Results Of The Euro-american Scrim

Eats · January 2003

I figured this should go here since defcon went off on how us noobs in america can't play ns for anything and all rip off the euro league clanbase(which we heard of for the first time less then a week ago)

I'm not trying to start a flame war I just think its only fair to show the results of the match here since basically a euro came here and called us out.

The demos of the scrim with some details are here: www.shambler.net

Anyway sYn(American clan) beat NG(European clan, #1 in clanbase) in a well played match by both sides. I'm not here to do anything but deliver the results. To say either the euro clans suck or the american clans suck would be a lie. They are both good and neither of them are ripping off each other's strats. I think these cross country scrims are really cool and we should do more in the future.

Addendum: The euro who called us out is in neither NG nor DW(#2 clan in clanbase). In fact I don't think he's in a competing clan at all right now.

AcKz · January 2003

GG NG. Straight up good old NS game. Hope to continue playing scrims with you in the near future and hopefully someday we can meet up at a CPL <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

FatKao · January 2003

I would just like to clarify that niether DW or NG said anything negative about american NS. DW has been great to talk to so far, and NG were great sports during the match. I look forward to more scrims with European clans.

Defcon · January 2003

silent bunny hopping on the sYn side, tut tut <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Firewater · January 2003

It was a well played game i had a lot of fun,

GG NG we will rematch sometime.

rebo · January 2003

Great stuff. btw ignore Defcon 99% of euro NS does. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

AcKz · January 2003

I think we all know to ignore defcon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Firewater · January 2003

yeah i hope Defcon has 0 credibility, so maybe he'll disappear or be quiet or something.

Firewater · January 2003

Flayra what did you think of the demo, I thought u were supposed to spec <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'>

Defcon · January 2003

tbh, the tactics NG used against you was what i'd expect from the lower clans on the ladder. Half the time they sat in base with the odd 1 man leaving to be quickly annihilated.

Hopefully DW will realise NG's obvious mistakes as marine and perform a little better.

BTW it's certainly amusing how sYn's attitude changes from IRC to the forums...
I guess you have time to think what you say. But then I guess you don't like it when I insult those 20 constant whining kids in your channel spouting crap at me, aye?

As for you rebo, just because log is next to useless in the NS and TFC world doesn't mean you have to keep spouting bs. Sure I like NS, but I don't like newbies that don't attempt to learn, and just end up making a mess of the game.

As a matter of fact, I do have credibility in the 'europe' ns scene, the fact 2 blueyonder admins (admins of those semi-decent UK servers) are highly considering joining my clan, along with a warserver admin, you can't say much, log are hardly the respectable tfc clan *cough*

coil · January 2003

Play nice, guys. I didn't like the looks of this thread when I first saw it - saying "I'm not trying to start a flame war" is like saying "no offense"... if you have to say "no offense," then chances are the person you're talking to will take offense.

Regardless, the post is here... so let's not make personal attacks, eh? Comments on the match are fine, and I hope that was Eats' intention by posting the results. It's only a game, so let's keep it at that.

aegix · January 2003

Is it just me or is the link to the demo broken?

Edit: Never mind I tried again 10 minutes later and its working fine.

Defcon · January 2003

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Try

<a href='http://www.blindfury.co.uk/defcon/synvsng.zip' target='_blank'>http://www.blindfury.co.uk/defcon/synvsng.zip</a>

rebo · January 2003

From watching the demos the quality of sYn 's rushes really set them apart. They had great co-ordination as a group (apart from a lil hicup with a welder) but apart from that it just shows how a decent rush can hamstring an alien side. well played.

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BTW it's certainly amusing how sYn's attitude changes from IRC to the forums...
I guess you have time to think what you say. But then I guess you don't like it when I insult those 20 constant whining kids in your channel spouting crap at me, aye?

As for you rebo, just because log is next to useless in the NS and TFC world doesn't mean you have to keep spouting bs. Sure I like NS, but I don't like newbies that don't attempt to learn, and just end up making a mess of the game.

As a matter of fact, I do have credibility in the 'europe' ns scene, the fact 2 blueyonder admins (admins of those semi-decent UK servers) are highly considering joining my clan, along with a warserver admin, you can't say much, log are hardly the respectable tfc clan *cough*
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Keep the hate comming man, lets see the real Defcon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'>

Not that I feel the need to justify my clan to you or anyone, I would harldy consider a clan that has achieved UKTFCL Season10 div 1 undefeated champs UKTFCL Season7 div2 undefeated champs WPTFCL season7 div 2 champs and UKTFCLCUP Season 10 Semi-Finalists as next to useless.<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> We play (both NS and TFC) for fun, challange, and mutual respect for our opponents and we are happy with that.

Defcon · January 2003

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LOL <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'>

rebo · January 2003

One thing springs to mind, I feel sYn did get an unfair advantage over NG on ns_ecilpse considering they started in Comp Core, Thats a great hive to start in and is much easier to defend than say ecilpse hive. I do think either aliens should play same hive each round or aliens should be able to chose where they start. Otherwise its simply not fair.

Necro · January 2003

funny, cause ng.se beat the best european clan by using cheats, namy the jetpack and r_drawview. but syn knew about this and had it blocked on their server <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

rebo · January 2003

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funny, cause ng.se beat the best european clan by using cheats, namy the jetpack and r_drawview. but syn knew about this and had it blocked on their server
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Sorry what is the Jetpack cheat? Im aware of the fps bug, but use of the JP is hardly a cheat?

Fantasmo · January 2003

If you ask me the Demos were pretty one-sided and kind of frustrating to watch sometimes.

NG players demonstrated great <i>individual</i> skills, they were great shots and good evasive bunny hoppers.

But damn it was frustrating to keep watching NG split off and go on their own with no apparent plan. Even when they did work together it was kind of half-assed (ie. Sewer Hive Rush). They showed better teamplay as aliens then as marines but overall they didn't seem to be displaying any real teamwork or team strategy at all.

By the last match sYn was playing with NG. *LoL* There is no alien strategy that I know of that requires >6 Resource Towers before the 2nd Hive.

EDiT: Just wanted to add the standard disclaimer. A clan is better then another clan becuase of skill and teamwork, not nationality. sYn outplayed NG because they had superior teamplay and tactics, not because they are North American.

rebo · January 2003

Another thought i have is that of the future of the lerk. sYn demonstrated that it was possible to use a 1 hive lerk effectively to combat the JPers tho this was in 1.04 and the lerks were not 'that' effective. i.e. a concentrated rush rather than one or two marines would of decimated the hive. Maybe lerks spikes could rupture the jetpacks fuel load or push the marine away thru space. This would make them more effective anti JP aliens.

Defcon · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Jan 23 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Another thought i have is that of the future of the lerk. sYn demonstrated that it was possible to use a 1 hive lerk effectively to combat the JPers tho this was in 1.04 and the lerks were not 'that' effective. i.e. a concentrated rush rather than one or two marines would of decimated the hive. Maybe lerks spikes could rupture the jetpacks fuel load or push the marine away thru space. This would make them more effective anti JP aliens.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Agreed, well flayra has to do something about them anyway.

FatKao · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Jan 23 2003, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>One thing springs to mind, I feel sYn did get an unfair advantage over NG on ns_ecilpse considering they started in Comp Core, Thats a great hive to start in and is much easier to defend than say ecilpse hive. I do think either aliens should play same hive each round or aliens should be able to chose where they start. Otherwise its simply not fair.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Actually we've heard of NG's skill with the jp so comp core wasen't too favorable since it's pretty easy to kill with jps compared to maintnance or eclipse.

AcKz · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Jan 23 2003, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>From watching the demos the quality of sYn 's rushes really set them apart. They had great co-ordination as a group (apart from a lil hicup with a welder) but apart from that it just shows how a decent rush can hamstring an alien side. well played.

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lol, you cant shoot through the grate..wtf

AcKz · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Jan 23 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Another thought i have is that of the future of the lerk. sYn demonstrated that it was possible to use a 1 hive lerk effectively to combat the JPers tho this was in 1.04 and the lerks were not 'that' effective. i.e. a concentrated rush rather than one or two marines would of decimated the hive. Maybe lerks spikes could rupture the jetpacks fuel load or push the marine away thru space. This would make them more effective anti JP aliens.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
We used lerks on caged, which was 1.03

AcKz · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Jan 23 2003, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>One thing springs to mind, I feel sYn did get an unfair advantage over NG on ns_ecilpse considering they started in Comp Core, Thats a great hive to start in and is much easier to defend than say ecilpse hive. I do think either aliens should play same hive each round or aliens should be able to chose where they start. Otherwise its simply not fair.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Umm.. Vent hive on caged is pretty much the best hive you could ever ask for in NS, and NG had it.. stop making excuses.

BlueGhost · January 2003

Hehe, I've called Americans newbs. Its simple, the average American server and average UK server is full of newbs, when I randomly go to a US server chances are it IS full of newbs.

As apposed to say when I go to my favourite UK server at a specific time happy in the knowledge it won't be full of newbs.

As for the BY servers being decent, errrr they're over-loaded and frankly the pings are nothing special, AND they put a password on yet are STILL full of newbs.

BlueGhost

Nemesis_Zero · January 2003

Oh god, this is sad. American clans suck? European clans suck?
[sarcasm]Brothers, sisters, come together! Can't we once join hands and realize that they <i>all</i> suck?[/sarcasm]

Corrado · January 2003

Just pointed out something that i found curious...one of the games was played on a 1.04i server...well, correct me if i'm wrong, there's only 2 1.04 servers in europe, and they are very poorly run...so NG will have had a lot less experiance with the patch than syn, who will most likely have had loads...

Bias? I think so.

rebo · January 2003

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stop making excuses.
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Explain to me how i'm making excuses? I have no need to make excuse I am biased neither to a NA clan or Euro clan. I commended your clan on great play, you won due to superior tactics great aim and good co-ordination. I was meerly saying scrims cannot be 100% even until either aliens start in same hive or aliens choose which hive they start in.

Evildwarf · January 2003

Im not trying to make any excuses for our loss, sYn played great but on the 1.04 server I really felt like a noob. NG has only played 1.03 games and the rushing tactics on the 1.04 are totally unknown to us. On the 1.03 server we really played like crap, im really surprised by our lousy teamplay at the middle and end of the round when we played marines. The general strat misstakes we did as marines are also pretty frustrating. The game was good in many many ways as it will help us review our tactics when fashing really good rushers. As Marines I "forgot" to place a Phasegate at the frontline and somhow we managed to loose all the 5 RT's we claimed at the early game. When playing Khaara some much needed OCs was ignored and the Lerk morphs would would have helped much during the HMG/Jetpack rush was also non-existant. It's the game on the 1.03 server that thought us most I must say, if we had played our cards better we would have had a fair chance of winning. GG sYn, you deserved to win, your time play was much more stable and the tactics more refined.

The "War on America article" was totally out of bounds though, it's the kind of crappy articles you see in todays newspappers. Writing an article based on one European players perspective is just stupid, then calling it the "general European NS players perspective" is even more dumb. This only meaning I could find in this article was "American NS players rule and European suck, since sYn beat NG this has been confirmed. You suck guys, **** Europe". If a person claims to be writing articles for a serious fansite he should remain serious in his writing aswell. Write something worthwhile instead of junk that will only entertain peoples lust for petty disputes.

coil · January 2003

On a lighter note, a careful investigation has revealed that Canada does, indeed, pwn the US. Evidence below.

(by the way, I'm American. I just have a sense of humor. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'> )