Oc Targetting

PATRichcPATRichc Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12469Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Snap-firing?</div> A few times recently, I've noticed something strange about the way OC's target marines.

On ns_nothing, a small OC farm was built around the res chamber at the back of the Silo hive (just in front of the Quad Lift). While I stood there as a Fade, waiting for the Def towers to repair my armour, a Marine appeared in the opening of the vent up high to the left of the Quad Lift entrance. The OC's opened fire, but strangely, they all fired their first volley at the Quad Lift, i.e. straight forwards.

So, I turned my acid rockets on him, and saw the OC's finish him off as he remained within the vent.

It's as if marines had come down the quadlift previously, so the OC's were still "aiming" at the Quadlift, even though to me it seems like they should be able to fire in any direction without having to 'aim' like marine turrets.

Also, it seems strange that the OC's fired before they were aiming at the marine. There was no marines in the Quadlift that could have triggered the first volley, as I and another Fade at the top checked.

Any thoughts? Ideas? Is this a bug perhaps?

Comments

  • Dead_DragonDead_Dragon Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10972Members
    I've seen something like this before as I was charging towards a couple of OCs to jump over them.

    The first shot from each went the opposite way down the corridor (away from me).

    Maybe they remember where they lost sight of their last target or something. So when they pick up a new target, they begin firing before they are 'locked on'.
  • PATRichcPATRichc Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12469Members
    It's kinda annoying from a defensive point of view, as a crafty marine could leap a wall of OC's like they weren't even there, thus defeating their intended slowing-of-progress purpose in routes to hives
  • Ben128Ben128 Join Date: 2002-06-21 Member: 808Members, Constellation
    That is true. Offensive chambers are supposed to be quite a bit different from turrets. But I would like them to be a bit more effective. Then again...they are a nice obstacle. Yes, they do miss alot, but when they hit..its a lot of damage. So its a decent trade off. That does seem odd how they lock onto their last target.
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    offensive towers use missbots
  • Teufel_EldritchTeufel_Eldritch Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 124Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--={PAT}=Rich]c[+Jan 23 2003, 05:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (={PAT}=Rich]c[ @ Jan 23 2003, 05:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's kinda annoying from a defensive point of view, as a crafty marine could leap a wall of OC's like they weren't even there, thus defeating their intended slowing-of-progress purpose in routes to hives<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I never have a prob with Marines jumping over my wol's. That is if I have finished building them. If Im in the process of building a wol then yea Marines will sometimes jump over it. Do you stack your oc's? Do you place 2 or 3 more oc's a bit behind the wol so just in case a Marine does manage to get over it he still gets killed?
  • PATRichcPATRichc Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12469Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Teufel Eldritch+Jan 23 2003, 08:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teufel Eldritch @ Jan 23 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--={PAT}=Rich]c[+Jan 23 2003, 05:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (={PAT}=Rich]c[ @ Jan 23 2003, 05:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's kinda annoying from a defensive point of view, as a crafty marine could leap a wall of OC's like they weren't even there, thus defeating their intended slowing-of-progress purpose in routes to hives<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I never have a prob with Marines jumping over my wol's. That is if I have finished building them. If Im in the process of building a wol then yea Marines will sometimes jump over it. Do you stack your oc's? Do you place 2 or 3 more oc's a bit behind the wol so just in case a Marine does manage to get over it he still gets killed?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, I usually stack my wol's. One thing about stacking though, if you put a OC on top of another OC, does it make the lower OC unable to fire? I've never really looked into it, as what I tend to do is build the 2nd level OCs atop the DCs behind the 1st level OCs

    As for building a few OCs behind the wall, good idea that Teufel Eldritch, and good to see a familiar face from FA here too <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • OWAOWA Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11322Members
    Generally stacking OCs is safe so long as you dont' stack them forward. if your OCs are stacked with the top rack being ahead of the bottom rack, the bottom rack will be unable to fire. Behind or roughly centered seems fine.
  • Jett-OMEGAJett-OMEGA Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7534Members
    I never build WoL. I always stagger my OC's. So far it so much more effective and more time consuming for them rines to take them out. I also find it very effective for jetpackers. I base it on the old saying "running the guantlet".
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    rather than staggering my OCs, or just building one WOL, I usually just build two slightly smaller WOLs, I just find it works better.

    O yeah, and when I do stack, and when I have extra resources to blow, I try to put one or two sensories on top of teh stack, that way, when a JPer comes in real low, he gats parasited. Finally, a use for sensories besides to get cloaking.
  • CabalCabal Join Date: 2003-01-24 Member: 12669Members, Constellation
    Could it be that OC's actually have a turret of some sort that you cant see physically ... ie it spins around looking for a target and then when a marine approaches it, it goes to fire but its pointed in the wrong direction...

    I'm thinking either this is the case or OC's really cant track fast moving targets well, since you can circle strafe and kill them with a welder and not get hit.
  • DaStompaDaStompa Join Date: 2003-01-22 Member: 12591Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jan 24 2003, 01:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jan 24 2003, 01:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->rather than staggering my OCs, or just building one WOL, I usually just build two slightly smaller WOLs, I just find it works better.

    O yeah, and when I do stack, and when I have extra resources to blow, I try to put one or two sensories on top of teh stack, that way, when a JPer comes in real low, he gats parasited. Finally, a use for sensories besides to get cloaking.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They also make cheap elevator blockers, stack them on top of D chambers for a little bit of shielding, stack them around res towers, make a few to hide behind, they have alot of uses, most of witch is only because they aren't O or D chambers so you can go crazy with them ;-)
  • UrzaUrza Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11514Members
    oc + web = certain death
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DaStompa+Jan 24 2003, 04:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DaStompa @ Jan 24 2003, 04:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jan 24 2003, 01:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jan 24 2003, 01:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->rather than staggering my OCs, or just building one WOL, I usually just build two slightly smaller WOLs, I just find it works better.

    O yeah, and when I do stack, and when I have extra resources to blow, I try to put one or two sensories on top of teh stack, that way, when a JPer comes in real low, he gats parasited. Finally, a use for sensories besides to get cloaking.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They also make cheap elevator blockers, stack them on top of D chambers for a little bit of shielding, stack them around res towers, make a few to hide behind, they have alot of uses, most of witch is only because they aren't O or D chambers so you can go crazy with them ;-)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They should make an actual chamber for that purpose! The blocking chamber. It'll just be a really big chamber, that you put in front of stuff to defend it, or in front of yourself during a firefight in order to recouperate. That would be so great...
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