Hats Off To Nublets!

the_johnjacob · April 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">and why the games tehy play are fun</div> in the last couple of days i've been playing games on a various servers, and have been involved in a couple really good, hour hour and a half games. i've also been part of mor ethan my fair share of not fun, terrible, one team gets stomped, games. and tehre's one common string among these games. top clan members. why are they such ****?(pardon the expression, but it needs to be said) they join a server, not necessarily all one clan, and stack one team, stomp the other team relentlessly, and then leave laughing their **** off at the nublets' pain. almost like a gang marauding the streets of some paradise city where there was no prior crime. it's an ugly sight.

basically the point of this post is one question. why do claners insist on stomping all over the nublets, and continue to be **** about it? the pupose of this game is to have fun, the closer a game, the mroe fun both sides have. this is the exact reason why i've stopped going to clan servers. the games nublets play are full of experimentation, fun, and just general mayhem, at the end of which we have everyone on both sides complimenting all on a game well playted and everyone elaving happy and enthralled. clan players need to stop clan stacking and need to get out of their mind set. the jp rush has come from, in my opinion, the fact that almost all leaguees play games on a time basis, the faster teams win, thus, if one team can win in a rush, the other team is forced to rush on their own, it's just a generally not good situation, but that is an arguement for another forum. alright, i believe i've said my piece, thoughts? clanners flame me? *bows out for discussion*

MadcapMagician · April 2003

I actually tend to disagree. Some of the most intensive games I've played (both wins and losses) have been me and random pubbies against a stacked team of clan players. And let me tell you, those wins are the best wins you will ever feel.

But I can relate, noone likes getting rocked game after game after game. Especially as alien, alien losses are so demoralizing.

I guess it really just depends on the skill of the pubbies.

However, if they own the server I think they have every right to stack the teams as much as they want. If they are paying the bills they can do whatever they want. You can just go somewhere esle (like my server) if you don't like how they run their server.

Mantylan NS 66.150.106.121:27015
We aren't a clan, we don't ban for owning an admin, we discourage repeated team stacking.

Edit: With regards to the post directly below:
A clan is all about getting together and absolutely destroying newbies round after round??!!
Thats really pathetic. And it doesn't make you any better.

MilkyP · April 2003

WHat?!?!? This is exactly what clans are about, getting together and doing better because of it.

That_Annoying_Kid · April 2003

NS is always fun when you don't care about res, and you just play, and have fun, when you start playing to win in a hardcore way then it kinda saps the fun, but now worries, NS is still fun

Jimyd · April 2003

alot of clanners think i hack, but too bad i have my cd on so they cant say anything <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

MilkyP · April 2003

Not quite on topic there...

Speed_2_Dave · April 2003

I play on servers where stacking is usually unallowed, and the game victories are never guaranteed. I only play on 2-3 servers (2 now that Donce is nowhere to be seen). Random games aren't much fun for me, I prefer playing with people who know my style, and I theirs.

KEm1KaL1 · April 2003

Donce's new ip is 128.194.11.245:27015

Not sure if this is temp or perm arrangement, go to #donce and talk to blahman.

As for team stackage issues, I find that clan vs. non clan is not the problem, its marine lovers vs. alien lovers.

Example: When you have 3/4 alien lovers half of them will be forced to go marine and half of the marine team will be at a disadvantage.

MilkyP · April 2003

I say that ther should only be 2 entrances in the Ready Room:

1)Observe Match
2)Random Team

Maveric · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MilkyP @ Apr 28 2003, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I say that ther should only be 2 entrances in the Ready Room:

1)Observe Match
2)Random Team</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Can I get a hell yeah?! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Anyways;
I completly agree that:
A) Clanners seem to have a "Greater than thou art" attitude, and stack teams on every server
B) Some clanners, if not entire clans, use cheats.
C) Clanners, because of matches, found that "whoever's quicker wins" aspect of the game. because of NS being a RTS <i>and</i> FPS, the "click faster and win" (StarCraft, anyone? Counter Strike, anyone?) part of it became aparent, and since the JP was the best way to get about the map... well... speed and mobility are key to winning in anything.

I dissagree that newbie servers (NOT n00b. n00b is a person not wanting to learn, and has a nasty attitude) are full of exparamentation. though they may go along with the comm/gorge, i think they've played a game and said "hey, [strategy] is the best thing ever/is unbeatable! i should do this always!" and so they do it.

Stoneburg · April 2003

CS does not suffer from "quicker win". Look at the clikarena final *shudder*. They camped out like 4 rounds.

Anyway... the clan 'problem' is not about NS; it is in all games that have competetive gaming. You really want to know why? It's kind of easy to explain:

The main reason is that most people function on the My Fun > Your fun level. <b>Some</b> clans/clanmembers think it is 'fun' to win against poor opposition. Some clans/members just think it is 'fun' to play with their friends. Some clans/members think that playing with 'n00bs' is very un-fun.

The first category I have no respect for, and neither do other serious clans. You won't see any truly 'elite' clans stacking a server, that is a characteristic of 'n00b' clans. Real clans don't use pubs to 'practise' on, they play PCW's and/or scrims/gathers etc. and just play pubs for fun and/or to keep their FPS skill. You can safely assume that a clan that comes into a public server and stacks a team to win is crap, they are probably making up for getting beaten in matches against other clans. Like a bad boxer who just keeps losing matches and goes out to pick a fight with some skinny guy at a bar.

The second category I think are a bit egoistic. They should realise that their opponents are people and are playing to "have fun", not to be owned by some lame clan.

The third category I can somewhat sympathise with, but really, they should find better servers instead.

We've banned a couple of clans for stacking on our server but also have some excellent clanners who don't stack but instead bring their skill and knowledge to whatever team they end up on. Everyone benefits from this. I'm in CS clans and when I play on a pub with them I (and they) just hit autoteam, it's much more fun to play when you know you're going up against someone with equal skill, killing newbies over and over again is just masturbation.

the_johnjacob · April 2003

i can see why you guys'd say that the point of a clan is to get together and play as a team to increase your skills etc, but isnt' that what scrimming is for? at least that way you'd be playing against an opponent with the same, if not greater skill level as your own, therefore increasing the learning curve greatly. public games are tehre for having fun, i've heard things said in there by clanners that upset me, as well as things they've done. the phrase that's still ringing in my ears is "this is a pub, why the **** should i try in a pub?". it's this general attitude that makes a lot of clanners **** poor people to play with, i wasn't posting this to start a discussion on what they do, i want to know WHY they feel the need to destroy, rip, maim, and utterly annihalate other people's gaming experience? it's just bad form, people, bad form.

abtm · April 2003

Please do not flame clans or generalize "clans" as a whole. Many clans are respectable and try their best to be good at Natural-Selection AND to play it with honor and class. Perhaps you don't find games this serious; hell -- neither do I, but clans are generally not lame as a whole, there are a few however, I will NOT go into details here or anywhere but there ARE clans that are pretty darn lame.

CrouchingHamster · April 2003

50 / 50 really in my experience. Some clans = muppets, some clans = really ok blokes.

Confused · April 2003

team stacking is not allways just clans
on some server the regulars band together occasionally and kick some tail
i actually enjoy those games more than the ballenced ones ( assuming of course that the pwnage isnt too bad.)
as an example i lost a game on bast in less than a minute thge other day to an amazing skulk rush by a genius team but the next roundwe all were waiting for it.
i find stacked games fun becuase they allow the individuals on the other team to do intersting things.

of course i have also died 59 times in a game before (i won finaly).

my least faovrite is teh omg the teams are stacked n00b instead of the actuall stacekd teams

hoju2 · April 2003

I prefer clan matches as opposed to pubbies, unless I'm in a non-competitive mode. Scrimms let you really see skill and high level play that pub matches don't and I think you should try it before you say clan matches suck the fun out of the game. . .

Jezpuh · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MilkyP @ Apr 28 2003, 01:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I say that ther should only be 2 entrances in the Ready Room:

1)Observe Match
2)Random Team  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
bind 8 "jointeamone"
bind 9 "jointeamtwo"

kavasa · April 2003

Any clan that <i>only</i> stacks in pubs will get stomped in CAL.
You get better as a team by scrimming other clans. All the good clans know this, so your problem isn't really with clanners, I think. It's just with schmucks.

When I play on pubs (which is fairly often), I <i>do</i> scorewhore. That's what I use pubs for these days, making myself into a halfway decent player, because as far as clan play goes I'm fairly far down the mad skillz ladder. But I don't really think my scorewhoring is a problem, since I am actually out there knifing RTs, killing gorges, and destroying prototype labs.

Edited to get around swear filter.

the_johnjacob · April 2003

i AM in a clan, and i, as well, prefer clan scrims/matches, but i don't see teh point of clanners joining a pub and stacking it(yes i totally acknowledge that some clans roxx0r and that's all there is to it, but there are those that are downright ****, and those are the ones i'm attacking, sorry for the misconception). the pubs are there for everyone's enjoyment, not just a select few who game every day of teh week(i guess this can be addressed to teh regulars as well, but it's normally not as bad in that case).

ZERG · April 2003

Any clan can get stomped at some of the servers I play at! Wanna stack? Fine, but I get to gloat when we win. Hahah

Stoneburg · April 2003

How does "score whoring" make you a better player?

You get a good score easiest by killing weak enemies while putting yourself into minimal risk. Camp the vent leading from Cargo to Via and you're sure to get a lot of easy frags, but does it make you better player?

I prefer to put myself in as <b>hard</b> positions as possible, positions that is little bit harder then I think I can handle. That is how I try to improve myself.

In CS I was always a rusher. I wouldn't get many frgs at all in the beginning, not half as many as the ones who liked to sit behind a door and shoot people in the back. But now I'm pretty good, and the guys who are still sitting behind that door haven't learned anything and get owned when people like me walk out the door. I can sit behind a door too, took me bout 1 second to learn how to do that, and because I spent the rest of the time getting into trouble I can do it a lot better then them too.

NegaBenji · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (//KEm1KaL\\ @ Apr 27 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As for team stackage issues, I find that clan vs. non clan is not the problem, its marine lovers vs. alien lovers.

Example: When you have 3/4 alien lovers half of them will be forced to go marine and half of the marine team will be at a disadvantage.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Haha, nice hypothetical situation you have there

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Keyser · April 2003

Unfortunatly, many people still do play for their scores in NS. I won't be truly satisfied until the aliens score is gone as well as the "status" command to show your scores. In fact it might (or might not) be a good idea to eliminate the top right kill counter. I think the ultimate goal in NS is to win the round as a team and eliminate anything that could get in the way of that.

Dunkin_Dynamite · April 2003

I scorewhore by rambo - it's the best ! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Arcadius · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Apr 30 2003, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Unfortunatly, many people still do play for their scores in NS. I won't be truly satisfied until the aliens score is gone as well as the "status" command to show your scores. In fact it might (or might not) be a good idea to eliminate the top right kill counter. I think the ultimate goal in NS is to win the round as a team and eliminate anything that could get in the way of that.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I love the idea of getting rid of status and the scoreboard but I still like having the top right kill counter. I find it very useful for keeping track of what's going on since it lets me know if one team is getting annihilated somewhere. Also, sometimes in huge chaotic firefights that's about the only way to know who's died.

Dervish · May 2003

A bit off the current thread of things, but I personally find NS much more fun to play when people don't use STUPID NON-WORDS such as 'nublet.' How a word meaning 'A protuberance or knob' has infested this game and spun off derivatives such as 'nublet' is beyond me. But then again, I really shouldn't put anything past human stupidity.

So just a message to all you 'nub' and 'nublet' users out there, here's a hearty thanks for lowering the bar just that much more. I personally can't *wait* to see what the next moronic b astardization of the English language shall be. /sarcasm

Immacolata · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hoju2 @ Apr 28 2003, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I prefer clan matches as opposed to pubbies, unless I'm in a non-competitive mode. Scrimms let you really see skill and high level play that pub matches don't and I think you should try it before you say clan matches suck the fun out of the game. . .  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I enjoy them as well right now, more than pubbing. I guess its up and down, once 1.1 comes out I wager the old pub game will have a revival for me.

abtm · May 2003

Kalias · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arcadius @ May 1 2003, 02:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Apr 30 2003, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I won't be truly satisfied until the aliens score is gone as well as the "status" command to show your scores.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I love the idea of getting rid of status and the scoreboard.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Umm... I don't think you'll be seeing status removed, ever.

Unless you have some other mad way to get at peoples wonid's whilst on a server.

Dunkin_Dynamite · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dervish @ May 1 2003, 02:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> A bit off the current thread of things, but I personally find NS more fun to play when people don't use STUPID NON-WORDS such as 'nublet.' <snip> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Go away loser

LMAO!!!11 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Mindmeldme · May 2003

avoid annoying clans to fight...look for better servers...same old same old.

I have found some newbies that I fight...very very amusing. Most newbies provide hours of quality entertainment...at least some Noob's do. Most newbies learn up pretty quick.

Hats Off To Nublets!

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