Calarand77lurking in general forumsJoin Date: 2016-01-22Member: 211786Members
Hey, come on. Someone's new and obviously enthusiastic, why ban them for it... it was ages ago but I remember being just like that on the very first forum I registered to.
Factory. Depends on the product being run. Sometimes you don't even get a chance to sip your water that's right there. Other times you've got 20 minutes between rolls. :shrug: Usually it's somewhere in between.
Kaspersky Antivirus... *tsk tsk* You should be using AVG instead. But... it is Windows XP after all, so it's not like there's much of a risk of infection with such an outdated OS.
On the plus side, hey I'm in that screenshot! So that explains why I got a notification last night for that thread I made... I was surprised when it got a reply from out of nowhere after over a month.
Kaspersky Antivirus... *tsk tsk* You should be using AVG instead. But... it is Windows XP after all, so it's not like there's much of a risk of infection with such an outdated OS.
On the plus side, hey I'm in that screenshot! So that explains why I got a notification last night for that thread I made... I was surprised when it got a reply from out of nowhere after over a month.
(Side note; that's at work, no I don't use Windows XP, except maybe rarely, certainly not for browsing the web.)
I'm not IT there or things would be much different. (We don't have IT, we have to call in a contractor or something.) Also, XP isn't that old yet, and is still a very lucrative target (stingy banks don't want to pay to upgrade their computers... juicy banks. Share with Smeagol!)
Kaspersky Antivirus... *tsk tsk* You should be using AVG instead. But... it is Windows XP after all, so it's not like there's much of a risk of infection with such an outdated OS.
On the plus side, hey I'm in that screenshot! So that explains why I got a notification last night for that thread I made... I was surprised when it got a reply from out of nowhere after over a month.
(Side note; that's at work, no I don't use Windows XP, except maybe rarely, certainly not for browsing the web.)
I'm not IT there or things would be much different. (We don't have IT, we have to call in a contractor or something.) Also, XP isn't that old yet, and is still a very lucrative target (stingy banks don't want to pay to upgrade their computers... juicy banks. Share with Smeagol!)
Well, I do agree with you mostly there - older software isn't necessarily worse, especially some classic games that aren't available otherwise these days (hurray for DOSBox!) But as a computer tech guy, I must politely disagree about:
Windows XP was released in 2002, and the support for it ended three years ago. Now don't get me wrong, it's still a very solid OS and many businesses and institutions still use it because it was one of best platforms ever released by Microsoft. But dear lord, banks and businesses! You control vast amounts of customer information and financial accounts - why are you still running Windows XP?!
Some commercial deployments of WinXP could have separate MicroSoft support contracts. And if they're connected to the Internet (even through a good hardware firewall), they'd better.
And here's an interesting tidbit: at the start of 2017 April, commercial deployment of WinXP was still greater than Win10.
Some embedded versions of WinXP have support to 2019 Jan 8. And there's this interesting quote from the Windows XP Wikipedia page.
Despite the end of support for Windows XP, Microsoft has released two emergency security patches for the operating system to address major security exploits. The first, in May 2014, patched a recently-discovered vulnerability in Internet Explorer on all versions of Windows.[147][148] Microsoft released a second out-of-band patch for Windows XP on May 13, 2017, which patched a vulnerability that was being exploited by the major ransomware trojan WannaCry.[149]
Pretty sure last job I used a computer at was running '98 so XP looks pretty new and shiny far as workplaces go. They have different needs than home computers and so this is fairly typical if you ask me.
@Jacke Yeah, there's no denying how popular Windows XP has been to the world at large. It's ease-of-use and adaptability has made it so popular, that many individuals, companies and even countries practically refuse to give it up. China loves it so much, that they publicly decried Microsoft's announcement to end service on it, and it remains the #1 pirated software in China. I feel that's likely why there a large percentage of more Windows XP users than other Windows OS users: after years of fighting it, Microsoft is finally putting the matter to rest by giving every user in China a free upgrade to Windows 10, so that that XP will finally fade away. (Though not likely, it seems)
It's not that it's a bad OS, but as time passes and technology improves, you can't keep supporting older software indefinitely. Internet Explorer 9, Firefox 45 and Chrome 50 ended support for Windows XP and won't run on them if kept updated. Not to mention dozens of compatibility issues abound, trying to make everything work with an OS that its own makers aren't even keeping up.
But to put into perspective, the first update that Microsoft pushed out on May 2014 beyond their end-of-life windows was mostly because so many people refused to give up Windows XP in the first place. They didn't want to put people out by 'forcing' them to upgrade (and most likely because they didnt want to deal with the PR nightmare of so many people attacked by malicious users...) I have to admit though, I was moderately surprised to see an update for WinXP go out yesterday, I just feel so bad for people bombarded by ransomware exploiting a security issue on an outdated operating system...
There is something ironic about the history museum I interned at being more up-to-date in its hardware than businesses and banks.
80% of the world's banking code still runs on COBOL, and no one bothers to update it because it would be a waste of money. When a bunch of banks were Y2K proofing their buisnesses, they had to get a bunch of crusty old guys to do it, because they were te only ones who knew anything about the code. Those crusty old guys got STUPID RICH from this.
(Incredibly (UN)Reliable Source: Some episode of the yogscast's "triforce!" podcast. Go watch it. It is hilarious.)
Also, I used XP for 1/2 of my life. It worked fine, and I'm not complaining. I mean, you could run minecraft, so...
Kaspersky Antivirus... *tsk tsk* You should be using AVG instead. But... it is Windows XP after all, so it's not like there's much of a risk of infection with such an outdated OS.
On the plus side, hey I'm in that screenshot! So that explains why I got a notification last night for that thread I made... I was surprised when it got a reply from out of nowhere after over a month.
(Side note; that's at work, no I don't use Windows XP, except maybe rarely, certainly not for browsing the web.)
I'm not IT there or things would be much different. (We don't have IT, we have to call in a contractor or something.) Also, XP isn't that old yet, and is still a very lucrative target (stingy banks don't want to pay to upgrade their computers... juicy banks. Share with Smeagol!)
Well, I do agree with you mostly there - older software isn't necessarily worse, especially some classic games that aren't available otherwise these days (hurray for DOSBox!) But as a computer tech guy, I must politely disagree about:
Windows XP was released in 2002, and the support for it ended three years ago. Now don't get me wrong, it's still a very solid OS and many businesses and institutions still use it because it was one of best platforms ever released by Microsoft. But dear lord, banks and businesses! You control vast amounts of customer information and financial accounts - why are you still running Windows XP?!
Technically, XP SP3 (Service Packs are, or were, major updates to the OS, remember) release date was April 21, 2008, but I agree with you about businesses being retarded by still using it.
However, my point wasn't to say "Hey, XP isn't that old, why not use it!" -- It was more to say that XP isn't considered old enough in the malware scene to be considered not a target; quite the opposite. Why? Because it's still in use, even when it shouldn't be.
The hospital I work at started using Win 7 about a year ago, but just upgraded their Ie from 9 to the current version.
They tell us that we're going to get Win 10 by early next year, but they also said that a year ago and are just now planning to upgrade their Pt. Info system which is about 17 years old now.
There is something ironic about the history museum I interned at being more up-to-date in its hardware than businesses and banks.
Because museums are smaller organizations with smaller computer infrastructure with respect to their budgets. They can better afford to upgrade and the transition is a much simpler project.
80% of the world's banking code still runs on COBOL, and no one bothers to update it because it would be a waste of money. When a bunch of banks were Y2K proofing their buisnesses, they had to get a bunch of crusty old guys to do it, because they were te only ones who knew anything about the code. Those crusty old guys got STUPID RICH from this.
Programming languages will always have a longer if not the longest lifetime of any computerization. The specification describes what the code means and does. That gets turned into compilers and runtimes that implement the specification. That's what gets upgraded and has been many times and will continue to be upgraded.
I love how this topic went from a discussion about an overenthusiastic new user to a discussion about Windows XP.
Gotta love forums.
That's what happens in normal conversation all the time.
This is sorta supposed to be about one subject. And now we're moving to talk about conversations... In the end we'll be talking about cats. Because that's where internet conversations always seem to go.
I love how this topic went from a discussion about an overenthusiastic new user to a discussion about Windows XP.
Gotta love forums.
That's what happens in normal conversation all the time.
This is sorta supposed to be about one subject. And now we're moving to talk about conversations... In the end we'll be talking about cats. Because that's where internet conversations always seem to go.
If you want me to start a new topic and link to it every time the conversation drifts, I'm game.
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Well TBH... Those spambots we had come visit lately, they would also get this achievement
Seems you have lots of time for 'other' things.
Factory. Depends on the product being run. Sometimes you don't even get a chance to sip your water that's right there. Other times you've got 20 minutes between rolls. :shrug: Usually it's somewhere in between.
On the plus side, hey I'm in that screenshot!
I'm not IT there or things would be much different. (We don't have IT, we have to call in a contractor or something.) Also, XP isn't that old yet, and is still a very lucrative target (stingy banks don't want to pay to upgrade their computers... juicy banks. Share with Smeagol!)
Well, I do agree with you mostly there - older software isn't necessarily worse, especially some classic games that aren't available otherwise these days (hurray for DOSBox!)
Windows XP was released in 2002, and the support for it ended three years ago. Now don't get me wrong, it's still a very solid OS and many businesses and institutions still use it because it was one of best platforms ever released by Microsoft.
And here's an interesting tidbit: at the start of 2017 April, commercial deployment of WinXP was still greater than Win10.
https://betanews.com/2017/04/03/windows-xp-more-popular-windows-xp-business/
Some embedded versions of WinXP have support to 2019 Jan 8. And there's this interesting quote from the Windows XP Wikipedia page.
An MS patch for Windows XP released yesterday.
Here's the link in Note 149.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/13/15635006/microsoft-windows-xp-security-patch-wannacry-ransomware-attack
It's not that it's a bad OS, but as time passes and technology improves, you can't keep supporting older software indefinitely. Internet Explorer 9, Firefox 45 and Chrome 50 ended support for Windows XP and won't run on them if kept updated. Not to mention dozens of compatibility issues abound, trying to make everything work with an OS that its own makers aren't even keeping up.
But to put into perspective, the first update that Microsoft pushed out on May 2014 beyond their end-of-life windows was mostly because so many people refused to give up Windows XP in the first place. They didn't want to put people out by 'forcing' them to upgrade (and most likely because they didnt want to deal with the PR nightmare of so many people attacked by malicious users...)
80% of the world's banking code still runs on COBOL, and no one bothers to update it because it would be a waste of money. When a bunch of banks were Y2K proofing their buisnesses, they had to get a bunch of crusty old guys to do it, because they were te only ones who knew anything about the code. Those crusty old guys got STUPID RICH from this.
(Incredibly (UN)Reliable Source: Some episode of the yogscast's "triforce!" podcast. Go watch it. It is hilarious.)
Also, I used XP for 1/2 of my life. It worked fine, and I'm not complaining. I mean, you could run minecraft, so...
Technically, XP SP3 (Service Packs are, or were, major updates to the OS, remember) release date was April 21, 2008, but I agree with you about businesses being retarded by still using it.
However, my point wasn't to say "Hey, XP isn't that old, why not use it!" -- It was more to say that XP isn't considered old enough in the malware scene to be considered not a target; quite the opposite. Why? Because it's still in use, even when it shouldn't be.
They tell us that we're going to get Win 10 by early next year, but they also said that a year ago and are just now planning to upgrade their Pt. Info system which is about 17 years old now.
Programming languages will always have a longer if not the longest lifetime of any computerization. The specification describes what the code means and does. That gets turned into compilers and runtimes that implement the specification. That's what gets upgraded and has been many times and will continue to be upgraded.
Press this button on your keyboard to find out.
I've followed the conversation, so I know WHY. My comment was a rhetorical question to point out that we've moved away from the subject
Gotta love forums.
That's what happens in normal conversation all the time.
This is sorta supposed to be about one subject. And now we're moving to talk about conversations... In the end we'll be talking about cats. Because that's where internet conversations always seem to go.
If you want me to start a new topic and link to it every time the conversation drifts, I'm game.