Natural Selection Free to Play

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  • MuckyMcFlyMuckyMcFly Join Date: 2012-03-19 Member: 148982Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 616 Fully active user
    NS2: Combat* would make a much better F2P game than NS2, just my opinion.



    *note: I bought it for me and three friends so I do like the game.



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  • SantaClawsSantaClaws Denmark Join Date: 2012-07-31 Member: 154491Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,082 Advanced user
    edited July 2015
    Oh god NOOO @Unknown Whyyyy!!
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  • MephillesMephilles Germany Join Date: 2013-08-07 Member: 186634Members, NS2 Map Tester Posts: 953 Advanced user
    that dude will become the next herobrine
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  • BensonBenson Join Date: 2012-03-07 Member: 148303Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Posts: 1,296 Advanced user
    I've always found that servers that are 18-20 players provide the best PUB experience.

    Large enough to give the "at least I'm not holding my team back" feeling, but small enough to avoid having kills make no impact (always someone else to fill the gap).
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  • StardogStardog Join Date: 2004-10-25 Member: 32448Members Posts: 303 Advanced user
    edited July 2015
    I would only want NS2 to be Free rather than F2P. Maybe when it was no longer bring any serious income to UW.

    If they were to go F2P, I would prefer it was with NS3 and it was built from scratch in Unity with a more modern gameplay "feel".
  • NordicNordic Long term camping in Kodiak Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 4,730 Advanced user
    Stardog wrote: »
    modern gameplay "feel".

    Can you elaborate on this?
    From my perspective UWE has been trying to both with what little resources they have given to the game. They don't have an AAA budget, let alone an indie game budget. They have the budget of a game that has been out 6 years. I want to say, don't half ass two things, whole ass one thing. I just don't think they have the resources to do it. Unlike many of the people on the forums, I guess I am just happy they are at least trying even though I may not like what they end up doing.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 4,262 Fully active user
    How many people would we expect to get if the game went F2P anyway?
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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,611 Advanced user
    As much as I like to bash F2P games, I'm gonna be completely honest and say that my favorite NS2 games were often during the free weekends. I loved watching people learn the game and helping people figure the game out. If the tide of the battle turned sour, I liked becoming a hero and push back the field a bit until my team got proper footing again. So much fun. Sure, the games were sloppy and often lasted an hour or two. But there were so many little things. Lerks derping, a guy losing his goddamn mind the first time he sees an Onos, everyone coveting exosuits, people screaming about turrets as if they were actually worth something, the first time someone runs right into a shaded nest...

    Usually by the end of the game, everyone is cheering and ready for the next round.
    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Natural Selection 2. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of military strategy and advanced mathematics you won't even win a single game. Theres also the game's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the game. The maps and artwork draw heavily from Riddley Scott's Alien franchise, for instance. The players understand this stuff, they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of the game, to realise that it's not just great, that it also says something about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Natural Selection 2 truly ARE idiots. of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Marines' existential catchphrase "how do I get to be so good", which itself is a cryptic reference to the high degree of intelligence required to play the game as intended. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion when spectating a game. What fools... how I pity them. And, yes, by the way, i DO have a Fade tatoo. And no, you cannot see it. it's for the ladies' eyes only, and even then they have to demonstrate that they are within 50 hive skill points of my own (preferable lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
  • cyzedcyzed Sweden Join Date: 2015-07-07 Member: 206035Members Posts: 8 Fully active user
    Obraxis wrote: »
    For the record, CDT dont want to destroy the Wooza server and community. We'd rather the server not be 24+ players, but there is no point in putting in effort to stop it. It would cause too many issues for our small CDT team to deal with, and NS2 needs all the communities we can get right now.

    Hello, just registered to the forums, but I have been reading on the forums from time to time. First of all, I love NS2. Have been playing NS2 since 2013 and I've been following the game developing for many years before that. When I started to play I mostly played on Thursty Onos Bar Server, which had 36 (I think) slots at the time. After some time that server was shutdown and then Wooza's 42 player server was hosted, so I started to play on that. There was some times when the large servers was not available. Then I was forced on to smaller servers, and that was not as much fun. No action, slow gameplay, good players can lockdown a room and there is nothing you can do to get past them. And it's fewer player interactions and more resbiting. So that's far from the game I like to play. So when there was no larger servers up I didn't play the game at all. It was to boring. I know that there was/is more people like me that pefer the larger servers. If the larger servers would shut down those players would quit NS2 and if you look at the server browser, you can see that Wooza's two servers have around 25-65% of the total online population depending on time of day.

    That's my backstory, and the question I have to you @Obraxis and the CDT. Why do you oppose 24+ servers? And What are you doing in terms of helping serveradmins for current 24+ servers and serveradmins trying to start 24+ servers? Are you focusing on providing patches that helps performance on 24+ servers?

    (@Obraxis The community on Wooza's 42 and 32 player servers are there because of the size of the servers. If Wooza decides to lower the slots to 24 players, the community would die. 98% of the players on Wooza's play exclusivly on that server and would not play on smaller servers.)

    Please exusce me for spelling errors, english is not my native language.

    /cyzed - with over 1500 hours of NS2 gameplay
  • MephillesMephilles Germany Join Date: 2013-08-07 Member: 186634Members, NS2 Map Tester Posts: 953 Advanced user
    @cyzed here I am the complete opposite of you hating each server that has more than 16 player slots. My favourite pub server is Hellarious Basterds which is a 7v7 server. I dislike large servers because of performance issues and the fact that important skills you need to apply to the game (like map awareness, where the enemy will be in like 15 seconds and what will you do to counter that/where do you need to be in 15 seconds). There is no way on large servers to count lifeforms on the map to say where the enemy is not and basically if you screw up it can be your fault that your team loses. It forces you to get your shit together. It also gives a possibility to show your skill even though you can't aim that well.

    I love playing 6v6 competitive NS2 and it happens even to the most skilled players that you do a mistake and get yelled at. (or sometimes just a private talk to check if you just had a bad day or really are that stupid). This might sound a bit harsh but this happens because people want you to get better...

    I drifted away somewhere... Basically on small servers more skill is needed and teamwork needs to be more precise which is why I love the game.
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  • ObraxisObraxis Subnautica Animator & QA Lead, NS2 Person Join Date: 2004-07-24 Member: 30071Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts Posts: 2,993 admin
    edited July 2015
    @cyzed - NS2 and the Spark engine were not designed or balanced for play on anything larger than 24 player servers. Servers which are bigger than this, hack the .exe to enable that.

    It's like designing a car to seat and move 5 people, and you try and squeeze in 10+. Possible, but you might not get the desired results in terms of speed, reliability or fun.

    This is why we focus on servers which the game is designed and intended for. I hope you understand.

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  • CCTEECCTEE Join Date: 2013-06-20 Member: 185634Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 772 Advanced user
    Obraxis wrote: »
    hack the .exe

    Call it 'mod' and all of a sudden it has a positive feel to it. :)
    grrrr im beast
  • ghostdlrghostdlr Join Date: 2015-07-02 Member: 205950Members Posts: 45 Fully active user
    Are there any plans of building a matchmaking system ?
  • cyzedcyzed Sweden Join Date: 2015-07-07 Member: 206035Members Posts: 8 Fully active user
    edited July 2015
    Obraxis wrote: »
    @cyzed - NS2 and the Spark engine were not designed or balanced for play on anything larger than 24 player servers. Servers which are bigger than this, hack the .exe to enable that.

    It's like designing a car to seat and move 5 people, and you try and squeeze in 10+. Possible, but you might not get the desired results in terms of speed, reliability or fun.

    This is why we focus on servers which the game is designed and intended for. I hope you understand.

    Thanks for the reply. If we continue your simile with a car. It's more like 25-65% of the people using the car want to attach a trailer to it. So they modify their car to be able to do it. When you get informed that half of the people using your car/game is using a trailer/larger servers, will you support them or say that you car/game is not built for that and that they can go elsewhere if they don't use it as intended?
    Maybe you should help the game evolve into a game with bigger servers? You know, by natural selection :wink:

    So, my question is: Can you spend you developing resources like the community is using NS2? (25-65% towards larger servers improvements)

    @Mephilles @2cough Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure you know what it's like to play on a larger server. It is similar to playing on a smaller server just more intense and more action. NS2 scales very well. If there is a room with 5-7 marines in it, they can still be overwhelmed by the aliens. And there is even more teamwork involved in the larger servers, because you need to group up to make a push against the other team. On smaller servers you just need one or two players to clear out a room, right? On a 42 player server you might need 6-8 players working together to clear out a room.

    I'd like to see you all have a try and play at a larger server. If you join a 42 player server and try to stay open minded, then maybe you can see why we love to play NS2 on larger servers.


    @CCTEE That's how I look at it :smile:


    Edit:
    @BeigeAlert Then my question to you is: Why do the larger servers attract a larger number of (new?) players than other servers? Is it because they like them better? Or else they would join smaller servers, wouldn't they?
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  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff Posts: 1,197 mod
    I honestly must say that I can enjoy games on 24+ servers as much as I do on 24- servers. I have, of course a trend to feel more fun on 16 slots servers and on 6 vs. 6 competitive rounds but I've also gotten some fun on Wooza' servers lately.

    Gameplay are however much different from each other. I don't play the same game or, should I say, I play the same game but using different strategies and by adapting my playing style. I can join those larger servers and just wandering around the map, without feeling the need to play with my teammates. It remains better if all the team gathers up and plays together but my decisions will definitely have less consequences and impact that they do on smaller servers. Another difference is the skill level on those servers. Although it's true that the overall skill level of public players has decreased, I do not meet excellent players on those larger servers. It might be a result of the amount of slots, hiding even more those players when they have to face many enemies which is way tougher than facing only a couple of them (but it's part of the fun, isn't it?).

    To be honest, I first hated to play on these 'too big' servers. But now I've changed my mind. Where a pleasant game is getting hard to find out on NS2 these days, Wooza and Thirsty Onos for instance provide both of them as much as good and bad games, regardless of their amount of slots.

    NS2 wasn't maybe designed for a such large server at first. But when you see all those players joining Wooza & Co, that's for reasons. One thing leads to another, when the playerbase was much higher, there were more servers up running with less than 24 slots. Obviously, now those servers have shut down due to the difficulty to feed them. I have no patience to wait myself on a server with a couple of other players till we get it full. I'd rather want to connect on a server with games ongoing already and it's one of the advantages on Wooza. I imagine that when this server is full, its player amount goes down slower than on any other server and vice-versa but you get more chance to have people on it already for those very same reasons.

    Right now, I can believe if you say those servers allow the playerbase to decrease slowly.
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  • MauvaisVitrierMauvaisVitrier France Join Date: 2014-04-10 Member: 195291Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond Posts: 450 Advanced user
    cyzed wrote: »
    I'd like to see you all have a try and play at a larger server. If you join a 42 player server and try to stay open minded, then maybe you can see why we love to play NS2 on larger servers.
    If we all more or less shit on Wooza's servers it's because we all played on them at some point. I remember playing on them as a rookie, then I left because of performance and poor ns2 gameplay experience

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  • AeglosAeglos Join Date: 2010-04-06 Member: 71189Members Posts: 617 Advanced user
    I'm not sure of the exact circumstances, and correlation is not causation, but there was this other rather popular server which became deserted when they increased their player slots, so I'm not sure there is a demand for more large servers.

    As for the optimal player count for enjoyment of the game, I think people on opposite sides will never see eye to eye. I played on the 42 slot server once, I left after one round and I have never joined it since, but it is pretty clear that there are also people who enjoy playing on these servers and would never think of joining a regular server.
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts Posts: 8,191 admin
    edited July 2015
    cyzed wrote: »
    Obraxis wrote: »
    @cyzed - NS2 and the Spark engine were not designed or balanced for play on anything larger than 24 player servers. Servers which are bigger than this, hack the .exe to enable that.

    It's like designing a car to seat and move 5 people, and you try and squeeze in 10+. Possible, but you might not get the desired results in terms of speed, reliability or fun.

    This is why we focus on servers which the game is designed and intended for. I hope you understand.

    It's more like 25-65% of the people using the car want to attach a trailer to it. So they modify their car to be able to do it.
    A trailer would make it stable, and scale well - neither of which 24+ servers are capable of currently.
    cyzed wrote: »
    So, my question is: Can you spend you developing resources like the community is using NS2? (25-65% towards larger servers improvements)
    We already have spent time and resources developing larger than supported server optimizations, to include fixing multiple bugs. The larger player servers have been very helpful with providing data and testing, which makes sense considering how it was never intended for in the first place so there was bound to be issues.

    Any further improvement beyond the already achieved basic non-buggy functionality, will more than likely just be an indirect cause of general server optimizations.
    cyzed wrote: »
    NS2 scales very well.
    No... sorry but it really does not.
    Anyone familiar with NS2 can take the time to list the reasons.. they really are numerous, from the advantage that is given to marines, to structure HP not scaling with players etc. etc.
    It's a long list.

    Spend some more time, actually play some 6 v 6 the same amount you play 21 vs 21 and after some time you'll quickly realize how they are two different games entirely.
    You may even be surprised at how rewarding smaller servers can be, from actual tension being achieved through your actions, to actually allowing you to solo a room without facing 8 marines that instantly put you down, to having to actually utilize your map to coordinate enemy player positions. Oh yea, and the server rates will be better too, as most 24+ servers artificially lower the server rates to account for poor performance, so gameplay will actually feel better on smaller servers.

    Thank you for taking the time to register and give your feedback on the matter, however, it is greatly appreciated and I hope you continue to provide ideas and discussions :)



    QUOTE (Techercizer @ Feb 3 2012, 10:47 AM) »
    Every time you ask for troubleshooting without providing system info, ATI adds a rendering bug for an upcoming game.

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  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts Posts: 2,822 admin
    edited July 2015
    cyzed wrote: »
    Obraxis wrote: »
    @cyzed - NS2 and the Spark engine were not designed or balanced for play on anything larger than 24 player servers. Servers which are bigger than this, hack the .exe to enable that.

    It's like designing a car to seat and move 5 people, and you try and squeeze in 10+. Possible, but you might not get the desired results in terms of speed, reliability or fun.

    This is why we focus on servers which the game is designed and intended for. I hope you understand.

    Thanks for the reply. If we continue your simile with a car. It's more like 25-65% of the people using the car want to attach a trailer to it. So they modify their car to be able to do it. When you get informed that half of the people using your car/game is using a trailer/larger servers, will you support them or say that you car/game is not built for that and that they can go elsewhere if they don't use it as intended?
    Maybe you should help the game evolve into a game with bigger servers? You know, by natural selection :wink:

    So, my question is: Can you spend you developing resources like the community is using NS2? (25-65% towards larger servers improvements)

    @Mephilles @2cough Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure you know what it's like to play on a larger server. It is similar to playing on a smaller server just more intense and more action. NS2 scales very well. If there is a room with 5-7 marines in it, they can still be overwhelmed by the aliens. And there is even more teamwork involved in the larger servers, because you need to group up to make a push against the other team. On smaller servers you just need one or two players to clear out a room, right? On a 42 player server you might need 6-8 players working together to clear out a room.

    I'd like to see you all have a try and play at a larger server. If you join a 42 player server and try to stay open minded, then maybe you can see why we love to play NS2 on larger servers.


    @CCTEE That's how I look at it :smile:

    It's not that easy!

    The runtime per tick complexity of NS2 is about O(n^2) (n := amount of entities).

    Meaning if you double the amount of entities you increase the runtime by four times. And that doesn't change by using more potent hardware.

    I mean even Wooza with it's extremely potent hardware has performance issues( just get 6+ marines with GLs spamming at a hive).

    Beside all the technically aspects NS2 was clearly designed and balanced for 12-18 players. That it works at higher numbers just shows that the core mechanics scale just fine.

    BUT NS2 is like NS1 a team oriented, tactic- and twitch-Shooter. With a player number of 30+ most of those aspects just get lost.

    I mean that's the same reason you don't play Counterstrike with 30 players.

    I know these days action focused FPS games are ways more popular and NS2 gets trimmed towards such kind of game at 30+ servers. But in fact NS2 is not meant to work that way.

    If action focused combat is the way you want to play NS2 you are free to create a mod. But don't just expect the vanilla design to change.

    Also i have to disagree with people calling "removing the max player slot limit" a modification. That modification is done with hex editors directly changing binary values.
    It is known how to do that because the ns2 beta builds didn't have such a limit. And finding a jump byte inside a certain region is not that difficult.

    But with e.g. the next build we change the used compiler which could mean the given jump ends up somewhere totally different.

    There are just so many things that can go wrong if you edit the wrong bytes of the binary. And that's the reason we don't support those binary hacks.


    Furthermore that the CDT wouldn't help "large slot servers" is just false: If we improve the server performance or fix a crash the large slot server will be effected as well as all other servers.

    After all the issue with that large slot servers are "new player traps" will be solved soon by various things without having any direct impact on given servers.
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  • woozawooza Switzerland Join Date: 2013-11-21 Member: 189496Members, Squad Five Blue Posts: 171 Fully active user
    @Obraxis

    ATF admirably tried to keep the flow of bug reports going, despite an insulting permban. That stopped for good the moment you proceeded to order every single CDT individual to hard-block all his contact attempts.
    Unless he went public, none of the bug reports were looked at anyways the moment ATF revealed himself a Wooza's operator.
    He was also particularly interested in making sure the community is informed how easy one can be considered CDT material by simply hating on my servers or players.
    He's the reason players can have fun in NS2. He's been my trusty babbler shield to foil all your attacks.
    Your attempt to demonize him is speaking for itself.
    In 2014 ATF still found time for daily deliveries of the badly needed performance profiling data to @matso while he saved his old mans life through months of devotion and care.
    How come you failed to mention the reason for the ban? I'm sure there'd be no noticable backlash had you exposed your double standards.

    Since you mention perspective without telling the rest of the story, what happened to your server, "YO-Clan" was it? You should try seeding, it looks kind of empty. Are you perhaps unhappy that players flock to servers where operators put actual effort in?
    For the record, CDT dont want to destroy the Wooza server and community.

    For almost two years, PT and CDT teams have fought relentlessly to destroy us. Some have crashed the server through network exploits and have yet to be reprimanded. It was all for the greater good.
    Some have leaked dev chat plans about delisting my servers, to me. This led to the largest protest against the "community development team" from concerned community members. They just wanted to play.
    Twice was the Playground and its accessory servers removed from Hive whitelist for bogus reasons. That caused a lot of extra work for us and Acedude, an UWE employee. Community members kept asking us: Why? Why would the CDT do such a thing?
    Some undermined the CDTs credibility for their personal strive against us (this is a good one).
    The cherry on the cake was my PT invitation that suddenly got scrapped when you realised who that guy with the awesome gear was. No actual reason was ever supplied. I wonder why.

    Now you're suddenly claiming a change of mind? Do you believe to have any face left worth saving?

    You're still beyond realisation it was ATFs planning all along to have you scapegoat him? He sacrificed himself for my server, so that the players who love it would remain undisturbed.

    Why would you lie about not wanting to destroy us instead of a simple apology for the last 22 months of utter rage and relentless hate? Look, you don't even have to stop hating us. We're used to it by now.
    Just apologise every now and then and we're good.

    To gain sympathy from the remainder of the forum dwellers, of which most are dead set on hate already, you keep going on about how you have so few time as volunteer.
    Yet, the amount of time you forced us to spent dealing with your shenanigans is magically not counted?. We are volunteers. We are not paid. In fact, running those servers ranges around EUR 300 per month. You dare to steal our time and cause grief to the community you're supposed to support.
    This post is a good example. It's the truth you want to hide. Be quick to edit it and ban me.
    Just don't forget to mention you forced a volunteer to spent yet another hour typing this.
    Ah it sure is a nice timing with that post of yours, even mentioning the patch in it. Simple minds now can't help but agree with you. Otherwise they'd be -horrible- to the -volunteers-.
    We'd rather the server not be 24+ players, but there is no point in putting in effort to stop it.
    Are you perhaps running out of points to make against 24+? Hilarious.
    For those that don't understand why that's hilarious: Back when Wooza's Playground started, it was a spectacular lagfest during some endgames. That wasn't good. There were actual reasons for complaint.
    This has long since changed. The server copes with endgame scenarios better than many other, 'normal sized' ones.

    There are no points left to make against it, there's only blind rage left. Keep it up, Obraxis. ATF will strike you down all over again.

    (Free to play will come too late. Servers are a non issue.)
    Mattk50 wrote: »
    Quoting this again to remind people what a bad development and community interaction policy looks like. Lets go down the list. See if you can find exactly where each point is hit.
    -Contradicts community feedback by vaguely insisting a bad change has been "positive"
    -Decrees that the change is permanent despite overwhelming community outcry in the negative
    -Misrepresent the arguments people are using in order to get an easy position to defend your change from.
    -Fail to make any real arguments in favor of your position other than the aforementioned "its positive"
    -Claim to understand complaints immediately after failing to properly interpret and respond to a quote in the same post.
    -Claim that holes left by the newly missing experiences are being filled by unrelated and half baked mechanics.
    -Ignoring community feedback, then retroactively pretending that changes made personally were based on community feedback.

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    its nearly made me quit several times
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