Ever Use Kazaa, Napster, Or Listen To A Mp3?

TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Under the N.E.T. Act...your a FELON</div> <a href='http://news.com.com/2010-1071-982121.html?tag=fd_nc_1' target='_blank'>http://news.com.com/2010-1071-982121.html?tag=fd_nc_1</a>

$250,000 and up to 5 years in jail for ANY type of file sharing. Even if you havent used Napster since it faded away, your still a felon according to this law. The NET Act allows the government to prosecute you for sharing or downloading so much as a single file (<a href='http://www.cybercrime.gov/spataforeplea.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.cybercrime.gov/spataforeplea.htm</a>).

It also allows for a "victim impactment statment"...meaning the RIAA, MPAA, or BSA can be called to dole out their sob story at your trial.

Think it won't happen? Members of the RIAA have been meeting with the Justice Department. And may soon nab that unlucky SOB who was randomly picked to be placed on a pedastal and trumpeted as a criminal and thief.

Im not sure what to do about this beyond the usual "Write Your Congressman" thing. All I know is that every time I download a file, some spokesman for some AA group whines louder. What pisses me off is the hypocracy. While that spokesman is driving back home to his $500,000 mansion im stuggling just to get a decent house and make a living. Excuse the hell out of me for wanting to listen to some music once in a while. Fun is reserved for the rich right?

P.S. Im sick of the Bush bashing whenever a political topic is brought up, so before anyone goes off topic into a little rant, please note Bill Clinton signed this bill. Fight the NET act not the President <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    All I have to say is if the record companies would give me some music worth buying then maybe I would.

    I usually get 1-2 tracks off an entire CD. I'm not going to waste my money, heck, if they care that much about 1-2 tracks they might as well get rid of radio.
  • saint0zsaint0z Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1505Members, Constellation
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    WHY ARE PEOPLE SO STUPID!?
  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    What frustrates me, is that these <b>are not poor people</b>. A healthy percent of the RIAA makes $100,000 a year, with the usual minimum being $500,000 or more. That means these folks are making in 1 month nearly what 90% of the general public makes <b>in a year</b>.

    Im sorry, but when the rich and greedy get up on a stand and complain about piracy and stealing its hard for me to feel sympathy. Lets see them live on a $40,000 a year budget for awhile while working insane overtime just so they can enjoy a movie on the weekends, then I will gladly go to jail.
  • Silver_FoxSilver_Fox Spammer Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 34Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I find it funny people think it is ok to steal and protest something like this ...

    Hell, I'm no saint and I have a few files here or there (that I may soon be deleting) that I didn't obtain legaly ...

    but - when throughout all your downloading didnt you know it was wrong?

    Please ..

    If your gunna gamble, you better be prepaired to pay ...
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I'm fine with downloading music. Why should I pay over 40$ so i can listen to like 3 songs over like 3 different CD's. I shouldn't. They play the same songs on the radio.
  • ZerglingZergling Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9977Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Silver Fox+Jan 28 2003, 07:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Silver Fox @ Jan 28 2003, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    but - when throughout all your downloading didnt you know it was wrong?
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    actually, i knew it wasn't wrong. These record labels have no right to live off of someones artistic creation. Not only that but they distort it because of their profit motive. Disgustingly parasitic they are. Just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong. There is no justice in the capitalist justice system.

    Anyway, thank's TenSix, for informing us all about the upcoming prosecutions, I will make sure to 'legalize' my activities.
  • Silver_FoxSilver_Fox Spammer Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 34Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    just remember to keep that 'screw the government! Down with capatilism!' commie attitiude when you got Bubba behind you in a Federal Pen ...
  • SycophantSycophant Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7092Members
    edited January 2003
    Like most things in this day and age, it always comes back to money. Yes, the RIAA and MPAA deserve to be paid, but they're certainly going overboard on their retaliation.

    Ultimately, it boils down to an equation of "how much money we can get for doing as little as possible". They see this huge cash cow that's tethered to something as widespread as pirating, so they want to milk it for all it's worth.

    The fact that their greed in wanting "as much as possible, as soon as possible" is irrelevant - it'll kill the cow, but they'll be rich <b>now</b>. Future generations will probably end up financially scarred from the actions of today, but those in power today will be able to drive their Porche's and swim laps in their own private olympic-sized pool. Hey, why give a damn about anyone else anyways?

    Let's say someone downloads a movie instead of paying $20 for the DVD, so the RIAA/MPAA sue them for hundreds of times more money than they would have received from the DVD sale. "Making an example", they'll call it. BS! It's always "how much money we can get for doing as little as possible". I'm sure that if they could sue <i>everyone</i> who downloaded a movie, they'd do it.

    Obviously, I have no love at all for the associations and organizations that are after all us so-called "pirates" (and yes, everyone who has access to the Internet is considered a pirate by these people). I truly believe they have the right to defend their copyrights and be paid <u>accordingly</u>, but they're approaching it completely the wrong way.

    The Internet has provided a means of mass-distribution of multimedia for almost no cost to the distributor. These associations and organizations want to stick to their old business model because it's what they know, and because they don't know how to capitalize on the Internet business model.

    I agree that this business model is very insecure. It <i>can</i> be controlled, but someone will always try to crack it if it seems beneficial enough to the cracker. The trick is to not make it worth the cracker's while to do so. Sure, you'll still get hobbyists that'll fool around with cracking it, but it won't be nearly as widespread if the CD/DVD prices were <b>much</b> more reasonable in the first place.

    They realize they no longer have complete power over a medium. They want money in recompense for their loss of power because they obviously still believe that money equals power.

    In this day and age, yes.

    Tomorrow? There won't <i>be</i> a tomorrow.
  • Sephiroth2kSephiroth2k Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 481Members, Constellation
    OH CRAP MAN!
    /me burns all his songs that he taped from the radio! you'll never catch me now hahaha!
    ...
    is what would be happening if these people were serious about their music being stolen. why go after the internet when people can tape it off the radio?
  • SanchoSancho Join Date: 2002-03-30 Member: 365Members
    All you're doing when you steal these songs off of the internet is making it more expensive for the people who buy their CDs legally. Also, you're not just hurting the record companies, you're hurting the artist as well. Buy them and stop you're whining.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Even if you're not going to discuss the criminality of filesharing here (in my opinion, it still qualifies as advertisement), you have to admit that the possible punishment is in no relation to the 'offense'. Having used a P2P network is all you have to do - that means that I, who have done nothing with KaZaA but keeping the NS installer in circulation for the last three months, commited the same crime as somebody d/lling $500.000 worth in CDs in that time.
    Or, if I happen to own the CDs I d/lled songs from, but couldn't get them to play because of the copy protection on them (...), am I criminal, too?

    Yes, you'll tell me that the law 'won't be used to prosecute that', but it's friggin capable of doing so. Would you nod to a law banning every kind of sex even if it's mostly geared at child molesters?
  • KillymageeKillymagee Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3136Members
    lol thats pathetic, they reported a 2 PERCENT DECLINE IN SALES like OMG thats f*** all I know people who download like maniacs and they STILL buy dvds up the yingyang. Ha Ha they'll NEVER stop the piracy off the internet its just too damn big, theres always gonna be a "cracker" or a "hacker" that finds some way around it.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> man I laugh whenever they try this sh*t its been done before and they have failed every time (shutting down napster laff....)
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    I would have paid to see a certain movie that I watched on my computer, but I don't have a car and missed out :/

    Otherwise, not much to complain about from me. I only get CDs if I love them. I have countless songs (at least 50 on a list in a word document) that I wish I had, but won't buy individually. Have I pirated them? no. Why? Lazy.

    As for the right and wrong, it depends if you view what is legal and illegal as what is right and wrong.

    Point for this case--Slavery was legal in the US for a LONG time, even after it had been banned in most European (I think all, but I flunked AP European history so I don't wanna say that) countries. So was slavery wrong then, or is it wrong now? *shrug* I don't care what your opinion is, just don't force it on me. I have the same attitude towards the RIAA, and anyone else who wishes to regulate something that I find isn't "wrong."

    For the record--I don't find piracy wrong directly. Yes it harms more than it helps, but to prevent it is to start constricting the freedom of speech. I find that right the most important right (especially on the Internet), and therefore would only be angry, not vengeful, if someone "stole" my work and distributed it FREELY. If they charge money (like most War3z have to do now), then I'm against it. If it's free for anyone and everyone, it's your call. It shouldn't be done, but it's not wrong. You're "spreading the word to those who will listen"

    Gah, now I sound like a pirate, I'll try to stop posting at 1:30 in the morning.

    And to throw in a quip against Windows--stealing your partner's work, calling it your own, licensing it, and making BILLIONS of dollars off it is one of the lowest things you could ever do. If it were opensource or Publicly licensed, I wouldn't care less about the man, but he definitely would not be as rich as he is now.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I usually get 1-2 tracks off an entire CD. I'm not going to waste my money, heck, if they care that much about 1-2 tracks they might as well get rid of radio. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I could of sworn that there was a radio station that was sued for giving away free CDs...

    Yup, you read that right. The concept of "prizes" was, or is being brought to court.

    Can't seem to find the article, but I'm positive I heard it...
  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To amend the provisions of titles 17 and 18, <b>United States Code</b>, to provide greater copyright protection by amending criminal copyright infringement provisions, and for other purposes.

    <i>Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the <b>United States of America</b> in Congress assembled,</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Not to be picky but I read through that article, the amendment and quite a few other related articles and there is nothing to say about prosecution outside of the US, this is merely (apparently correct me if im wrong) an American law so the rest of the worlds pirates can breathe safely for the moment.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A quick check of Kazaa on Friday afternoon showed that there were 4.1 million users online, sharing some 800 million files. The odds of any specific person getting busted are pretty low, but someone's going to be a test case. Got your lawyer ready? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    as the percentage of Americans making up the worlds population is only 5% that would give us approximately 200,000 americans on kazaa at that time, and out of those 200,000 only a few thousand are "likely to be elligible for prosecution" and even then, out of those few thousand <i> evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement. </i>

    More scaremongering by people like the RIAA who are worried that they'll not be able to afford that second merc this week.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Not getting into whether this is right or wrong...

    Everyone I know has mp3's. Everyone. My boss at work, my coworkers who don't even know what a computer is, my teachers, my fellow students, my friends, even my parents. Chances are a lot of other people are like this too. I doubt they are going to send everyone in america to jail, and the way lawyers are today if they did start to enforce this then people may get off for discrimination ("why did you not prosecute the other 2,000,000 people doing this") sort of thing...
  • BurrBurr Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9358Members
    edited January 2003
    yes, I too have dabbled in the evils of file sharing, but my mother always told me that it was nice to share.

    Really, this is one of those things that everybody does and to put everyone in jail for and have them on trial for would be a waste of time/money/sanity

    Its just a scare tatic

    (edit: My avatar is copyrighted too, as with alot of them, are we all going to get prosecuted?)
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    What I like to do is download a movie online, watch it, delete it, and if I like it, I'll go out and buy the DVD or pay to see it in the theatre if it's there. It's better than wasting money on a movie you hate. And it's the same with music. I downloaded a few songs from the second Good Charlotte album, decided I liked them, and I'm now saving up money to buy the CD. If anything, filesharing gives movies and bands alot MORE publicity. More publicity = More sales. (Metallica's sales probably grew a considerable amount after the whole Napster fiasco.) It's like in supermarkets, they offer free samples of their product to try before you buy. I'm just taking free samples, and then buying if I like the product.
  • CyborgguineapigCyborgguineapig Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3233Members
    Um and hollywood with all its money cannot make Music artists rich enough? In other words I hear that artists make "part" of their income off of the cd's they sell, but why can't they make the money just for being famous?

    I can just see 30 years from now and realize how right the Sci-fi writers were when they said that one day, our lives would be completely controlled by the government. **** you'll see. Its gonna be like Minority report in the future.

    This all makes me want to kill something more.

    Omg its not like people can record live music from shows on tv, or the radio, or ...yeah.
  • Shrike3OShrike3O Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6678Members, Constellation
    It's real simple, people... there's something called "copyright law," and by making copies of a document/song/artwork that you have not been authorized to make a copy of, you're breaking copyright law.

    The fact that you may not think this is a JUST law is not the point... it *is* the law, and the fact that most of us willingly break it fairly regularly is not any reason to think it should be made legal.

    People are perfectly within their rights to come after you on this... just keep those odds in mind. They don't worry me enough to make me do anything differently than I already do.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited January 2003
    [cheapexample]
    It's real simple people ... some 50 years ago, there was something called 'Act for the Security of People and Nation' where I live. It basically allowed the government to get rid of all human rights, all limitations to their powers, and all controls against them. But hey, it was the law, right?
    [/cheapexample]

    Being a history nut, I know what utter crap has been institutionalized from time to time. There is no weaker argument.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not to be picky but I read through that article, the amendment and quite a few other related articles and there is nothing to say about prosecution outside of the US, this is merely (apparently correct me if im wrong) an American law so the rest of the worlds pirates can breathe safely for the moment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Did you ever plan on visiting the US? Well, after that law's passed, you'd better think twice.
    Some russian Computer Science students got arrested in the States for breaking the DCMPA in their homecountry (where they pointed a security leak out).

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as the percentage of Americans making up the worlds population is only 5%<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The world population hasn't so much to do with the amount of users in the web.
  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Members
    I don't mind saying that I attempted to try Napster a couple years ago and never really got into it. I guess my music library just isn't that important to me.

    I'm wondering though- if the argument was "I only want 2-3 songs off an album anyway, why shouldn't I just download them?"

    If one CD costs around 14$ U.S. and there are usually around 10-14 songs per CD, would any of you FTP users be willing to pay 1$ per song?

    For me, the logic is that music companies are trying to sell music not CDs. Maybe I'm out of the loop but have they tried to sell individual tracks?

    I suppose this would have a fairly dramatic effect on the music CD production industry, but if the demand is there, where is the supply?
  • SycophantSycophant Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7092Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I suppose this would have a fairly dramatic effect on the music CD production industry, but if the demand is there, where is the supply?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Like I said earlier......
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->These associations and organizations want to stick to their old business model because it's what they know, and because they don't know how to capitalize on the Internet business model.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Making stacks of CD's is what they know. They have yet to find a secure and reliable method of distributing music over the Internet in a way they can control, so they plug all kinds of laws to attempt to counter the fact that they have absolutely no control over Internet distribution.

    Once they find a way to do this that they agree on, expect to see the "$1 per track downloads" becoming commonplace, and the physical CD's being slowly phased out.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited January 2003
    Yes, there were such attempts, but they can only be called 'half-assed', as:

    - As joint as the labels are against piracy, they're enemies amongst each other, thus making a joint commercial portal where you could get all kinds of music impossible.
    - Most test services were overprized and had only a very thin collection of songs, most of which were not in any way 'big sellers' either way.
    - Nothing was really advertized, thus not creating any broad demand.
  • ThePhilipsThePhilips Join Date: 2002-09-09 Member: 1302Members
    Here in sweden someone kicked a 3 months old baby to death and got 3 years and nothing else. And a guy who downloads music and listens to it can get 10years and to pay a huge sum of money to the companys.
  • SycophantSycophant Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7092Members
    Sadly enough, that's how the world works nowadays. A potential loss of revenue from pirating has a far bigger financial value <b>to businesses</b> than the loss of the life of a 3 month old child.

    It's all about the green....

    (or red.. or blue.. or whatever color your money happens to be <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
  • DezmodiumDezmodium Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1575Members
    This makes me angry but then I remembered, "When has the law ever stopped me(or anyone) from doing anything I(or they) have really wanted to do?" never.

    If they make this stuff illegal then people will just find more creative ways to fileshare. Plain and simple.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Jan 28 2003, 01:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Jan 28 2003, 01:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> WHY ARE PEOPLE SO STUPID!? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know! I mean, you would think that people would realize that they are stealing these songs, and that other people pay for them, but no, they just have to keep downloading these songs that are obviously not supposed to be free.
  • DezmodiumDezmodium Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1575Members
    Maybe the record companies are scared that they can't price fix anymore because people are learning the real value of recorded music.
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