Fileplanet Best Mod Poll Of 2002.

Bigtoy · March 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">NS is NOT winning!</div> Howdy All,

I voted about a week ago for NS in the "best mod of 2002" poll going on at FilePlanet (http://www.fileplanet.com/polls/new_mod/). At that time we were light years ahead of all the other mods.

I check it today and to my great surprise I see that "Desert Combat (BF1942) is beating us by 14.1%.

What the heck!?!?!!!?!? Get out there and vote!!

(I sure hope that some hacker on the Desert Combat side has figured out how to fake out the poll. It is hard for me to fathom that any other mod is better than NS in 2002.) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Supernorn · March 2003

your about a week too late...we had this discussion...it turned ugly...it was locked...
the end.

Edit:
oh and according to Fileplanet, the poll only registers one vote per person. Which in my opinion is a total lie, but lets not get into that.

MaTT · March 2003

Bigtoy · March 2003

Man. I hate it when work takes me away from NS for more than a day or two. I loose all sense of what is going on. I will search for that topic and try and catchup.

SemperFi1 · March 2003

Yeah the last thread ended ugly. We even had some nice people from the desert crisis or whatever forums come in here and say we were too poor to upgrade our comps, so thats why we play a crappy mod.

MaTT · March 2003

The search function is your friend.... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

StoneToad · March 2003

What's funy is that NS has been downloaded 2+ times more then Desert Combat (~20k vs ~50k IIRC). But DC has ~5000 rateings for an avg of 5/5 (in the dowload page) where NS only ~250 rateings for an avg of 4.1/5 (also on the dowload page).

We NS players must not be good at voteing! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> Go and click the link on the poll for NS and rate it 5 guys!

Speed_2_Dave · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (StoneToad @ Mar 4 2003, 04:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What's funy is that NS has been downloaded 2+ times more then Desert Combat (~20k vs ~50k IIRC). But DC has ~5000 rateings for an avg of 5/5 (in the dowload page) where NS only ~250 rateings for an avg of 4.1/5 (also on the dowload page).

We NS players must not be good at voteing! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> Go and click the link on the poll for NS and rate it 5 guys!  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
yet another reason why you shouldn't believe a rating system. Although I would have a hard time deciding between a 4 and a 5 for NS, looking at the ratings people give is <b>useless</b> for me. Look at all the fanbois! "omg tihs g4m3 is teh roxxor! Evry1 vote for it!" You shouldn't vote a 5 because you like a game, but because it deserves it.

I play counterstrike a LOT and I'd give it a 4, hands down. Excellently made, with the unfortunate side-effect of being a Team Deathmatch game instead of Team-based objective or whatever it was supposed to be game.

p4Prospero · March 2003

My only complaint with their poll is that DC is neither a total conversion nor a completed mod. It does not seem to be comprable to Theivery or Tour of Duty. While I'm sure the DC people are putting in a lot of effort, there is no comparison in my mind.... it's apples and oranges. Ah well, c'est la vie!

Prosp

Onuma · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (StoneToad @ Mar 4 2003, 04:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What's funy is that NS has been downloaded 2+ times more then Desert Combat (~20k vs ~50k IIRC). But DC has ~5000 rateings for an avg of 5/5 (in the dowload page) where NS only ~250 rateings for an avg of 4.1/5 (also on the dowload page).

We NS players must not be good at voteing! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> Go and click the link on the poll for NS and rate it 5 guys!</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Not everyone downloads NS from fileplanet - I got mine from blueyonder.co.uk, iirc.

I think DC is a larger mod though, and fewer servers are willing to host it; therefore fileplanet gets more hits. DC is almost the same exact game as BF1942 out of the box, it just has different equipment. NS gave Half-Life a total makeover, for the better! As far as mods go, it surpasses all, imho.

StoneToad · March 2003

Actualy DC is 10 meg less. It's only 80meg vs NS's 90meg.

That_Annoying_Kid · March 2003

well I voted for NS becuase I think that it's a pretty good game, and it does deserve it.

Son_of_Loki · March 2003

You guys must have never played DC. You say all it changes is the cosmetics. I don't recall there being helicopters in BF1942. DC has made BF1942 worth my money, and I think it's far better than NS even though it's still at 0.25. You've also got to remember that DC has gotten NO support whatsoever from EA or DICE. Not even a map editor. With so much modern equipment such as M1A1's, A-10's, T72's, MiG-29's etc... this mod is the best game I've ever played.

Brutus · March 2003

I like DC and I mainly play BF1942, but I would have to say it is a toss up between best new mod. Right now I would have to say NS is more polished. The sniper rifle in DC does not even have a barrel yet.

In DCs defense I will say that it changes a lot more then cosmetics. The tanks and planes are faster, have different capabilites and radar. They do not have any tools to work with. No SDK, not map editors, etc.

It is a close race, but at this point I would say that NS should get it.

Supernorn · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Son of Loki @ Mar 4 2003, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You guys must have never played DC. You say all it changes is the cosmetics. I don't recall there being helicopters in BF1942. DC has made BF1942 worth my money, and I think it's far better than NS even though it's still at 0.25. You've also got to remember that DC has gotten NO support whatsoever from EA or DICE. Not even a map editor. With so much modern equipment such as M1A1's, A-10's, T72's, MiG-29's etc... this mod is the best game I've ever played. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

gee...i wonder where YOU came from... *looks at DC Forums* <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Son_of_Loki · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Mar 4 2003, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The sniper rifle in DC does not even have a barrel yet.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Ummm..yes it does. It doesn't look right in first person because damn EA ( <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> ) hasn't given them tools to make custom animations.

Supernorn · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Son of Loki @ Mar 4 2003, 10:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Mar 4 2003, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The sniper rifle in DC does not even have a barrel yet. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Ummm..yes it does. It doesn't look right in first person because damn EA ( <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'> ) hasn't given them tools to make custom animations.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
its a shame developers arent as nice as Valve...must be really frustrating for you over there.... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

Son_of_Loki · March 2003

Yeah, it is. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'> There's tons of stuff we suggested to the DC team, but they often say that it's not possible without an SDK. I think that once EA sees the success that DC is having, they will give them tools and maybe publish them.

p4Prospero · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Son of Loki @ Mar 4 2003, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You guys must have never played DC. You say all it changes is the cosmetics. I don't recall there being helicopters in BF1942. DC has made BF1942 worth my money, and I think it's far better than NS even though it's still at 0.25. You've also got to remember that DC has gotten NO support whatsoever from EA or DICE. Not even a map editor. With so much modern equipment such as M1A1's, A-10's, T72's, MiG-29's etc... this mod is the best game I've ever played.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I guess for me added equipment does not a mod make. It's a different of opinions, and that's cool. From what I saw on the DC site, I was not impressed. To be honest, I haven't tried it, but it did not appear to be anything more than a few new toys added to the same basic game. The fact that they are doing all of the work without any modmaking tools is very impressive, and they should be commended(and EA beaten). However, if I have to choose the best mod which is going to get my vote; a total conversion which nicely merges the RTS and FPS genres while maintaining a sense of fun and comradrie, or a mod which added a few new toys... albiet very nice, fun toys.

For me the choice is clear. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> Luckily there are plenty of gamers to keep active communities for both projects. Hopefully, both teams will get all the support they deserve.

Prosp

Supernorn · March 2003

yes, someone needs to slap EA around a few times... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

CForrester · March 2003

As I said on the DC forums: I like DC, I just like NS better. The only thing I don't like about DC is the insane lag I get in planes even thought I have a gig of RAM and a P4 1.8 GHz.

Da_Sarge · March 2003

I'm sure DC is a great mod...the vote shows it. Since I have never played it (or Bf1942 for that matter) I can't really compare. But I gotta say, if you took a person of the street and sat them down in front of a computer, let em play single player Half-Life for a bit, then show them NS, THEN tell them that is was on the Half-Life engine, that would cause a pretty big shock. (talk about your run on sentences....YEESH!) Basically, what I am saying is NS beat down the HL engine, and reformed it into something COMPLETELY new and beautiful. Correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't seem like DC has touched the level NS has. I even recall someone on the DC forums saying "Half-Life is too old to make good mods anymore..." If only he knew the sheer pleasure of pumping a few HMG rounds into a retreating Onos........

KingKupo · March 2003

i have played DC, and the mod uses a cheap system. they simplify everything, from planes to classes, the engineer that had a oneshot weapon now has a 200 rounds heavy M-gun with overheating if you shoot too long. planes are overpowered and ridicilously easy to fly. DC has no new maps or innovations, just a simplified BF1942.DC is a nice game and had effort put into it, but NS turned HL into a complete new game and will set the example of how team-based RTS games are made....... but then i can't forget tribes and battlezone II.

StoneToad · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Da Sarge @ Mar 4 2003, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm sure DC is a great mod...the vote shows it. Since I have never played it (or Bf1942 for that matter) I can't really compare. But I gotta say, if you took a person of the street and sat them down in front of a computer, let em play single player Half-Life for a bit, then show them NS, THEN tell them that is was on the Half-Life engine, that would cause a pretty big shock. (talk about your run on sentences....YEESH!) Basically, what I am saying is NS beat down the HL engine, and reformed it into something COMPLETELY new and beautiful. Correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't seem like DC has touched the level NS has. I even recall someone on the DC forums saying "Half-Life is too old to make good mods anymore..." If only he knew the sheer pleasure of pumping a few HMG rounds into a retreating Onos........  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
If you think pumping HMG rounds into a retreating onos is fun have a try at killing one with a lvl3 shotty. Hmmm fun. I'll never forget that round on ns_lost. We had them stalemated untill they bilebomed us <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

As far as DC or BF1942 goes I havent played eather.

But I think it's funny (strange, not haha) that something that has been downloaded 34,981 times has way more rateings (5164) then something that was downloaded 55,653 (only 231 rateings).

Sounds to me like NS players are just to lazy to vote <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

you can check the current numbers for the mods at these links:
NS - <a href='http://www.fileplanet.com/files/110000/116360.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.fileplanet.com/files/110000/116360.shtml</a>
DC - <a href='http://www.fileplanet.com/files/110000/118194.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.fileplanet.com/files/110000/118194.shtml</a>

As for the poll showing anything, polls are overated. It's remakably easy to spoof any poll open the the general public, especialy web based ones. Take anything you see on the web with a grain of salt.
Heck, we all know that CS sucks even thought it's a huge number of people play it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

(incase you didnt notice that last comment was a joke)

playerhater · March 2003

As a paying member of File Planet, I wrote them an email asking about the validity of their voting system. That was three days ago, I have yet to receive a reply. Not really expecting one either, but if I do, I will post it here.

Speed_2_Dave · March 2003

um, guys. Don't flame DC. The poll isn't "most innovative mod made this year." And I'm thinking mods don't have to be completed to be put into the competition (I don't consider Gangwars a finished product). I just think you're being a little cruel to the game over the fanbois who ueber-vote the system.

As for innovation, DC's got some good ideas, and little help. NS kicks their butt mod-wise for innovation, but that's a personal (and statistical) opinion.

And for those complaining about DC being unbalanced, try balancing the HMG/JP rush. Or other "issues" in NS (like hitboxes). NS isn't perfect, either. [/soapbox]

Farsight · March 2003

At least i can actually run NS on my computer! Desert crisis would be impossible to load and trying to play it on a modem would be murder. SO NS is the mod for me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'>

Shockeh · March 2003

Got both. Played both. Like NS more. Simple.

Savant · March 2003

I expect this will get locked, but let me add my 2 cents before it does. While I completely support NS there are some things that people seem to be overlooking in regard to the DesertCombat mod.

First off, using File Planet to compare the number of downloads is pointless since BOTH mods have PILES of download mirrors. Just because NS was downloaded more from FilePlanet doesn't mean more people downloaded it overall.

Next, as for players, let's be honest here. If you compare stats you have DC with at least 4x the number of players and servers at any given time, usually more than that. I've seen DC with 10,000 people playing, and I can't think of a time when I saw more then 2000 people playing NS at a given time. DesertCombat is to BF1942 as CS is to Half-Life. The numbers support this. There's no shame in admitting that.

Third, let's be honest here. The vote is nothing more than a popularity contest. If they have a bigger fan base (which based on the number of people they have playing they do) then it stands to reason that they could likely have higher vote counts. So why draw up all the conspiracy therories?

In the end, does it really matter? Whether or not NS gets an award is not going dimish my opinion of it, and I doubt it will impact the developers at all. Sure NS is a great mod, but I play it because it is fun, not because it gets awards.

Regards,

Savant

Shockeh · March 2003

Ahhh Savant, our little voice of reason.

/me cuddles Savant.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

SoulSkorpion · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Savant @ Mar 5 2003, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I expect this will get locked, but let me add my 2 cents before it does. While I completely support NS there are some things that people seem to be overlooking in regard to the DesertCombat mod.

First off, using File Planet to compare the number of downloads is pointless since BOTH mods have PILES of download mirrors. Just because NS was downloaded more from FilePlanet doesn't mean more people downloaded it overall.

Next, as for players, let's be honest here. If you compare stats you have DC with at least 4x the number of players and servers at any given time, usually more than that. I've seen DC with 10,000 people playing, and I can't think of a time when I saw more then 2000 people playing NS at a given time. DesertCombat is to BF1942 as CS is to Half-Life. The numbers support this. There's no shame in admitting that.

Third, let's be honest here. The vote is nothing more than a popularity contest. If they have a bigger fan base (which based on the number of people they have playing they do) then it stands to reason that they could likely have higher vote counts. So why draw up all the conspiracy therories?

In the end, does it really matter? Whether or not NS gets an award is not going dimish my opinion of it, and I doubt it will impact the developers at all. Sure NS is a great mod, but I play it because it is fun, not because it gets awards.

Regards,

Savant  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Is it really that popular? God...

About it being a popularity contest, unfortunately that's the point. People notice games that have big followings. The more votes a game gets, the more publicity. If someone who's played none of the mods on the list looks at the result when it's all over and goes "gee, this mod won, I haven't tried it, it must be good" and that mod isn't NS, NS loses. So it's good for a mod to be in the spotlight, however dubious the voting procedure to get it there.

And just to throw in my 2c to the argument, I haven't played DC (I don't own BF1942) but I prefer an innovative game to a game with planes and tanks and boring real life weapons. If I'm way off the mark, never mind <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

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