Update 314 Now Live on Steam! - Natural Selection 2

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  • KalabalanaKalabalana Join Date: 2003-11-14 Member: 22859Members Posts: 1,049 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    So you guys are aware you screwed up the newcomer tournament badges with your fix to newcomer badges in this update?
    I didn't see any note of this, but thought I'd wait

    Edit: I was wrong, it was the server I was on for that period of time
    Post edited by Kalabalana on
  • 2cough2cough Rocky Mountain High Join Date: 2013-03-14 Member: 183952Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter Posts: 1,024 Advanced user
    Kalabalana wrote: »
    are you guys aware that the the newcomer tournament badges are now screwed up with the fix to newcomer badges in this update?
    I didn't see any note of this, but thought I'd wait

    ftfy ;)
  • KeatsKeats United States Join Date: 2014-11-04 Member: 199413Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 154 Advanced user
    Handschuh wrote: »
    Autopickup feels really bad right now.
    Thanks for the detailed report. UWE already knows about this, and the fix is ready to go for the next update.
    PM sent.
  • NotPaLaGiNotPaLaGi Join Date: 2014-05-29 Member: 196291Members Posts: 103 Advanced user
    Glad autopickup problem are being addressed. Holy crap they are frustrating right now!
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Squad Five Gold, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold, Subnautica Playtester Posts: 966 admin
    Autopickup bug is fixed via Omega extension and will be in B315, apologies for the frustration folks!
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  • RevanCoranaRevanCorana Join Date: 2015-08-14 Member: 207125Members Posts: 571 Advanced user
    The amount of smurfs went through the roof recently, it's really a big problem. People dont want to improve they want to have the illusion they improve even if the illusion ruins the fun of others, it's fucking pathetic.
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  • EbichuEbichu Japan Join Date: 2014-12-09 Member: 199999Members Posts: 14 Fully active user
    I think lobby must be a a server with only waiting room. Where people can have live microphone chat. They can decide to seed certain empty server together.

  • RammlerRammler Join Date: 2013-06-18 Member: 185607Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 191 Advanced user
    i am curious when they release the 64bit update. i thought they would do with build 314.......
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  • Sany_CZSany_CZ Join Date: 2017-03-11 Member: 228851Members Posts: 1
    This new "Play Now" update really f*ck my favorite servers. They are now full of players that cannot kill anybody in 30 minutes. Not only inexperienced, but just annoying. They do not build and just walk and do nothing. It made the game impossible to play, as one side got about 30% of these. It is no longer balanced. You can see who will win in first 4 minutes. At this point, it is so frustrating, that I cannot enjoy it any more.
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  • _INTER__INTER_ Join Date: 2009-08-08 Member: 68392Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 822 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    Added the “All” tab back to the Server Browser and introduced a new server ranking system for the default sorting
    Buuuuuuhhhhh, that bullsh*t ns2large-server-who-also-a-name-of-some-derp at the top again when sorting for player count. Noone cares for some broken (!) default sorting. Remove that All tab asap!
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  • RevanCoranaRevanCorana Join Date: 2015-08-14 Member: 207125Members Posts: 571 Advanced user
    do somethin about the smurfs. pleeeaaaaaase
  • MoFo1MoFo1 United States Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Members Posts: 701 Advanced user
    Yeah they fubar'd the browser.

    Now I have to click favorites every time I open it. Even better it puts EU servers at the top of the list every time.

    Having a 250+ ping EU server show to a west coast US player as #1 in the list is just plain broken no matter how you look at it.
  • measlesmeasles Join Date: 2007-02-26 Member: 60122Members, Constellation Posts: 398 Advanced user
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 4,213 Advanced user
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Yeah they fubar'd the browser.

    Now I have to click favorites every time I open it. Even better it puts EU servers at the top of the list every time.

    Having a 250+ ping EU server show to a west coast US player as #1 in the list is just plain broken no matter how you look at it.

    That shouldn't happen. Ping is the primary ranking factor among servers with players. Screenshot?
  • MoFo1MoFo1 United States Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Members Posts: 701 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    moultano wrote: »
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Yeah they fubar'd the browser.

    Now I have to click favorites every time I open it. Even better it puts EU servers at the top of the list every time.

    Having a 250+ ping EU server show to a west coast US player as #1 in the list is just plain broken no matter how you look at it.

    That shouldn't happen. Ping is the primary ranking factor among servers with players. Screenshot?

    Well it does. Open game, click server browser, and this is what I get.
    hbu8r3rnuq54.jpg

    So two EU servers and a siege server, listed above favorited servers, for a west coast US player who hates siege mode...

    *slow clap






    Even in adding back the "all" tab I don't understand why you guys felt the need to tweak with how servers are sorted? It was working fine before.

    Though if you'll also notice those worthless ping bars make it look like the US servers are equal in ping to the EU servers, which they are not. So there's another prime example of a bad change that made things worse.

    40-100ms in US vs 180-250+ in EU = Both appear the same with ping bars.

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  • dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue Posts: 1,351 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    Since 314 the game is not saving some options wich are stored in ..\steam\userdata directory anymore.
    Even if i write protect the options.xml i have a new options.xml.stmp and all my key bindings and NS2+ settings are lost.

    I have to setup all these options again after every PC reboot. Its kinda annoying.
    Deleting the 4920 Folder didnt helped to solve the issue.
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 4,213 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    moultano wrote: »
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Yeah they fubar'd the browser.

    Now I have to click favorites every time I open it. Even better it puts EU servers at the top of the list every time.

    Having a 250+ ping EU server show to a west coast US player as #1 in the list is just plain broken no matter how you look at it.

    That shouldn't happen. Ping is the primary ranking factor among servers with players. Screenshot?

    Well it does. Open game, click server browser, and this is what I get.
    hbu8r3rnuq54.jpg

    So two EU servers and a siege server, listed above favorited servers, for a west coast US player who hates siege mode...

    *slow clap






    Even in adding back the "all" tab I don't understand why you guys felt the need to tweak with how servers are sorted? It was working fine before.

    Though if you'll also notice those worthless ping bars make it look like the US servers are equal in ping to the EU servers, which they are not. So there's another prime example of a bad change that made things worse.

    40-100ms in US vs 180-250+ in EU = Both appear the same with ping bars.

    Is there something flaky about your internet? It looks like the server browser thinks all of those servers have the same terrible ping. Since the ping looks equally terrible, it's sorting the populated servers on top. (That's what it would have done before this change too.)

    It seems like people pretty consistently want favorites to be a bigger factor, so we can change that.
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts Posts: 2,819 admin
    edited March 2017
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    moultano wrote: »
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    Yeah they fubar'd the browser.

    Now I have to click favorites every time I open it. Even better it puts EU servers at the top of the list every time.

    Having a 250+ ping EU server show to a west coast US player as #1 in the list is just plain broken no matter how you look at it.

    That shouldn't happen. Ping is the primary ranking factor among servers with players. Screenshot?

    Even in adding back the "all" tab I don't understand why you guys felt the need to tweak with how servers are sorted? It was working fine before.

    Though if you'll also notice those worthless ping bars make it look like the US servers are equal in ping to the EU servers, which they are not. So there's another prime example of a bad change that made things worse.

    40-100ms in US vs 180-250+ in EU = Both appear the same with ping bars.

    1 bar means that you have a latency higher than 250 ms to given servers which is under all circumstances not good and you should avoid playing on those servers. Basically your connection is not really allowing to favor any non empty server based on latency. Hence the ranking sorts EU servers with significant more players to the top. Given that 8bit is located in the UK you may actually have a better connection to it than to some east coast servers due to better routing.

    I would suggest to you to enable displaying empty servers again to see local servers and start to seed them. Assuming you don't live in some very rural region you shouldn't be the only one facing this issue.
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  • MoFo1MoFo1 United States Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Members Posts: 701 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    The thing is, my ping to the US servers is way way waaaaaaay below 250ms (in fact even to the east coast it's almost always under 100ms!) and they still show as 1 bar.... It's definitely not my connection, my internet is fine.

    It's also worth noting that back when we had the numbers in the browser, I never once saw a US server higher than 150ms, while EU servers always showed above 200ms.

  • BestProfileNameBestProfileName Join Date: 2013-01-03 Member: 177320Members Posts: 448 Advanced user
    MoFo1 wrote: »
    The thing is, my ping to the US servers is way way waaaaaaay below 250ms (in fact even to the east coast it's almost always under 100ms!) and they still show as 1 bar.... It's definitely not my connection, my internet is fine.

    It's also worth noting that back when we had the numbers in the browser, I never once saw a US server higher than 150ms, while EU servers always showed above 200ms.

    Similar issue I've noticed. Don't know the underlying cause. Either way I prefer the numbers to the bar, although it's a minor issue to me.
  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,593 Advanced user
    Yeah what's up with the ping bars... are we so dumb that we won't be able to understand hard numbers?
    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Natural Selection 2. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of military strategy and advanced mathematics you won't even win a single game. Theres also the game's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the game. The maps and artwork draw heavily from Riddley Scott's Alien franchise, for instance. The players understand this stuff, they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of the game, to realise that it's not just great, that it also says something about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Natural Selection 2 truly ARE idiots. of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Marines' existential catchphrase "how do I get to be so good", which itself is a cryptic reference to the high degree of intelligence required to play the game as intended. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion when spectating a game. What fools... how I pity them. And, yes, by the way, i DO have a Fade tatoo. And no, you cannot see it. it's for the ladies' eyes only, and even then they have to demonstrate that they are within 50 hive skill points of my own (preferable lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
  • EbichuEbichu Japan Join Date: 2014-12-09 Member: 199999Members Posts: 14 Fully active user
    When I play on US servers from Russia, Moscow, my ping is about 125-150.
    On UK servers ~ 80
    What I am doing wrong?
  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,593 Advanced user
    Ebichu wrote: »
    When I play on US servers from Russia, Moscow, my ping is about 125-150.
    On UK servers ~ 80
    What I am doing wrong?

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    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Natural Selection 2. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of military strategy and advanced mathematics you won't even win a single game. Theres also the game's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the game. The maps and artwork draw heavily from Riddley Scott's Alien franchise, for instance. The players understand this stuff, they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of the game, to realise that it's not just great, that it also says something about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Natural Selection 2 truly ARE idiots. of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Marines' existential catchphrase "how do I get to be so good", which itself is a cryptic reference to the high degree of intelligence required to play the game as intended. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion when spectating a game. What fools... how I pity them. And, yes, by the way, i DO have a Fade tatoo. And no, you cannot see it. it's for the ladies' eyes only, and even then they have to demonstrate that they are within 50 hive skill points of my own (preferable lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
  • 2cough2cough Rocky Mountain High Join Date: 2013-03-14 Member: 183952Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter Posts: 1,024 Advanced user
    prob routing you via east coast instead of west?
    IronHorsecoolitic
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands, Hoogezand Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,780 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    Ebichu wrote: »
    When I play on US servers from Russia, Moscow, my ping is about 125-150.
    On UK servers ~ 80
    What I am doing wrong?

    Hopping around the world wide digital network can be weird

    I used to have a ~250-300ms ping on the PT server in the UWE office [The Netherlands <-> San Francisco]
    To another PT server in the mid west I got 140-170MS

    Now here's the odd thing... Due to me connecting through the Atlantic pipes, I got close to a direct hop into the server as soon as I hit the American South-East coast, which is physically a much greater distance compared to the following dude...

    Another PT from the East coast (I dunno, NY? :D ), got the same ping on the PT server in SanFran and a higher ping on that mid west server, hopping around the USA like Daffy Duck


    Me from the Netherlands
    250-300ms & 140-170ms

    My "NY" dude (dammit I forgot your name)
    250-300ms & 180-200ms


    Enjoy the oddball router hopping, now TBH the USA's internal network router hopping is a mess, with all those companies competing with each other instead of coorperating like the EU...


    Hmm... Strange, EU can't work together but the network is superb. USA is kinda "one country" but your network is antagonistic! :D

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  • NordicNordic Long term camping in Kodiak Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 4,689 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    I am on the west coast. I get about a 40 ping to California, 100 ping to New York, 150 ping to the UK, and 200 ping to Las Vegas. One of these is not like the others.
    From my perspective UWE has been trying to both with what little resources they have given to the game. They don't have an AAA budget, let alone an indie game budget. They have the budget of a game that has been out 6 years. I want to say, don't half ass two things, whole ass one thing. I just don't think they have the resources to do it. Unlike many of the people on the forums, I guess I am just happy they are at least trying even though I may not like what they end up doing.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands, Hoogezand Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,780 Advanced user
    edited March 2017
    WTF @Nordic, how are you hopping around man. That is kinda taking a trip around the block, to get to your front yard!

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  • KarpmanKarpman Join Date: 2012-11-19 Member: 172488Members Posts: 61 Fully active user
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Ebichu wrote: »
    When I play on US servers from Russia, Moscow, my ping is about 125-150.
    On UK servers ~ 80
    What I am doing wrong?

    Hopping around the world wide digital network can be weird

    I used to have a ~250-300ms ping on the PT server in the UWE office [The Netherlands <-> San Francisco]
    To another PT server in the mid west I got 140-170MS

    Now here's the odd thing... Due to me connecting through the Atlantic pipes, I got close to a direct hop into the server as soon as I hit the American South-East coast, which is physically a much greater distance compared to the following dude...

    Another PT from the East coast (I dunno, NY? :D ), got the same ping on the PT server in SanFran and a higher ping on that mid west server, hopping around the USA like Daffy Duck


    Me from the Netherlands
    250-300ms & 140-170ms

    My "NY" dude (dammit I forgot your name)
    250-300ms & 180-200ms


    Enjoy the oddball router hopping, now TBH the USA's internal network router hopping is a mess, with all those companies competing with each other instead of coorperating like the EU...


    Hmm... Strange, EU can't work together but the network is superb. USA is kinda "one country" but your network is antagonistic! :D

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