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Catnap · April 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">Friendly Fire on without Tournament mode</div> my orginial post is <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=29434' target='_blank'>here</a>

Basically Flayra answered my post saying that I have to get support for my idea..... so post away if you like the idea of Friendly Fire without tournament mode on.

Optikal · April 2003

It's great in theory and I would support it if there werent those **** in life who like to turn people's fun into misery. I vote no only because people who want to get kicks would kill people on their own team. Although if Flayra comes up with some ingenious coding to punish TKs that would actually make them not purposely TK you, then I'd change my "vote" =D

Align · April 2003

I vote yes, because it's a server option, so I can leave the server if there are lamers.

abtm · April 2003

I think that friendlyfire enhances the very core concept behind TOURNAMENT MODE.

Dread · April 2003

My vote: no

RandomEngy · April 2003

FF and pubs just don't mix.

Anavrin · April 2003

I say give the server ops the choice. That way the players can play on FF on and FF off servers as they see fit.

Psycho-Kinetic_Hyper-Geek · April 2003

Serverside option set to off.

MedHead · April 2003

Make it a server side option. I have yet to try it, but I am interested.

Kazyras · April 2003

There is enough griefing and cluelessness abroad as it is that we do not need another way of making pubbing even more painful. There are some occurences where FF would be make the game almost unplayable even with no griefers or total newbies: 10+ marines on nancy comes to mind.

You want to have FF with trusted friends/regulars? Here's a tip: turn on tournament mode. PLEASE do not tempt pub server ops with a casual mode FF variable.

eXogen · April 2003

I really would like to see ff more often, I think it would be pretty bad ****

Flummi · April 2003

I would like to have a server variable to enable/disable FF too

Paranoia2MB · April 2003

I wouldn't mind seeing FF on, but with building damage off and on an adminned server. I just would love to see how many aliens kill each other.

lol..remember when the game first came out? classic <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Kenichi · April 2003

wasnt there another extremely large thread about this. Search is a fun function.

Angelus · April 2003

gets my vote... it would make games more interesting i spose... would definitly have to be a server side option, so i can turn it off it lamers keep tk'in.....mainly coz i dont have power to kick, let alone ban, altho i can votekick

Talesin · April 2003

Versatility is a virtue. Vote yes.

I mean, seriously. It's asking a variable to be put in so the server ops have the OPTION of turning on FF. Default it to off, the casual ops won't know how to turn it on. But the ops who know what they're doing (and therefore will likely be around, or take other measures) can turn it on for those who want to play with FF, but without the pain in the butt of starting up a Tournament-mode game.

Catnap · April 2003

bump

Catnap · April 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kazyras @ Apr 19 2003, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> There is enough griefing and cluelessness abroad as it is that we do not need another way of making pubbing even more painful. There are some occurences where FF would be make the game almost unplayable even with no griefers or total newbies: 10+ marines on nancy comes to mind.

You want to have FF with trusted friends/regulars? Here's a tip: turn on tournament mode. PLEASE do not tempt pub server ops with a casual mode FF variable.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Tournament Mode DOES NOT WORK!!!! I mean it doesn't even do a map change by it self and sometime it wouldn't start the game even when every one says ready. Now what I'm thinking is to have a server so that if people wants to play with FF on then they can. It should be a choice not a burden to play on a FF server.

EnemyWithin · April 2003

It should definately be an option.

Injuis · April 2003

Hell yes. Put ff on without the extras of tourney mode. Make the game a little more exciting. If a serverop chooses to enable ff, he deals with the administration that will definately be needed.

DizzyOne · April 2003

FF is good aslong as u can see ur teammate being hurt, in cs and other games u have blood for this, but rines dont have blood so I think it will be pretty messed up for pubbies. Also ppl usually bite the gorge to get healing and alot of ppl will get teamkilled, more becuz of the reason that they cannot see theyre hurting someone.
Now some ppl might be complete noobs and get kicked becuz they killed their teammates a few times without even really paying attention to it, this is scif-fi not a realisitc game (like cs tries too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> )

Altho I would like to see FF without tourney, but then with somekind of way to show that u are hurting ur allie, so if blood aint a possibility then well err, I dont know <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Arcadius · April 2003

I vote yes. Make it an option so that servers that want it can use and those who don't can keep it off. Simply put, if you don't like FF, don't play on an FF server. Personally, I've played with FF on before (tourney mode on a server I frequent) and it was a blast. Made teh game much more exciting.

Elite_Guard · April 2003

Heres why friendly fire cannot work-

Grenade Launchers, Acid Rocket, Bile Bomb, Xenocide, Spore, Babblers, and Manual Sieges if your server has them.

Also, two skulks cannot bite a building together or they will bite eachother.

Talesin · April 2003

As noted... in a corner of your HUD, have an FF-ON icon that lights up when you can injure your teammates on a given server. Would also save on the 'FF on?' queries across chat. People should get the clue at that point. Maybe have it flash/strobe if you hit one of your teammates, or do something really freaking annoying like leap up to cover half the screen. <shrug>

In addition, the FF icon COULD theoretically (if coded) allow for FF-zones on a map. Hives for Marines (too much bacterium for the FF system to work), Marine Spawn for the Aliens (too many Nanites for their anti-chompeh to recognize each other). Or have contested/high-noise areas where FF is enabled for *both* teams.

...actually, FF zoning could solve a lot of problems. Spore-spam (for those who have a problem with it... I don't), absurd number of turret Hive lockdowns, re-basing to a hive (to a minimal extent). It'd be harder for Aliens to take over the main Marine spawn, and make Marine control of Hive locations more dependant upon the Marines themselves, instead of just plunking down thirty turrets and four TFs.

Moon · April 2003

In theory friendly fire can make any game alot more interesting and tactical. However...

In _public mode_ (remember these are the people that required bringing about the 0-hive death countdown) I'm afraid ff would end up with alot of frustration for me. A ff server is a <b>paradise for lamers</b>. It is the oasis of never-ending pleasure for those so desperate for attention that they're willing to kill off their entire team every chance they get. And the next best thing for them besides <b>killing</b> is constant <b>team wounding</b>, making it difficult to implement some sort of punishment strategy. Also the phenomenon of "ff rage" (not unlike "road rage") makes the atmosphere very unpleasant.

If you're playing on a more "select" server with higher standards of play then I would say that tournament mode is probably more appropriate in any case. I guess having the _option_ of enabling ff seems to be the compromise here...although frankly I would not like to see it at all in a public game anywhere in NS.

My vote: no, spend the time on other more important things.

MeltedSnowman · April 2003

serverside option: yes please

MagiTek · April 2003

I would love to see FF be a server option. With astute admins and plugin mod support there would be no problems with griefers. For those of you worried about splash damage, stop shooting blast weapons at your teammates.

CEldin · April 2003

Not sure if this has been said yet, but I am for it; on one condition. Much like a commander eject option, you must have the option in the menue to vote FF OFF. This would compensate for the fluxuation in skill level between time periods. If there were 'gankers or tks' you could just vote FF off. If there are good players in the server, it would add a new aspect of the game and stay on.

EDIT: I THOUGHT BIG LETTERS WOULD MAKE YOU READ ME <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Catnap · April 2003

If you are afraid of FF then YOU DON'T HAVE TO JOIN THAT SERVER but for those who do it at least gives them a choice. I mean the Server WILL CLEARLY state if it is running with FF on.

The_Finch · April 2003

As a serverside option, yes.

It might also get admins to admin servers.

Aaron · April 2003

I SUPPORT optional FF in non-tournament mode.

Of course this could potentially be bad, but that is true in any case - you find the servers that have a respectable community that you trust, it's no different than malicious coms building 20 com chairs or recycling everything. FF can add to the game experience when used appropriately.

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