Sensory First
Panzergeist
Join Date: 2002-02-27 Member: 256Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Getting sensor chambers first</div> Does anyone else not hate getting sensor chambers first? Today I played a game in ns_hera where everyone else absolutely refused to be a gorge, so I decided to gorge for once in my life. After building a few resource extractors, I proceeded to build sensor chambers. Several of my teammates immediately declared that we were doomed. Several of the enemies did the same soon after. Well, I managed to get the other 2 hives up, and we won the game by a landslide. They never came close to destroying a hive, and only destroyed 1 or 2 resource extractors. That didn't stop people from calling me names for the entire next game, nor did it bring anyone to apoligize, or admit that they were wrong about us being doomed. In fact, my 4-5 score "proved" that sensory sucked, even though I was a gorge 2/3 of the game, and being a moderately skilled player doesn't preclude me from being a good strategist. My "faggot-**** cloak whoring" didn't stop them from asking me to be a gorge next game, nor did it stop me from building both hives again in that next game, which we also won.
Now, does anyone else actually like sensor? I saw a lot of alien teams win with sensory back in 1.0 and 1.1, before people realized that it took patience, craftiness, and a willingess to use guerilla tactics rather than brute force. In fact, It is my belief that by getting cloak early on, a good alien team can essentially blockade the marine base, killing anyone who exits. I personally used cloak to great effect that game, saving my **** as a gorge by letting marines pass me by, if not scoring m4d l33t s3lf1sh k1llZ0rz. I think sensory is way underated. Anyone else agree? Or am I indeed a "n00b faggot" who deserves to be 0wned by a mass of predictable defense-movement-sensory l33t Khaara?
Now, does anyone else actually like sensor? I saw a lot of alien teams win with sensory back in 1.0 and 1.1, before people realized that it took patience, craftiness, and a willingess to use guerilla tactics rather than brute force. In fact, It is my belief that by getting cloak early on, a good alien team can essentially blockade the marine base, killing anyone who exits. I personally used cloak to great effect that game, saving my **** as a gorge by letting marines pass me by, if not scoring m4d l33t s3lf1sh k1llZ0rz. I think sensory is way underated. Anyone else agree? Or am I indeed a "n00b faggot" who deserves to be 0wned by a mass of predictable defense-movement-sensory l33t Khaara?
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The reason most people got sensories in 1.0 and 1.1 is because they didnt know any better. Everyone was a newb then and people were experimenting with different things.
sensory is a valid first chamber. I love it.
You're the third person this WEEK to start a topic on this.
For God's sake, people, USE THE SEARCH FEATURE!
"theorycraft" bah go check it out for yourself it's all there.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=21&t=18012' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...ST&f=21&t=18012</a>
Or maybe I need to learn an offensive way of using cloaking? I just don't see how personally, since you need to wait for marines to make a move, then react.
While with cloaking first, you might have a better chance of stopping hmg rushes, as well as possibly preventing marines from taking the other 2 hives.
Incidentally...
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=21&t=18012&st=105' target='_blank'>The Fellow Aliens Thread</a>
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Rez/Def/Rez/Rez/Rez/Hive. With maybe a Def again thrown in b4 hive if the skulks aren't RAMPANTLY evolving cara, and I have enough rez left over.
I'm pretty sure at this stage you will need to attack structures, and I am not sure how cloaking adds to your ability to do that.
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How does lack of movment prevent you from attacking structures? Blink in, slash a turret, run or blink out. Usually you can do this without losing even half your life (no pun intended). Heal up, repeat untill you blindside the TF.
I dont think the idea here is not to change the order to SC/DC/MC...
Just give a guy a brake when he decides not to build acording to your precious needs. Differance is Good.
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="Well, this has been discussed an awful lot by this point, and although I usually insist on def first, I can go with any order providing the gorge asks first."
I start calling my gorge names when he only gets me 1 SC, then stops because everyone complains. That right there is why I dont like SC's first, as it takes 30 res to get a worthwhile addition, whereas making MC's or DC's first, you can get by early with 2. (although 3 is really best for silence or celerity for skulks) 3 SC's=30, 2 DC's or MC's=28. Every res counts in the first 6 minutes, I hate to spend a 1 I don't have to.
Incidentally...
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=21&t=18012&st=105' target='_blank'>The Fellow Aliens Thread</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True...the hive will heal itself, but EXTREMELY slowly. Throwing up 3 defense chambers under it really speeds things up, as well as heal spraying the hive while you wait for res.
Hey. Thats a cute avatar you have there. is it a cat or something?
well, in malay, "Apa" would directly translate to "what" in english.
anyway regarding this, there is no right or wrong answer. i only wish that the so-called "elitists" just relax a little, have fun effing with the diverseness of alien traits.
Question then : If I spray a hive before it's finished building, am I increasing it's health (not finishing the building faster - I know it doesn't do that) or do I have to wait until it's finished before I can heal it?
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HAHA!
Personally I love sensory first, but I'm not about to go gorge and build it unless the rest of the team agrees.
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it doesnt always hafta be defense first
if u get cloaking.. u can sit on their base.... parasite etc...
or all skulks wait for an ambush....
Hey. Thats a cute avatar you have there. is it a cat or something?
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Its swedish. Apa means ape, or monkey. LaserMonkey.
And the avatar is a monkey shooting l?asers in all directions out of his eyes, while holding his paws/hands up, Im sure.
(b?st att f?rklara s? mycket som m?jligt.)
About topic, I like M>D>S, but the times I do play with Sensory first, those times I lost... Not to say I never lost the others, but ALL the games with sensory first(okay, not that many, 3 or so, but still. If the marine team is (as)good(as you), you are likely to loose...
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I was wrong.
Basically carapice makes a <b>BIG</b> difference to your ability to take out held positions, and sensory makes none what so ever.
8 level 3 carapice skulks rushing a marine installation will have a reasonable chance of taking it out, 8 cloaking skulks will have an excellent chance of dieing horribly.
If the commander realises you have sensory (and really he should) then all he has to do is get marines into the two hive locations and build there. While poorly played marines can be beaten with the old 'ambush them all as they run accross the map' tactic, good coms will scan ahead, they will use phase gates and when the phase gates are up your sensory upgrade is useless.
If the marines are so poor they don't scan and don't use phase gates, well just all evolve gorge at the start and gorge rush them, its a much better way to deal out humilation.
The ONE exception to this is ns_nancy, you can hold the intire map by holding messhall and auxilery gen? (the one next to messhall with the sub tunnle outside un-named).
If you get every member of your team in those two locations at the start then sensory <b>MIGHT</b> work, however carapice will work just aswell because after the 3rd or 4th rush into the twin meat grinder the commander will start scanning them.
You can still hold the map if they take un-named (mother interface) hive.
BlueGhost
Yet another senseless argument for sensory. It is 100% counterable, and not even as good as carapace even when the commander does not scanner sweep. I hear you, and if you dont get me in about a second or less, you turn into a lead rug.