Ever Use Kazaa, Napster, Or Listen To A Mp3?

Berger · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Um and hollywood with all its money cannot make Music artists rich enough? In other words I hear that artists make "part" of their income off of the cd's they sell, <b>but why can't they make the money just for being famous?</b>
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You do realize how ridiculous that sounds, don't you? Do you believe that, for example, when Bon Jovi walks down the street, people just walk up and give him money because he is a celebrity? To make money, you need a product. For musicians, that product is their music, and the only way they can make money off their music is, currently, by selling CDs.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Omg its not like people can record live music from shows on tv, or the radio, or ...yeah. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Dude, how do you think all these .mp3s get on the Internet in the first place?

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>When has the law ever stopped me(or anyone) from doing anything I(or they) have really wanted to do?" </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Exactly. Unless the government can find an efficient way to find and prosecute every person who has used KaZaA or Napster or Bearshare or Audiogalaxy(I've used them all <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> ), then people will continue to pirate files. What worries me is <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=10&t=21169' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...ST&f=10&t=21169</a> . The TCPA and this NET act could completely disable piracy in the space of a year or two. And that's bad. I like my gig-and-a-half of music. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Dezmodium · January 2003

I think people here are forgetting the fact that unless you are a huge pop start, you make nothing off of cd sales.

I've known quite a few local musicians and once they get signed they make less than 5% off cd sales. All their money comes from live shows which in my opinion is far superior to recorded music anyways.

Berger · January 2003

Yes. Online music piracy has the effect of helping the small, local bands to gain popularity while slightly reducing profits for the huge stars. There's nothing wrong about this for most people, except for the huge music CEOs, who lose a miniscule margin of profit that they wouldn't have had anyway. The only reason I download music is because my pockets aren't overflowing with the cash I'd need to buy every single $20 CD I want. Illegalizing online piracy isn't going to change that; I still won't be able to buy those CDs. So, by banning piracy, noone gains anything. I lose my .mp3s and the recond company CEOs don't get a penny from me.

Speed_2_Dave · January 2003

to the person thinking CD's is the only lifeblood for a musician.. wow. Go to a concert every once in a while; you find the true great bands that way (Cowboy Mouth is incredible onstage, while some popular bands just... are really bad)

As for 14 bucks for a CD.. that's the only time I'll buy a CD, and if they're that cheap they have at the most 12 songs on them (rarely). Most CDs in the US cost form 17-24 bucks at "name-brand" music stores, not including tax.

Link · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Jan 28 2003, 04:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why should I pay over 40$ so i can listen to like 3 songs over like 3 different CD's.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Because someone went to the effort of making it and have the right to charge what they like for it. Your opinion is not acctually relevent.

That said, I have been know to discover certain file type "mysteriously" appearing on my machine, but if I like it, I go out and buy it.

BTW, recording a record off of the radio is just as illegal as d/ling mp3's, but the people who get upset about mp3s are simply ludites who have an adversion to modern tech. They forget that they recorded off of the radio when they were younger

TenSix · January 2003

I would pay $1 per song...but how the hell am I supposed to know if I like that song or not!? Not to mention most of my stuff is obscure types of electronica that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere in the US or online OTHER then a P2P network.

I might buy a Chemical Brothers CD or something, they are good, but 90% of my music is from artists that are very obscure. But hey, the more obscure the less pop polluted they are (*cough* Paul Oakenfold and Moby *cough*).

Berger · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Jan 28 2003, 11:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> to the person thinking CD's is the only lifeblood for a musician.. wow. Go to a concert every once in a while; you find the true great bands that way  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
That's not what I said. I was responding to the person who said that artists didn't need CD sales, that they could make money 'just by being famous.' Yes, artists make money off of concerts, but not much, at least not for the local bands.

Windelkron · January 2003

Heh. is it against the law? Yes. Is it wrong? No.

Consider the case of Rosa Parks.

Spyder_Monkey · January 2003

Do I download a few miscellaneous songs? Yes. Do I still buy music? Yes, most definitely. When I'm out shopping, if I come across a CD from an artist I know and love (kOrn, Rammstein), I'll **** it up and listen to it non-stop. I agree with a few people here in that I won't purchase an entire CD from a new artist for the 1 song of theirs I know.

Salty · January 2003

Wouldnt this be selective prosecution? Plus if everybody you know downloads music shares music burns music you really think a jury is going to convict you?

I can understand when its something like a computer program where people had to put in long and hard hours making coding and such.

Playing a guitar for a living though? Get off your **** and go play in a concert.

Jim · January 2003

I think that having a CD is much better than the album on mp3. I dunno why but having the CD feels better to me.

The problem is, a from a CD that costs £15 - not much goes to the artist. The CD must cost, what, 20p, case 50 and the artist gets a tiny cut. The rest goes to filling pockets in the record company/the store <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

I usually download mp3s of an artist, and if I like the majority I will buy their latest album. I won't "impulse buy" like I do with old games, because at £15 a pop I'm soon out of money. If albums were a fiver, and more money went to the artist I would be more inclined to purchase the CD first, download later.

Nemesis_Zero · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Link @ Jan 28 2003, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Jan 28 2003, 04:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why should I pay over 40$ so i can listen to like 3 songs over like 3 different CD's. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Because someone went to the effort of making it and have the right to charge what they like for it. Your opinion is not acctually relevent.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Actually, the person putting an artistic effort in producing the CD and the person charging the prize have most probably never even met.
The big labels are so damn afraid of P2P because it undermines their monopoly on content distribution, which in turn eliminates their possibilty to charge whatever they want - from both sides, musicians <i>and</i> costumers.

Sancho · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nomble @ Jan 28 2003, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Here in sweden someone kicked a 3 months old baby to death and got 3 years and nothing else. And a guy who downloads music and listens to it can get 10years and to pay a huge sum of money to the companys. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yes, and I find it funny that you can get 20 years (minimum I think) for doing heroin. Not selling it, just using it. Funny, because the original purpose of laws (in the US, anyway) was to keep people from harming <b>each other.</b> I find it ridiculous that you can get arrested for harming yourself now...

Sorry, little off-topic <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Llama_Killer · January 2003

arrrr arrrr good thing im not American...

Poor you guys though i wouldnt go so far as acusing the better off people of writing this bill...

Salty · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Someone Who Cares @ Jan 28 2003, 04:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nomble @ Jan 28 2003, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Here in sweden someone kicked a 3 months old baby to death and got 3 years and nothing else. And a guy who downloads music and listens to it can get 10years and to pay a huge sum of money to the companys. </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yes, and I find it funny that you can get 20 years (minimum I think) for doing heroin. Not selling it, just using it. Funny, because the original purpose of laws (in the US, anyway) was to keep people from harming <b>each other.</b> I find it ridiculous that you can get arrested for harming yourself now...

Sorry, little off-topic <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Its because usually these people dont have health insurance so the federal goverment has to pay for thier treatment so as a deterent they put people in jail for 20 yrs. Also people will friggin sell thier own kids for a heroin. You ever know heroin junkies? They wont even have sex because it cant compare to hight they get.

AllUrHiveRblong2us · January 2003

Since when does the Gov. provide health care? Isn't that one of the many things Clinton promised to do, but never did?

And if herion junkies don't have sex, where do they get these kids?(bad joke)

Llama_Killer · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jan 28 2003, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Since when does the Gov. provide health care? Isn't that one of the many things Clinton promised to do, but never did?

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Move to Canada <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> then you can get rehab for free!

AllUrHiveRblong2us · January 2003

There isn't a day I don't think long and hard about doing just that.

Salty · January 2003

If you od in the middle of the streets they dont just leave you there. Fine go to canada and pay like 65% of your friggin income for that health care <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

AllUrHiveRblong2us · January 2003

I'd gladly pay 65% of my imcome for health care, considering that it also means that I am less likely to get shot there, it looks like a win-win to me.

Salty · January 2003

Yes but beaver attacks are 150% more likly.

AllUrHiveRblong2us · January 2003

I yet to hear any straight man complain about beaver attacks.

Sycophant · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I yet to hear any straight man complain about beaver attacks.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I don't think I've ever posted a one-line response in the 3 months (<i>almost</i>) I've been posting here, but.....

LOL!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

(and yes, I realize my pre-oneliner explanation basically nullified the "one-liner" label) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

NumbersNotFound · January 2003

5 years in jail?

For what? So the RIAA can **** about slowing sales while i'm locked up and unable to buy CDs?

And once im' out, the 250,000 dollar fine will prevent any leasure for awhile.

They are shooting themself in the foot.

Nighpher · January 2003

so much so little

Cyborgguineapig · January 2003

Haha

<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/01/29/hack.music.reut/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/01/2...reut/index.html</a>

Dezmodium · February 2003

I am a <b><i><u>Criminal</b></i></u>.

FeydToBlack · February 2003

If you are interested in finding out more on this, i found the group that is legally representing all of those great P2P networks (including Napster, rest its soul). The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been protecting you from all those greedy corporate monney grubbers and government "protectors of national security" for years. If you havent seen what they have done, pop over to thier site (http://www.eff.org)and take a look at some of the cases they have going. Some of what they are trying to stop could have could be horrible for any person that has any "cyberspace profile" (which, in this day and age is everyone). From P2P, to domain name disputes, from protection of anonymity to jurisdictional problems (think of being prosecuted for posting an obscene message in this forum because some religious community in Alabama finds it offensive (it has been done <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>)), from government survalence to the protection of encription of data on the 'net. This organization is divoted to keeping the future on the net open, available, and free to all.

Now that i am done with my 1:30 rambling, i have to go write a chem paper.

BTW, Canada is looking better and better with each passing day.

Testament · February 2003

Aaah, I love Canada. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

xioutlawix · February 2003

You mean America junior?
Or America 2: The sequel?

<grin>

Ever Use Kazaa, Napster, Or Listen To A Mp3?

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