What's amusing is that they DID have the right tools, just no-one knew how to use them. The grenade launcher should be targetting both the gorge/fades AND the feet of your fellow marines (in tourneymode=0!!).
I think webs are slightly overpowered, but that said if the marines have res to kit up that many people, they should have previously killed the second hive while building or the original hive (usually less well defended). The alternative is to completely obliterate the alien res, but hey that should be more viable in 1.1 with any luck, so even with two hives they won't be ABLE to get fade/onos/lerk.
That gorge/fade combo would have been completely devastating if accompanied by an umbraing lerk (fly into the marines' cluster and umbra, get out quick before the nades hit!), or a skulk who can climb up the webbed marines and leap kill them in <1s each <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Depends. If you didnt have a GL support HA with you, you were improperly equipped.
The guys in front should have had their welders active, firing at the web, crawling their way along whilst giving the guys behind them the ability to shoot forward.
Really, if your team gets owned by a battle gorge and two fades, who's fault is it really? If your team had welders, the webs should not have been an issue, if you had a GL trooper with you, your team would have been laughing.
Improperly equipped marines in conjunction with inexperience results in wasted res for the marine team.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Apr 28 2003, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Apr 28 2003, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm sorry but firing grenades at your teammates may work but is considered an exploit so don't get all cozy using that technique. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ... How can THIS be considered an exploit i have no clue. Anyway back to the point. Clearly the marine werent using their welders enough (all shooting/ try to shoot). What they COULD have done was probably have one guy crouch down and keep his welder up. And welders have a slight range right? I dont think theyre *so* pinpoint as someone mentioned. So he just scans the area, burning up any webs that might appear.
<!--QuoteBegin--Mindmeld_me+Apr 27 2003, 12:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mindmeld_me @ Apr 27 2003, 12:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ah newbies...providing hours of entertainment. Chuckles. any skilled set of marines would be able to win in that senerio. It's not to hard really depending on the gear they were given. If they didn't have wielders or a nade launcher is one thing..but...still...only one gorge.
Here's a qoute from hudson's tactics...may help
Shoot...Shoot alot...and don't spend any time aiming or identifying targets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> heheh Hudson rules <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Apr 28 2003, 04:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Apr 28 2003, 04:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm sorry but firing grenades at your teammates may work but is considered an exploit so don't get all cozy using that technique. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well if you come on MY server shouting thats an exploit when FF is OFF...
nuff said.
I hope to put FF ON in 1.1, but when FF is OFF, there is nothing exploiting in landing grenades on your own teammates and structures. When FF is ON, it will stop that tactic and marines will have to deal in other ways, but until that time, Vive La Grenade!
Just WHO considers it an exploit? I know one server where the owner and admins do not...
Roob's *No Time for Muppets* NS 1.04 (CDreq) 163.1.180.217:27016
Thats some nice pimping of ther server there Roo <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
aye, getting good at this <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Apr 28 2003, 04:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Apr 28 2003, 04:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm sorry but firing grenades at your teammates may work but is considered an exploit so don't get all cozy using that technique. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> NUBY
I thought my response was much more civilized <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MilkyP+Apr 27 2003, 09:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MilkyP @ Apr 27 2003, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, but the problem is that you can web marines just be shooting the web directly at them, making it an attack move. So, if a skulk and gorge got together, they could easily take out a heavy armor and hmg (something a skulk shouldnt be able to do) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> you just argued yourself out of a point
you are right, a skulk should not be able to take out a HA. the fact is they can, if they have a gorge with webs.
Hokay... guys, what you need to understand is that if a web forms directly on top of a marine, he is webbed instantly without a chance to weld it. I've done this time and time again, I've been webbed with marines welding all around me (as well as myself), I've webbed up numerous JPers, HA, everything. If the gorge knows what he is doing there is nothing - <i>nothing</i> which can be done to counter it. I would say more, but I'm already late for class. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I usually find charging at the gorge kamikaze style, unleashing hell and hopping whilst doing so usually works. At worst you provide a 5 second distraction which gaves your squad time to re-organize and unleash a clip of fiery nade hell, clearing webs and driving off or killing the gorge. At best you kill the gorge <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Simply hoping you won't get webbed and shooting at the gorge won't work.
I'd also point out that whilst the gorge is busy webbing the HAs on the floor a JPer could fly over and introduce the business end of an HMG to the gorge <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
What, everyones got HAs you say ?! Mixed sqauds are good.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i'm sorry but firing grenades at your teammates may work but is considered an exploit so don't get all cozy using that technique<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Never ever EVER have I seen anyone refer to this as an exploit. Ever. Anywhere. Certainly none of the devs, who I would consider the ultimate word on the subject, have said that fireing grenades near your teammates is considered a bug.
The biggest problem with web is that it totally immobilizes you <i>right off the bat</i>, meaning if you get hit once with it, the Gorge can keep webbing you with no risk. It would be nice to have web slow you down, then once you get webbed 3-4 more times you cant fire anymore. That way you can still defend against Jetpackers (they would fall outta the sky, into more web or OCs), while not being able to web an entire team so easily (it would be hard to get 5+ webs off if multiple people are rushing you).
A group of heavies without a GL <i>should</i> get taken down. A GL with the pack makes webs obsolete.
What more do you people want? HMG/HA/GL/Weld marines are nearly unstoppable. The marines have almost every advantage there is. 0 cost upgraded marines take down fades like flies anymore, and you still want more nerfs to the aliens?
If anything, I hope they bring the fade back to its old glory and get rid of JP altogether.
And they DEFINITELY need to slow down the weld-armor repair!!!
The only gripe I have with webs is that you can be webbed by a gorge shooting at your feet despite having a welder out, even ducking. This may have something to do with lag (the web is registered before the welder, perhaps), but either way it doesn't add anything to the game. Otherwise, anyone who walks/flys into a web deserves the death.
I see nothing wrong with webs the way they are now. They're about the only way to stop the aforementioned ha/hmg/gl/welder rush. How about instead of whining how unfair everything is you congratulate the aliens on working together and figuring out a way to counter your "decisive blow". Now, instead of whining and begging for one of the few truly effective alien defensive abilities to be removed, why don't you just figure out a way to avoid having this problem occur in the future. Think for once, instead of griping.
Or you could all go gorge and make a tower of gorges and if see a marine gorge spit him <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I see nothing wrong with webs the way they are now. They're about the only way to stop the aforementioned ha/hmg/gl/welder rush. How about instead of whining how unfair everything is you congratulate the aliens on working together and figuring out a way to counter your "decisive blow". Now, instead of whining and begging for one of the few truly effective alien defensive abilities to be removed, why don't you just figure out a way to avoid having this problem occur in the future. Think for once, instead of griping. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its called getting 2 Lerks and a few Fades, with a Gorge heal spraying.
I don't have anything against Aliens, but I see so many Fades go Redemption/Adrenaline then complain that HAs don't die. Then I see them plinking away with Acid Rocket and running away when in melee range. If more people knew how to actually melee as a Fade you would really see how fun a HA vs Fade battle can be.
Trust me, a little bit of teamwork on the Alien's side can go a long long way. Have a lerk umbra, a few fades rush in, and a Gorge heal spraying/webbing, and you can take down a small army.
Nades/Welders are useless if a Gorge runs out and starts webbing you directly, they always web at least a few people.
Like I said before though, the only thing about web is that it instantly makes you an easy kill, it needs to "build up" until you can eventually no longer fire your weapon.
Ya know what would be kool?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> IF PEOPLE WOULD READ THE FRICKEN POST.
"TWO WORDS! GRENAGE LAUNCHER!" that is a moot point a grenade launcher wont do **** when a web instantly forms under your feet and INSTANTLY!!! webs you.
please for the love of baby jesus before you say "welder" or "GL" read the fricken post
welders and grenade launchers dont do jack squat if the gorge knows how to combat web.
like someone made a diagram before
x = marine o = web sports - = floor
Ok marine stands here
---x---
gorge webs here o---x---o
and the web instantly forms and instantly webs any marine in that line?!?!?!
<!--QuoteBegin--HoMIciDaL_PuPPy+Apr 28 2003, 10:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HoMIciDaL_PuPPy @ Apr 28 2003, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ya know what would be kool?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> IF PEOPLE WOULD READ THE FRICKEN POST.
"TWO WORDS! GRENAGE LAUNCHER!" that is a moot point a grenade launcher wont do **** when a web instantly forms under your feet and INSTANTLY!!! webs you.
please for the love of baby jesus before you say "welder" or "GL" read the fricken post
welders and grenade launchers dont do jack squat if the gorge knows how to combat web.
like someone made a diagram before
x = marine o = web sports - = floor
Ok marine stands here
---x---
gorge webs here o---x---o
and the web instantly forms and instantly webs any marine in that line?!?!?!
what a concept!
who! woulda thought. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In the original post there was 6 HA/HMG/GL/Welders, i'll presume 4 HMGs and 2 GLs.
If a gorge can web all of them in one energy bar, adrenaline or not, without getting filled with lead, naded and having his webs naded, the marines deserved to be owned.
They simply came up against a situation they had no effective counter for and paid the price. The key is not to panic. Sure, 1, 2 perhaps 3 HAs could get insta-webbed. There comrades need to keep their heads and force the gorge to back off and weld their webbed teamates.
If it ever happens again back off and weld each other whilst any un-webbed GLs spam the gorges area. Once you've regrouped come back with a rolling nade spam, and then watch the post from the aliens saying
"Last night I got beat by massive nade spam by rines, we couldn't stop it!! Surely its unbalanced...!! How can you stop this" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I kid not, search for nade spam and you'll find umpteen posts about it...
2 fades for backup tho... i woulda loved to see those marines charge into 2 fades and a gorge haha they pry woulda died either way (couple of webs + acid + claws) if they tried to stay back and let the nader just shoot, everyone would have gotten webbed. if they charged web + fades?
so yea either way they are screwed vs a good gorge
if you jump around like a crazy fool with a welder out, you normally burn the webs as the gorge now has to get the Z axis height right as well to directly web you, which is harder.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->haha either catpoker didnt read any of it <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i just read the title <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
In my opinion, it sounds to me that some HA/HMG weilding marine got his pride whumped by getting owned by "just" a gorge and is now whining about how overbalanced the webs are.
I mean, he was wearing HEAVY ARMOR!!! And he had a HEAVY MACHINE GUN!!! He was just SO incredibly kick-arse l337 that nobody in the whole GAME should have been able to take him out!! Except maybe a Fade, 'cause fades are, like, Awesome cool, and an Onos, cause everyone KNOWS that once the aliens have Onos that the game is basically over anyway. So if a fade or an Onos had killed him he'd have been "respectably" killed.
But that's not what happened, was it? They walked into a gorge's web trap, and the gorge circle-straifed, keeping them webbed up and immobile, spitting out "healing mist"... not gorge spit, a real weapon, but the humuliating "healing spray" kill... And you KNOW that all the while, the gorge was CHUCKLING.
laughing, and spraying, and webbing, and hopping little squishy insulting hops and LAUGHING at the big nasty l337 HELPLESS marine, and LAUGHING and LAUGHING and LAUGHING and it just makes you HATE that this little GORGE can make you just so IMPOTENT and ineffective when you had such a BIG NASTY gun and you were so COOL and l337, and you were spinning around and you KNEW that if you could just get your gun out that the GORGE would be SOOOOOOO dead, but he won't stop webbing and LAUGHING and then you were...
Dead. And as your screen went black, you could hear just one thing... Heheheheheheheh... and that made you so mad didn't it. That one guy, playing that one gorge, made you so helpless so fast.
It's not about webs being overbalanced. Not at all. It's about some kid getting his nubbies snipped off and having people laugh at him. It's about the web/healing kill being slow and humuliating.
The webs are fine the way they are. You, however, may need councling. <heheheheheheh>
Alright, let's say that 4 of the 6 HA's were webbed, something that's very easy to do. So you're saying the last 2 should take out their welders and clear any extra webs and keep the 4 teammates at full armour right?
Great, so while they're welding, they have no defenses against fades or lerks, and very little against skulks. So what's the counter to that? Take out the weapon. But once you take out the weapon, your teammates get chewed to bits. Counter to that? Take out the welder, and get yourself promptly killed.
Here's something new: There is NO counter against a good webber and a small group of aliens when the marines are attacking. None! You decide to save your teammates, then you'll get chewed. If not, then they get chewed. And once again, read the thread properly and you'll realize that GL's are utterly useless. And then add umbra into the web/skulk/fade mix.
It's must harder to succeed if the marines are fortifying a position though, such as if you were to assault the base with that strategy. It works, but the rate at which fresh marines spawn in generally overwhelms the gorge since it's always the target. It's only when the marines are trying to move into an area (or when they retreat) is it ever easy to web them down, since they have no stronghold to fall back behind.
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I think webs are slightly overpowered, but that said if the marines have res to kit up that many people, they should have previously killed the second hive while building or the original hive (usually less well defended).
The alternative is to completely obliterate the alien res, but hey that should be more viable in 1.1 with any luck, so even with two hives they won't be ABLE to get fade/onos/lerk.
That gorge/fade combo would have been completely devastating if accompanied by an umbraing lerk (fly into the marines' cluster and umbra, get out quick before the nades hit!), or a skulk who can climb up the webbed marines and leap kill them in <1s each <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Roo
The guys in front should have had their welders active, firing at the web, crawling their way along whilst giving the guys behind them the ability to shoot forward.
Really, if your team gets owned by a battle gorge and two fades, who's fault is it really? If your team had welders, the webs should not have been an issue, if you had a GL trooper with you, your team would have been laughing.
Improperly equipped marines in conjunction with inexperience results in wasted res for the marine team.
Solution?
Find better players.
... How can THIS be considered an exploit i have no clue. Anyway back to the point. Clearly the marine werent using their welders enough (all shooting/ try to shoot). What they COULD have done was probably have one guy crouch down and keep his welder up. And welders have a slight range right? I dont think theyre *so* pinpoint as someone mentioned. So he just scans the area, burning up any webs that might appear.
Here's a qoute from hudson's tactics...may help
Shoot...Shoot alot...and don't spend any time aiming or identifying targets. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
heheh Hudson rules <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
well if you come on MY server shouting thats an exploit when FF is OFF...
nuff said.
I hope to put FF ON in 1.1, but when FF is OFF, there is nothing exploiting in landing grenades on your own teammates and structures. When FF is ON, it will stop that tactic and marines will have to deal in other ways, but until that time, Vive La Grenade!
Just WHO considers it an exploit? I know one server where the owner and admins do not...
Roob's *No Time for Muppets* NS 1.04 (CDreq)
163.1.180.217:27016
Roo
NUBY
you just argued yourself out of a point
you are right, a skulk should not be able to take out a HA. the fact is they can, if they have a gorge with webs.
hmm, parasite from a dark corner.
Simply hoping you won't get webbed and shooting at the gorge won't work.
I'd also point out that whilst the gorge is busy webbing the HAs on the floor a JPer could fly over and introduce the business end of an HMG to the gorge <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
What, everyones got HAs you say ?! Mixed sqauds are good.
Never ever EVER have I seen anyone refer to this as an exploit. Ever. Anywhere. Certainly none of the devs, who I would consider the ultimate word on the subject, have said that fireing grenades near your teammates is considered a bug.
A group of heavies without a GL <i>should</i> get taken down. A GL with the pack makes webs obsolete.
What more do you people want? HMG/HA/GL/Weld marines are nearly unstoppable. The marines have almost every advantage there is. 0 cost upgraded marines take down fades like flies anymore, and you still want more nerfs to the aliens?
If anything, I hope they bring the fade back to its old glory and get rid of JP altogether.
And they DEFINITELY need to slow down the weld-armor repair!!!
Yes, webs are good. Only noobs walk/fly in.
TAKE OUT THAT WELDER, IT MAKES YOU LOOK SEXY, and it burns webs too btw.
Its called getting 2 Lerks and a few Fades, with a Gorge heal spraying.
I don't have anything against Aliens, but I see so many Fades go Redemption/Adrenaline then complain that HAs don't die. Then I see them plinking away with Acid Rocket and running away when in melee range. If more people knew how to actually melee as a Fade you would really see how fun a HA vs Fade battle can be.
Trust me, a little bit of teamwork on the Alien's side can go a long long way. Have a lerk umbra, a few fades rush in, and a Gorge heal spraying/webbing, and you can take down a small army.
Nades/Welders are useless if a Gorge runs out and starts webbing you directly, they always web at least a few people.
Like I said before though, the only thing about web is that it instantly makes you an easy kill, it needs to "build up" until you can eventually no longer fire your weapon.
"TWO WORDS! GRENAGE LAUNCHER!" that is a moot point a grenade launcher wont do **** when a web instantly forms under your feet and INSTANTLY!!! webs you.
please for the love of baby jesus before you say "welder" or "GL" read the fricken post
welders and grenade launchers dont do jack squat if the gorge knows how to combat web.
like someone made a diagram before
x = marine
o = web sports
- = floor
Ok marine stands here
---x---
gorge webs here
o---x---o
and the web instantly forms and instantly webs any marine in that line?!?!?!
what a concept!
who! woulda thought.
"TWO WORDS! GRENAGE LAUNCHER!" that is a moot point a grenade launcher wont do **** when a web instantly forms under your feet and INSTANTLY!!! webs you.
please for the love of baby jesus before you say "welder" or "GL" read the fricken post
welders and grenade launchers dont do jack squat if the gorge knows how to combat web.
like someone made a diagram before
x = marine
o = web sports
- = floor
Ok marine stands here
---x---
gorge webs here
o---x---o
and the web instantly forms and instantly webs any marine in that line?!?!?!
what a concept!
who! woulda thought. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In the original post there was 6 HA/HMG/GL/Welders, i'll presume 4 HMGs and 2 GLs.
If a gorge can web all of them in one energy bar, adrenaline or not, without getting filled with lead, naded and having his webs naded, the marines deserved to be owned.
They simply came up against a situation they had no effective counter for and paid the price. The key is not to panic. Sure, 1, 2 perhaps 3 HAs could get insta-webbed. There comrades need to keep their heads and force the gorge to back off and weld their webbed teamates.
If it ever happens again back off and weld each other whilst any un-webbed GLs spam the gorges area. Once you've regrouped come back with a rolling nade spam, and then watch the post from the aliens saying
"Last night I got beat by massive nade spam by rines, we couldn't stop it!! Surely its unbalanced...!! How can you stop this" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I kid not, search for nade spam and you'll find umpteen posts about it...
so yea either way they are screwed vs a good gorge
Yes it was <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But you also did some server pimping so that makes it +-0
And i stated my point much clearer
i just read the title <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I mean, he was wearing HEAVY ARMOR!!! And he had a HEAVY MACHINE GUN!!! He was just SO incredibly kick-arse l337 that nobody in the whole GAME should have been able to take him out!! Except maybe a Fade, 'cause fades are, like, Awesome cool, and an Onos, cause everyone KNOWS that once the aliens have Onos that the game is basically over anyway. So if a fade or an Onos had killed him he'd have been "respectably" killed.
But that's not what happened, was it? They walked into a gorge's web trap, and the gorge circle-straifed, keeping them webbed up and immobile, spitting out "healing mist"... not gorge spit, a real weapon, but the humuliating "healing spray" kill... And you KNOW that all the while, the gorge was CHUCKLING.
heeheeheehee psssshhht!! heeheeheehee Psssshhht! heeheeheehee pssshhht!!!
laughing, and spraying, and webbing, and hopping little squishy insulting hops and LAUGHING at the big nasty l337 HELPLESS marine, and LAUGHING and LAUGHING and LAUGHING and it just makes you HATE that this little GORGE can make you just so IMPOTENT and ineffective when you had such a BIG NASTY gun and you were so COOL and l337, and you were spinning around and you KNEW that if you could just get your gun out that the GORGE would be SOOOOOOO dead, but he won't stop webbing and LAUGHING and then you were...
Dead. And as your screen went black, you could hear just one thing... Heheheheheheheh... and that made you so mad didn't it. That one guy, playing that one gorge, made you so helpless so fast.
It's not about webs being overbalanced. Not at all. It's about some kid getting his nubbies snipped off and having people laugh at him. It's about the web/healing kill being slow and humuliating.
The webs are fine the way they are. You, however, may need councling. <heheheheheheh>
they were complaining about "insta-web" and not a *normal-everyday-garden-variety-web-trap*
kthx.
gg.
np?
omg4r.
Great, so while they're welding, they have no defenses against fades or lerks, and very little against skulks. So what's the counter to that? Take out the weapon. But once you take out the weapon, your teammates get chewed to bits. Counter to that? Take out the welder, and get yourself promptly killed.
Here's something new: There is NO counter against a good webber and a small group of aliens when the marines are attacking. None! You decide to save your teammates, then you'll get chewed. If not, then they get chewed. And once again, read the thread properly and you'll realize that GL's are utterly useless. And then add umbra into the web/skulk/fade mix.
It's must harder to succeed if the marines are fortifying a position though, such as if you were to assault the base with that strategy. It works, but the rate at which fresh marines spawn in generally overwhelms the gorge since it's always the target. It's only when the marines are trying to move into an area (or when they retreat) is it ever easy to web them down, since they have no stronghold to fall back behind.