Electrified Turret Factories

abtmabtm Join Date: 2003-04-08 Member: 15337Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">GOOD balance question</div> A few questions regarding the "electrified tfacs" have come to mind. Hopefully a vet/pt or flayra can anwser this


What stops players from stacking up turret factories in a hallway near an alien hive, electrifying them and then turreting up the unexposed areas?

How are the turret factories powered? Is there a discernable source of their power? Can they be "sabatoged" by aliens by destroying this central source (if it exists)
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  • X_z_0_rX_z_0_r Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11428Members
    lol well I guess the resources will stop you from stacking a load of tfs <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • laggerlagger Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1805Members
    Electrified tfacs cannot be stacked or any marine structure for that matter. You can put alot of them together and electrify them *which costs alot* although this strat is totally inefficent. 1 gorg with bilebomb will totally wipe the tfacs out. I'm not sure how they are powered, although i believe it involved goblins and treadmills.
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  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    ROFL lagger


    He's quite right, you will not be able to stack Marine structures, and if the Marines have enough spare res to create a low-level wall of electrifed TF's, then it really dosn't matter on the Alien side.
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  • KuronekoKuroneko Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7184Members, Constellation
    do electrified TFs use up res while they are all electricy?
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  • killswitchkillswitch Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--lagger+May 22 2003, 11:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lagger @ May 22 2003, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Although i believe it involved goblins and treadmills. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Comedy gold
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  • laggerlagger Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1805Members
    Electrifying rsr's/tf's do not drain any rsr's from the marines but it does cost 20 rsr's to upgrade the eletricity.
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  • MaDMaxXMaDMaxX Audiophile (NS sound guy) Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11835Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    AFAIK the electricity isn't actually linked directly to the national grid, its not gonna char grill anything within distance, also, i belive it has a limited number of nme's it can "spark" at one time, so can be taken out by grouped attacks
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  • dialfeeddialfeed Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11775Members
    Electrified tf sounds interesting.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyways, I was thinking that since the tf are now electrified and harder to destroy, can their possibly be a limit on how much ammo or turrets these things can produce? I have seen games in which commanders turret spammed everything, and it was almost impossible to get in. Now with this electrifed tf...it might now seem harder to destroy...

    Any comments?
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  • kwitcherbitchinkwitcherbitchin Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11144Members
    hopefully a few gorges with bilebombs can counter that.
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  • DiscoDuckDiscoDuck Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12393Members
    I always thought that all buildings in NS are powered by flayamantum reactors.
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  • GiGGiG Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14416Members
    A bunch of aliens with ranged weapons could easily take those TFs out,
    unless some marines are continuously repairing them <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Skillzilla1Skillzilla1 Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16282Members
    Just pick off the Marines then <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • GiGGiG Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14416Members
    edited May 2003
    Wait, I forgot that you couldn't stack TFs or other structures anymore in 1.1.
    <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Plus another counter for Elec TF spamming, use the good ol' 'Use the vent stupid to get around, stupid'.
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  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    Do they have less health or something like that? They ought to have the same protection against ranged attacks, but less protection from melee. Just to make it a leeeetle easier.
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  • JojoshuaJojoshua NS Guide Professor Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5233Members
    Well, you cant stack marine buildings but you can fill up a hallway with them if you want. Power is not a factor in this. Just use imagination.
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  • criticaIcriticaI Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15269Banned, Constellation
    I was able to stack electric TFs once. I don't know if I can duplicate it, but it did happen.
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  • DiablusDiablus Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15080Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--lagger+May 22 2003, 05:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lagger @ May 22 2003, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Electrified tfacs cannot be stacked or any marine structure for that matter. You can put alot of them together and electrify them *which costs alot* although this strat is totally inefficent. 1 gorg with bilebomb will totally wipe the tfacs out. I'm not sure how they are powered, although i believe it involved goblins and treadmills. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i always thought it was those damn migets in soda machines that do that! .........I will get my gatorade back you stole you sneaky little **** you!....
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  • Turkey2Turkey2 Join Date: 2003-04-23 Member: 15766Members
    well they are way to easy to take down in 1.04 so 1.1 addressed that making them harder to take down. Also if you really want to you can always onos them down now. The only thing that will make elec tf's overpowered is raising damage too much, and I believe they pt'ed that and then reduced it.
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  • DraconisDraconis Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13722Members, Reinforced - Onos
    A skulk with level 3 regen can take down 1 elec tfac. Elec is not overpowered imo.
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  • WimpyWimpy Join Date: 2003-03-24 Member: 14839Members
    i have a feeling its 20 res PER res/tf too.. which means.. to block a door with 4 of them will cost 160 res.. on top of that.. plus, you need to be able to build it.. so like 3 HA's will have a chance at that (makes sense that 3 ha's would rather spend 10 minutes building to kill the hive instead of walking into it and killing it right? )
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  • Jink_JinkJink_Jink Join Date: 2003-03-05 Member: 14348Members
    edited May 2003
    You can stack buildings in 1.04, you just have to placee them exactly right.. tis a bug. You have to place them almost on top, and hope it stacks.

    Here are a few pics of us messing around late at night doing it. (i added URL's in case the forum wont let u seem em)

    Note the stacked seiges, as well as in the last one, 18, the stacked TFs.

    <img src='http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/ns_tanith0016.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    <a href='http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/tanith0016.html' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/tanith0016.html</a>


    <img src='http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/ns_tanith0017.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
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    <img src='http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/ns_tanith0018.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
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  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    whats the range and damage of the elec TF?

    in a diff thread, some one said it was 50damage twice a second?! if thats the case, then a skulk gets fried in .. errr 1.5 seconds? :o i think.

    do they have very short range? ie: could u put one in a junction and expect most skulks running through it to get nailed? or do u have to be in V close proximity? thanks
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jink Jink+May 23 2003, 11:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jink Jink @ May 23 2003, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can stack buildings in 1.04, you just have to placee them exactly right.. tis a bug. You have to place them almost on top, and hope it stacks.

    Here are a few pics of us messing around late at night doing it. (i added URL's in case the forum wont let u seem em)

    Note the stacked seiges, as well as in the last one, 18, the stacked TFs.

    <img src='http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/ns_tanith0016.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    <a href='http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/tanith0016.html' target='_blank'>http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/tanith0016.html</a>


    <img src='http://www.geocities.com/LdPhebos/ns_tanith0017.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
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    you people arent understanding that they will just go fade or lerk early in the game and take them out from afar.... good lord flay muckluck'd this game
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  • J2pcJ2pc Join Date: 2002-12-05 Member: 10485Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--kann_nix+May 23 2003, 07:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kann_nix @ May 23 2003, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Jink Jink+May 23 2003, 11:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jink Jink @ May 23 2003, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can stack buildings in 1.04, you just have to placee them exactly right.. tis a bug.  You have to place them almost on top, and hope it stacks.

    Here are a few pics of us messing around late at night doing it. (i added URL's in case the forum wont let u seem em)

    Note the stacked seiges, as well as in the last one, 18, the stacked TFs.

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    you people arent understanding that they will just go fade or lerk early in the game and take them out from afar.... good lord flay muckluck'd this game <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You don't understand that in 1.1 lerk doesn't have spikes and acidrocket is 2nd hive <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    damn geocities


    grrrrr
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  • DraconisDraconis Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13722Members, Reinforced - Onos
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> whats the range and damage of the elec TF?

    in a diff thread, some one said it was 50damage twice a second?! if thats the case, then a skulk gets fried in .. errr 1.5 seconds? :o i think.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The range of elec is approxatively 3 time the range of bite.

    It does 10ish damage/second. Here is something to see the damage done by elec:
    An unupgraded skulk biting an elec RT will put the RT to 50% health before dying.
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  • a_civiliana_civilian Likes seeing numbers Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
    edited May 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--J2pc+May 23 2003, 02:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (J2pc @ May 23 2003, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You don't understand that in 1.1 lerk doesn't have spikes and acidrocket is 2nd hive  <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As far as I know lerk still has spikes. It lost bite. Also, acid rocket is third hive.
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    *cough* Lerk keeps the spikes, but their damage is reduced by a bit. Acid Rocket is third-Hive.
    Problem is, a Lerk will have to sit there and spike for going on two or three minutes to take out an elec TF/RT, NOT counting energy regen time. It honestly seems a lot quicker to just grab a regen skulk and take it down.
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  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    So regen on a skulk actually has a use now? Cool
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  • DrewDrew Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9413Members, Constellation
    can the electric tf zap alien structures/hives? it would be pretty funny to put a few of them under a hive and upgrade them then watch the electricity zapping the hive to death as you guard them.
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