Webs....

Question

<div class="IPBDescription">Are they being addresed in 1.1?</div> After seeing 6 ha/hmgs/gls being cut down by 2 fades and 1 gorg with adrenaline,im starting to think webs are overpowered.

A 0 res marine shouldnt be able to kill a fade by itself,so......do the res calculation for above example.

There is no possible way to weld a web when the gorg starts spamming the webs EXTREMELY near you.In a split second,you are webbed.You have to be EXTREMELY lucky to be aiming the welder at the EXACT spot he hit with the web.

I mean jesus a gorg with adrenaline can take a ha/hmg by itself.....just web like crazy and spit/healing spray.

Will this be addresed in 1.1?

MaTT

those HA marines = newbie marines tbh

xioutlawix

I second that. Truly nubbie marines.

In my opinion, no tweakage necessary. But new and exciting additions to pre-existing elements in the game are certainly welcome <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

Paq

Yeah, the only thing i hate about web is that when you sometimes get webbed by a gorge who shoots web directly at you.
It doesn't always work, but when gorge spits about 5 webs at you, one of them usually works.

I dont have any problems with those "normal" webs, which are pinned between two walls or on a floor.

killswitch

There has been suggestions that welding a marine will remove the web, to which I heartily support (along with a hazy-white-glow to indicate when someone is webbed)

RyoOhki

What else have aliens got against heavies, short of an onos?

In any case, those marines sucked big time; a pack like that is well nigh invincible if used correctly. If you get webbed, moved towards the back or middle of the pack until it wears off. Have at least one grenadier spamming grenades at any approaching gorges (it's one brave gorge who walks through that). Have also one shotgunner to smash the fades if they try for a meele attack run. Make sure your com gives you plenty of health, and keep the welding happening. You'll be virtually unstoppable and any alien stupid enough to get into close quarters with you is going to be toast. Yes, it can be stopped. But only by a godly alien team who have all gone fades and all concentrate their efforts in one place. Hell, that group only has to reach near a hive then they can hold a phase/seige base with ease.

Ahnteis

If you move to the back, your unwebbed teammates are now in the line of gorgies sticky spit. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Have then shoot from behind where they're safe.

FlyFlown

Nah Webs aint overpowered at all... The guys u've seen are just noobs <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And Ahnteis I *think* that the unwebbed teammates are shooting the gorge and tbh I don't think he'll have time to web some other marines...

NightfireTG

webs should like "only work" when they're mined to the wall.

Elric

How it works is you cross a web across an area a marine already is so he instantly trips the newly created web. Firing web right at a marine will just result in you wasting energy. There is a problem with HA vs 2 hive battles right now but I can't honestly say what it is. Probably just marine stupidity and disproportionate use of the wrong weapons (aka, no grenades or improper use of them).

Mindmeldme

ah newbies...providing hours of entertainment. Chuckles. any skilled set of marines would be able to win in that senerio. It's not to hard really depending on the gear they were given. If they didn't have wielders or a nade launcher is one thing..but...still...only one gorge.

Here's a qoute from hudson's tactics...may help

Shoot...Shoot alot...and don't spend any time aiming or identifying targets.

Incitatus

<!--QuoteBegin--Question+Apr 27 2003, 02:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Question @ Apr 27 2003, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After seeing 6 ha/hmgs/gls being cut down by 2 fades and 1 gorg with adrenaline,im starting to think webs are overpowered.

A 0 res marine shouldnt be able to kill a fade by itself,so......do the res calculation for above example.

There is no possible way to weld a web when the gorg starts spamming the webs EXTREMELY near you.In a split second,you are webbed.You have to be EXTREMELY lucky to be aiming the welder at the EXACT spot he hit with the web.

I mean jesus a gorg with adrenaline can take a ha/hmg by itself.....just web like crazy and spit/healing spray.

Will this be addresed in 1.1? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
omg nubs

HoMIciDaL_PuPPy

all of you that say those were noob marines.... youve never faced a skilled gorge have you?

a gorge can shoot 2 times on the ground where your at and the web will form right below your feet gettin you automatically stuck, and then when yer stuck they can do it again, again, and again till you cant move for a couple minutes. in this time im sure the gorge could heal spray you. Espieceally if he had fades as back-up you would be dead. This is one of the reasons HA rushes dont work well in clan matchs. Way too easy to counter.

Anavrin

What are you guys talking about? Any decent combat gorge with cara and adren will web able to web 3 HA's no problem and keep them webbed. It's not uncommon to have a gorge web up 5 HA's. It's the most foolproof way of killing HA's.

It really doesn't matter if the other HAs have "skill" when they can't shoot and can barely move. Mind you, that's indefinitely until either they luck out and kill the gorge, which would be the gorge's fault, or if the entire team's there decked out in HA's. Even in that scenario, they have much worse problems such as killing the fade/skulk/lerk chewing away at them than to worry about killing the gorge.

MrMojo

Just have guys with no res spent on them in the front, and the ha hmg guys shooting from behind them as a cover. Works taking out hives too.

Anavrin

Dude, web works on a point to point trace line intersecting the player's hitbox. Those points are obviously determined by where you shoot the web blobs. You cannot block this type of shot with people in the front *unless* you're on a hallway that is exactly 1 player hitbox in width. It's not like a bullet in which you can use a meat shield to stop.

Of course, there is the possibility that the gorge isn't using the webs right. It's night impossible to stop a good webber from getting the HA's at the back.

Catpoker

its called a welder.....

Pykmi

Well, I think it is completely fair that a skilled gorge can take HA/HMG/JP marines down easily.

Hey, If 2 HA/HMG/JP marines can take down a hive in less than ½ minute, I think its completely fair that a gorge can counter-attack them.

HA/HMG/JP is a lot lamer than webs. Period.

HoMIciDaL_PuPPy

haha either catpoker didnt read any of it or hes just a noob <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> , were talkin about marines being straightwebbed (2 web shots arcoss marines feet = instaweb)

Zel

i think most of the people int his thread dont kno what is being talked about. the marines did not walk into standing webs, they were formed in under 1 second fromt eh tim the gorge sees the marines till he fires at the walls.

it hink webbing should be delayed, it forms and takes a few seconds for it to "dry"

this solution would make webbing be used strictly for defense, as i think it was intended.

SnO0Py

Woops <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.

Zel

isnt that a totally different topic though?

domesticxdispute

They may be newbies, but you have to remember a good chunk of the NS players are newbies also.

SnO0Py

Woops, your right! I screwed up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.

Fam

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Are they being addresed in 1.1?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yes. They are. Now, would you like to define the word 'addressed' in this context, and then I can happy not give you such cryptic posts. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

MilkyP

Webs should definately only be used for defense, not for a gorge to attack people with, rendering a heavy armor useles agains a skulk...helll...even a gorge

Iced_Eagle

webs ARE only for defense. they dont do any damage just slow you down so another alien can come and eat your n00b HA/HMG @$$. the web isnt supposed to be placed alone from side of one door to the other. they are supposed to be on the ground where it is really hard to see them.

MilkyP

Yes, but the problem is that you can web marines just be shooting the web directly at them, making it an attack move. So, if a skulk and gorge got together, they could easily take out a heavy armor and hmg (something a skulk shouldnt be able to do)

mRWaffles

All I have to see is the more and more I play this game my opinion changes. Firstly I thought alien sucked, and that 1.1 needed to be born to save them, but then after seeing HA/Jetpackers/EVERYONE being cut down by webs I have to wonder. On average within 5 minutes of getting the second hive the game is over. Web + Fade = hmmmmDeddddd

Big_Chief_Brown_Bottom

grendel comfirmed that gorges will have a combat role in 1.1 (at least against buildings) so quit yer bitching foos. webs are fine as is. those 6 ha/hmgers should have had a grenade (underused by nubs) which instantly destroy all webs within its blast radius. and 5 hmg/1nader would totally waste that 2 fade 1gorge combo. if you can't arm yourself with the right tools dont' complain when you can't get the job done.

Question

To all the people who say "nub marines"......

You really really havent been part of a ha/hmg/gl pack that ran into a skilled gorg with adrenaline and backup have you?

I dont understand how people can think that webbing marines,particulary ha/hmg marines on the move as a gorg is DIFFICULT.None of the regulars our server,including me,find it difficult at all.Aim near floor,spam mouse 1.....thats hard?Now its my time to say "nub gorg".

You actually dont need fades.All you need is a bunch of skulks.The marines cant shoot back anyway.

Welder - Yes,you are going to,SOMEHOW anticipate EXACTLY where i am going to web,be able to have time to take the welder out and start welding.....NOT.

To all the people who say kill the gorg before he can web you : Um webs dont take 10 seconds to be shot out.You are NOT going to have time to kill me before i web 3-4 of you has,thereby effectively blocking the fire of those behind(ESPECIALLY in a corridor) and all the while,my skulk/fade/lerk backup is happily doing 75-80 damage per bite/slash on the marines,who cant fight back......

The only time you can possibly out-shoot a gorg who is webbing you is if all the marines are surrounding it.Not likely.

When i mean "Addresed" i mean,will you STILL be able to web marines SO easily in the space of say,1 second?

/me has suspicious feeling supporters for rambo gorg that can disable 6 ha/hmgs at once wont support a freeze ray for the marines that can do the same thing.