than being there in your cocoon, seeing your teammates rack up kills and kicking ****, while you sit there and fear the game will be over before you can have a go. Imagine an Onos that would take two minutes to gestate? With the very fast pace this game sometimes has, everything can change in those two minutes, and I would hate spending two minutes on the sidelines. Especially since a marine can be outfitted with hmg/ha/welder and be back in the fray thirty seconds after he died.

[edit]"Retarded" isn't the phrasing I would use though. It's like holding a match to a can of gas. You get the picture. *whips out CO² extinguisher and gets ready*[/edit]

Pege · May 2003

Oh, yeah. It could be cool. Now the whole alien tranformation aspect is nearly going to waste since you so rarely get to kill an evolving alien. Maybe it could force aliens to defend their teammates when theyre evolving and increase teamplay? And I agree that there should be a higher risk of "getting caught with pants down" with bigger aliens. Although there also should be a smaller punishment than losing 70 RP for an unused onos... Maybe losing only 20 RP when dying while evolving?

Ortoch · May 2003

I agree with pege the thought of having to help defend eggs would increase the marine ability to move about without constantly loosing one of there party to the renagade skulk that has nothing to do. Much could happen with this new release.

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other b**tard die for his.
- Gen George S. Patton

Carling · May 2003

I have been attacked while an egg many a time. but redemption eggs are almost impossible to kill cause they drag you back to hive when you lose a bit hp and they have loads of armor lol.

Very funny shooting an alien egg and it suddely disapears back to hive.

Speed_2_Dave · May 2003

oh yes, egg shooting! There's a viable strat. But making it so that all eggs always show up? You might as well turn MT into <b>Enemy Detection</b> Balance issues, anyone?

Carling · May 2003

How about personal thermal detection scanner for marines ? could be an item the comm drops and when he near an egg it shows on the mini map as a red dot or some thing. and if it was expesive maby show buildens, aliens and stuff would have limited range, but allow them to see near by eggs and other things even throw walls maby ?

I mean gestation must give off some heat or other energy the humans can detect. would be nice to see a scanner added to mod <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Iced_Eagle · May 2003

omg way too unbalanced. then you would have lone rines running all over the place to the red circles and it wouldnt be good. thermal? taht actually would look really cool but unneccesary in most parts... i wish nightvision was back in (random wasnt that)

im_lost · May 2003

I think these ideas are unbalanced. The point of being undefended while evolving is that you can't evolve wherever you feel like, and also that it takes you out of action for a short period of time. If you aren't in the middle of a random corridor or at the front line, you should be able to evolve safely.

DoADrunkMonkey · May 2003

ohhhhh right yes i see.

make a new strategy where aliens are no longer allowed to evlove!
great thinking.

//sarcasm

Carling · May 2003

LOL! yeah skulls only no evolution! i mostly gest in vents where humans carnt get to without jets altho if aliens try pass u they get annoyed.

haWu · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ May 24 2003, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> there's nothing worse than being there in your cocoon, seeing your teammates rack up kills and kicking ****, while you sit there and fear the game will be over before you can have a go.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Yeah, or sitting gestating and hearing a rambo bunnyhopping down the corridor near you swinging his knife like a madman...

/me shudders

The_Spectre · May 2003

1. Sitting in an egg for a long time would be pretty boring, this wouldn't fit the aliens' theme of deathmatchy play.

2. If you really want to, you can easily find a perfectly safe spot to evolve. On top of the hive is usually perfectly safe, since the marines can't hit you. The only reason people get killed in eggs right now is when they're sloppy and evolve in unsafe places.

NegaBenji · May 2003

Wait, so not only would a big red circle show up on MT which basically says 'ATTENTION, TOTALLY VULNERABLE ALIEN WHICH HAS POSSIBLY JUST SPENT A LARGE AMOUNT OF RES ON EVOLVING LOCATED HERE,' but the alien would also have to sit around defenseless for an increased amount of time to give the marines a better chance of getting a nice easy kill? How about when a marine gets HA, he has to stand around for 5 minutes fitting it to his body while he blinks purple on the hivesight?

HellSpawn · May 2003

I think gorges should be able to assist individual eggs in gestatiing..the gorge would hold down the use key and the time it would take to normally getsate..would be shortened

Fantasmo · May 2003

I don't think NS needs this.

This should kinda go in Suggestions shouldn't it?

Brave_Ulysses · May 2003

I think this system works perfectly fine as it does. I've cracked a fair few eggs in my time, which goes to show that people pick the dumbest places to evolve. I've one it myself - thought "Who cares - no-one'll get near me". And then BAM! You sit there seeing yellow/green juice fly as a marine empties his clip into you. And you can't do a damn thing except repeatedly press whatever key you've bound "Chuckle" to.

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