<!--QuoteBegin--Corrado+Jan 23 2003, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Corrado @ Jan 23 2003, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just pointed out something that i found curious...one of the games was played on a 1.04i server...well, correct me if i'm wrong, there's only 2 1.04 servers in europe, and they are very poorly run...so NG will have had a lot less experiance with the patch than syn, who will most likely have had loads...
Bias? I think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> we also beat them on their server with them having about a 30 ping average, we also practiced on euro 1.03 servers, they could have done the same thing that we did.
when you try to make an excuse, make it worth reading, otherwise you just look like a chump
Firewater: That's not really true though, this was the first time i've played 1.04 you've played 1.03 a bunch of times. Im not trying make an excuse but it sure helps to defend the total whoop that made me feel like a noob <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--BlueGhost+Jan 24 2003, 03:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueGhost @ Jan 24 2003, 03:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the BY servers being decent, errrr they're over-loaded and frankly the pings are nothing special, AND they put a password on yet are STILL full of newbs.
BlueGhost<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> BY servers are terrible. Old shoeboxes held together with duct tape. Ping goes up to triple digits whenever the game gets complicated. Nice players tho - my personal theory is that they'v elearned INSPITE of BY's terrible performance.
<!--QuoteBegin--FireWater+Jan 23 2003, 11:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FireWater @ Jan 23 2003, 11:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Corrado+Jan 23 2003, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Corrado @ Jan 23 2003, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just pointed out something that i found curious...one of the games was played on a 1.04i server...well, correct me if i'm wrong, there's only 2 1.04 servers in europe, and they are very poorly run...so NG will have had a lot less experiance with the patch than syn, who will most likely have had loads...
Bias? I think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> we also beat them on their server with them having about a 30 ping average, we also practiced on euro 1.03 servers, they could have done the same thing that we did.
when you try to make an excuse, make it worth reading, otherwise you just look like a chump<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1.04 servers are in beta...they are not commonly available. You must have tried the tactics on 1.03 servers in the us pinging normal loads of times and learnt the tactics with a decent ping...try playing a new version on the other side of the atlantic with a higher ping and its quite harder to adjust...the amount of 1.04 beta servers are relatively low at the moment, compared to 1.03...the game should have been straight 1.03, the common norm that all the players are used to...think about it...
But, saying that...NG were just as stupid as to not complain about playing on a 1.04 server, syn had an obvious advantage with knowledge of 1.04...pity NG didnt complain.
<!--QuoteBegin--Evildwarf+Jan 24 2003, 12:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Evildwarf @ Jan 24 2003, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Firewater: That's not really true though, this was the first time i've played 1.04 you've played 1.03 a bunch of times. Im not trying make an excuse but it sure helps to defend the total whoop that made me feel like a noob <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i'm not talking to the NG folk i'm talking to the other people that try to make our victory seem less than what it is,
NG are skilled individuals, you guys dont need to make excuses.
From what I see in the demo you guys had the proper build order in 1.04i ... I don't see any problems here. Although, you did lose on your server(with a guy lanned - sub 40 pings for most of you) with the map of your choice on 1.03 (which syn hasnt played on in a month or so). We look forward scrimming you more, and more on 1.04i so you guys can practice it for your clanbase matches <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. As for this eurovsamerica thing.. its all stupid. sYn and NG <3 eachother. I expect the rest to follow.
<!--QuoteBegin--rebo+Jan 23 2003, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Jan 23 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Another thought i have is that of the future of the lerk. sYn demonstrated that it was possible to use a 1 hive lerk effectively to combat the JPers tho this was in 1.04 and the lerks were not 'that' effective. i.e. a concentrated rush rather than one or two marines would of decimated the hive. Maybe lerks spikes could rupture the jetpacks fuel load or push the marine away thru space. This would make them more effective anti JP aliens.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> it was not so much the lerk, it was the lerk/skulk combo, my objective as the lerk was to either
A)spike the down the JPer
B)spike the JPer enough so that he would have to land for health, and let our skulks time his landing and attack.
If he does not land, he keeps getting spiked, if he does land, he runs the risk of getting chomped by a skulk.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sturmsoldat+Jan 24 2003, 02:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sturmsoldat @ Jan 24 2003, 02:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->DW have never say.. that American clans sucks :l i dont know who have say that DW have speak **** about US clans ? id like to know that dude..
good new's we have Match against sYn .. on saturnday 25.1.2003<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> someone demo that? i'd really like to see it.
The topic is here to say GGs, and a wellplayed out match with 2 great clans. Its not here for any other reason, don't take it like that please. Storm, I'm looking very forward to our match Friday, it should be a blast. By the way america, NG and DW have shown great respect and sportsmanship since ive met them. Please do not flame these people, as they do not deserve to be flamed. Theyre a great bunch of guys who like to play NS just like we do <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think there is a bit of the "America vs. Europe" thing going around because from time to time, someone from Europe will make some prominent posts about how HMG rushing is way overpowered and it's dominating European clanplay (something we haven't seen over here). So, this match was in many ways the proving ground for whether "Europeans" have all these crazy strats that we haven't even discovered yet.
I do think it was unfair that NG hasn't played v1.04 though, and that's definitely something to take in consideration. Of course, sYn probably hasn't played v1.03 for quite some time, but that's less of a disadvantage. As balance changes are always in the works, I don't know what to do about this unfairness. I could remove all the clans from the beta server group, or I could add them all (neither sounds like a good idea to me). I might be able to have some releases only address bugs and others only affect balance, and have the balance betas be publically available, but that's a big pain for me (not to mention, the fixing of some bugs DOES affect balance).
Whatever the final outcome, keep in mind that all clans will have plenty of time to play on the current version before any real competition.
How about arranging a betaserver with some people in europe, flayra? Don't have to be more than one, it will give different inputs without people having to endure cross-atlantic latency.
hmmm, i only said euro v america because NG is #1 on the euro ladder clanbase. I figured thats all of europe but whatever....
Also I do think aliens should get to choose their first hive location in matches....but more on that, and a bunch of other things, in my next balance writeup. Keep watchin www.shambler.net <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also yah i think the 1.04 scrim wasn't the fairest scrim i've ever seen, but the 1.03 one was solid.
cool demo. but i think i noticed some visual glitches, maybe it was just my comp or it has to do with tournament mode...? like, when sYn was aliens in caged at the sewers hive, their hive appeared see-through and white. and when sYn was alien in eclipse at the computer core hive it looked like the maintenance hive was building when we were looking at the marine building the resource tower there.
Probably just poor demo recording & playback. Half-Life & mods are notorious for that.
Day of Defeat demos are just as bad - if they work at all the first 5 minutes of gameplay you could be looking at the models of the opposite teama nd whatnot...it's disgusting.
Starsiege: Tribes has teh best demo recording and playback...ever.
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Bias? I think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
we also beat them on their server with them having about a 30 ping average, we also practiced on euro 1.03 servers, they could have done the same thing that we did.
when you try to make an excuse, make it worth reading, otherwise you just look like a chump
As for the BY servers being decent, errrr they're over-loaded and frankly the pings are nothing special, AND they put a password on yet are STILL full of newbs.
BlueGhost<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BY servers are terrible. Old shoeboxes held together with duct tape. Ping goes up to triple digits whenever the game gets complicated. Nice players tho - my personal theory is that they'v elearned INSPITE of BY's terrible performance.
Bias? I think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
we also beat them on their server with them having about a 30 ping average, we also practiced on euro 1.03 servers, they could have done the same thing that we did.
when you try to make an excuse, make it worth reading, otherwise you just look like a chump<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1.04 servers are in beta...they are not commonly available. You must have tried the tactics on 1.03 servers in the us pinging normal loads of times and learnt the tactics with a decent ping...try playing a new version on the other side of the atlantic with a higher ping and its quite harder to adjust...the amount of 1.04 beta servers are relatively low at the moment, compared to 1.03...the game should have been straight 1.03, the common norm that all the players are used to...think about it...
But, saying that...NG were just as stupid as to not complain about playing on a 1.04 server, syn had an obvious advantage with knowledge of 1.04...pity NG didnt complain.
i'm not talking to the NG folk i'm talking to the other people that try to make our victory seem less than what it is,
NG are skilled individuals, you guys dont need to make excuses.
it was not so much the lerk, it was the lerk/skulk combo, my objective as the lerk was to either
A)spike the down the JPer
B)spike the JPer enough so that he would have to land for health, and let our skulks time his landing and attack.
If he does not land, he keeps getting spiked, if he does land, he runs the risk of getting chomped by a skulk.
Prove me wrong.
good new's we have Match against sYn .. on saturnday 25.1.2003
good new's we have Match against sYn .. on saturnday 25.1.2003<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
someone demo that? i'd really like to see it.
Why do you call this game America VS Europe? NG.SE is in no way representative of the European NS community!
We only have Swedish players, so at most you could have called it USA VS Sweden, but that would be wrong to.
Also makes all Europan NS clans look like noobs, considering how badly we lost the 1.04 game.
I hope one of the moderators remove this topic, because it's here for all the wrong reasons.
I do think it was unfair that NG hasn't played v1.04 though, and that's definitely something to take in consideration. Of course, sYn probably hasn't played v1.03 for quite some time, but that's less of a disadvantage. As balance changes are always in the works, I don't know what to do about this unfairness. I could remove all the clans from the beta server group, or I could add them all (neither sounds like a good idea to me). I might be able to have some releases only address bugs and others only affect balance, and have the balance betas be publically available, but that's a big pain for me (not to mention, the fixing of some bugs DOES affect balance).
Whatever the final outcome, keep in mind that all clans will have plenty of time to play on the current version before any real competition.
Also I do think aliens should get to choose their first hive location in matches....but more on that, and a bunch of other things, in my next balance writeup. Keep watchin www.shambler.net <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also yah i think the 1.04 scrim wasn't the fairest scrim i've ever seen, but the 1.03 one was solid.
Day of Defeat demos are just as bad - if they work at all the first 5 minutes of gameplay you could be looking at the models of the opposite teama nd whatnot...it's disgusting.
Starsiege: Tribes has teh best demo recording and playback...ever.