Are you using webadmin? It hinders server performance and overwrites config files, while offering nothing that cannot be done outside of webadmin. There is honestly no reason to be using it, unless you want to cause lag and config issues with your server.
Are you using webadmin? It hinders server performance and overwrites config files, while offering nothing that cannot be done outside of webadmin. There is honestly no reason to be using it, unless you want to cause lag and config issues with your server.
For the most part, you are correct. It depends on what you use it for, actually. Server performance is also based on the type of machine running the server. Most people skimp on the type of server they run their game(s) on. They do this mainly for $$$, we don't.
It lags the server even while it's idle. You could use it for absolutely nothing, and it will still lag the server if it's open.
Everything "lags" the server; that an admin uses as a tool. The simple act of logging into Remote Desktop, lags server. A portal (if one is available), lags server. Every player that joins a game, causes some lag in a server. Creating 1 cyst causes lag, every entity created in game, causes lag. Everything that goes on, will create lag. I don't get your point. The only thing that matters, really; is the type of connection (bandwidth), and type of "box" used. There is absolutely nothing you can do, that won't "cause lag".
The only reason i see so far to use the webadmin is to force the server to download a mod without cycling the map all the time.
Sending commands to servers + getting more detailed server info, also done though webapi. Not sure whether it lags too, cause it's not rendering the GUI interface
I was a victim of some of your former (I think) admins who abused players, one in particular since he knew me from NS1 and another who honestly believe I cheated, and even attempted to get me kicked out of PT for it. The reasons for my ban were never made clear, nor did my unban requests even get acknowledged. How can you deal with something directly when you get no response? I saw the response to my previous note about this, but honestly if I had wanted to cause trouble for you and your server, I could have done so easily. You used the admin mod that I created and maintained for a while, I could have easily added something to unban myself or even worse, gave myself admin. I choose to respect your decision even if I didn't agree with it, the least you could do is show that to others.
I looked into your ban. You were smurfing under the name Bob Dole, and ban said "trolling, and using the N word".
ID: 5176141. Name: Bob Dole. Time remaining: Forever. Reason: trolling, and using the N word
That's what I was able to learn. Hope that answers your questions. I do not know who ban you, it doesn't say. It was done from WebAdmin, so it was executed by a Senior Admin.
The only reason i see so far to use the webadmin is to force the server to download a mod without cycling the map all the time.
Sending commands to servers + getting more detailed server info, also done though webapi. Not sure whether it lags too, cause it's not rendering the GUI interface
Agreed on both fronts. As for "rubber banding", the only time that's ever an issue, is very late game (one that's been running a long long time, with a lot of entities), or when a server isn't restarted like it's suppose to. We restart our servers every day, during non-peek times.
As for "rubber banding", the only time that's ever an issue, is very late game
That is just simply not true. Rubber banding is an issue at any point in a game, whether it is early game, mid-game, or late game. If the server has rubber banding, then it's an issue. Any disruption of server performance is an issue.
Using Webadmin at any point in time (even during pregame while there are only two players connected to the server) will cause rubber banding. This has been tested. The server will hang for a second whenever anything is done on Webadmin, and if Webadmin is left open for too long, the server's performance will suffer (due to Webadmin being open for so long, and memory leaks).
Well that's probably the most legitimate answer, at least it explains some of the reasoning why it happened so suddenly.. For the record that incident occurred on another server (i think, that's so long ago), and was a really an issue between me and someone who I had thought was a friend.. but clearly was not. In retrospect I should have seen that earlier and not acted how I did, but hindsight is always 20/20. I had spoken with the admin who banned me directly, but its largely irrelevant anymore.
Also for the record I never took issue with people stopping to use DAK as an Admin mod - I clearly told anyone who asked that I did not have the time to dedicate to seriously developing it, especially when an alternative had come out which was much better suited.. DAK originally started back in ~B210 and was solely intended for use on a few servers, way before consistency checks or anything of that nature existed. The only real roadblock I remember was specifically regarding reserve slots, and my refusal to create a system which by default would allow users to fully load into a server only to be redirected to another server, or kicked.
Regardless, I have no desire to further derail this as I have my answer and said what I wanted to say.
As for "rubber banding", the only time that's ever an issue, is very late game
That is just simply not true. Rubber banding is an issue at any point in a game, whether it is early game, mid-game, or late game. If the server has rubber banding, then it's an issue. Any disruption of server performance is an issue.
Using Webadmin at any point in time (even during pregame while there are only two players connected to the server) will cause rubber banding. This has been tested. The server will hang for a second whenever anything is done on Webadmin, and if Webadmin is left open for too long, the server's performance will suffer (due to Webadmin being open for so long, and memory leaks).
You're welcome to have the last word on the subject. I've already stated what happens on my 8 servers. There is no need for me to repeat myself regarding it.
Well that's probably the most legitimate answer, at least it explains some of the reasoning why it happened so suddenly.. For the record that incident occurred on another server (i think, that's so long ago), and was a really an issue between me and someone who I had thought was a friend.. but clearly was not. In retrospect I should have seen that earlier and not acted how I did, but hindsight is always 20/20. I had spoken with the admin who banned me directly, but its largely irrelevant anymore.
Also for the record I never took issue with people stopping to use DAK as an Admin mod - I clearly told anyone who asked that I did not have the time to dedicate to seriously developing it, especially when an alternative had come out which was much better suited.. DAK originally started back in ~B210 and was solely intended for use on a few servers, way before consistency checks or anything of that nature existed. The only real roadblock I remember was specifically regarding reserve slots, and my refusal to create a system which by default would allow users to fully load into a server only to be redirected to another server, or kicked.
Regardless, I have no desire to further derail this as I have my answer and said what I wanted to say.
You were ban on hive 1, just so you know. I never had any discussions with you regarding reserve slots, and the first time I had seen any reserve slot system in NS2 was with Shine. Although, I did have a reserve slot, redirection system working perfectly in NS1. The problem with some mod developers, is their refusal to listen. For some reason, they think they are a few steps ahead of other people. It's a serious character flaw. In addition, there's no reason to "lash out at people" just because they make you mad, or you disagree (which happens like religion here all the time). It's just as easy to be civil, and have a discussion, as it is to be a pain in everyone's ass (which some find great pleasure in).
Our servers are played by many for several reasons. What's really telling is the number 1 reason players give for enjoying their stay at KingKahunaGames.com. It's also the number 1 reason, others dislike us the most. That is because of our rules, and enforcement of them. Unlike here on these forums, and many other game servers that have rules, we actually enforce our rules (although IronHorse tries hard). That's what our player base likes the most! The trolls, and asshats on the other hand, can't stand the fact, that we say what me mean, and mean what we say, and have absolutely no problems getting rid of trouble makers at a moments notice. We give no warnings, aside from of our posted rules. First sign of disrespectful behavior, or the use of the N word, POOF you're gone. People do NOT go to game servers to listen to a bunch of bickering, and verbal abuse. We kindly send those type of people on their merry way. In addition, we notice that same type of disrespectful/trolling behavior here on these forums, we have ban people for that also. Why the pre-emptive banning one may ask? Easy, if your behave in a crude way here, you'll do the same on our game servers (some get their entertainment by getting ban). It just makes it easy, and less problematic dealing with it now, than while other people are trying to have fun.
BTW - I appreciate your acknowledgment of your behavior on our servers. We don't just ban people for the sake of banning them. If you have been ban on our servers, most likely you deserved it. If we have a rogue admin, let me know. I'm easy to find. I'll correct it.
Have you tested it? Join one of your servers, then load up Webadmin on another machine. Click around on the GUI. Observe as your server cries out in pain while you tinker around with its insides. I'm really surprised that you have never noticed this happen before.
Having eight servers doesn't mean that you know more about NS2 servers than somebody who only has one.
Also I am not trying to have the last word (please, we're not children here) I am simply stating the facts regarding Webadmin and server performance.
Have you tested it? Join one of your servers, then load up Webadmin on another machine. Click around on the GUI. Observe as your server cries out in pain while you tinker around with its insides. I'm really surprised that you have never noticed this happen before.
Having eight servers doesn't mean that you know more about NS2 servers than somebody who only has one.
Also I am not trying to have the last word (please, we're not children here) I am simply stating the facts regarding Webadmin and server performance.
Gibs, seriously? Of course we've tested it. Just because you say something doesn't make it so. Also, I have been running NS servers for 11 years. Using your "join date", that would put my experience ahead of yours by 10+ years. That in it's self doesn't mean I am "more knowledgeable" about NS2 servers. But, it would mean I know about it then you do. <-- period
You can have whatever facts you want. It doesn't change the reality of what we experience. You call whatever you want, so long as it makes you happy. I really don't care.
Wait a second, haven't you/your admins already banned everyone who has 500+ hours? Usually you guys just ban them for their KDR or pubstomping.
This is simply not true. Again, feel free to believe whatever you want. We have NEVER ban anyone for KDR. We have ban several hundred idiots for pubstomping on a ROOKIE ONLY server. Guilty as charged.
Coming from someone who has experienced it quite differently on your very own servers, what I assumed to be Webadmin was causing quite a hefty amount of rubber-banding. If you insist that it is not Webadmin, then surely with your eleven years of experience under your belt you can figure out what else could be causing such an issue.
And before you say it, no, it was not during the late-game that I experienced the drop in quality. It is during the all-the-time game.
Lastly, I would like to point out that being more knowledgable and knowing more about something are one and the same.
Coming from someone who has experienced it quite differently on your very own servers, what I assumed to be Webadmin was causing quite a hefty amount of rubber-banding. If you insist that it is not Webadmin, then surely with your eleven years of experience under your belt you can figure out what else could be causing such an issue.
And before you say it, no, it was not during the late-game that I experienced the drop in quality. It is during the all-the-time game.
Lastly, I would like to point out that being more knowledgable and knowing more about something are one and the same.
"Also, I have been running NS servers for 11 years. Using your "join date", that would put my experience ahead of yours by 10+ years. That in it's self doesn't mean I am "more knowledgeable" about NS2 servers. But, it would mean I know about it then you do. <-- period"
You can pick and choose what I say, but if you take the context of my message, you'll learn that "experience itself" doesn't = knowledge (dumbing this down for you, as easily as I can), however, that 11 years of experience will indeed = I'm more "knowledgeable" about my own game servers than you are.
Don't worry, people take Bible passages out of context all the time too.
Regarding your claim, you can say anything you want about "rubber banding issues" on our servers, but many others have already posted disputing your claim. I would suggest, if you are having issues with "performance" on my servers, you might actually pause any porn you have running in the background, that could be your problem; Or, you are using a commodore 64, which is outdated, and can't really handle a game like NS2. Just a thought. Hopefully that will help improve your experience on our game server(s).
That all being said, I'm finished with you Gibs. You sir have a nice day. I'll not respond to any other messages from you.
When people tell me that they are experiencing problems on my server, but I myself am not experiencing these problems, I try to look into it. I try to find others who have the same issues on the server, or try to find an explanation. I look for patterns in the problems that people report to me. Sure user error is always a possibility, but you can't exactly rule out every other possible cause. Surely user error cannot be the cause of all problems that people experience on a one single server.
I can say, with much confidence, that you will never be able to fix any server issues by simply choosing not to identify them, and instead putting the cause of the problem on the users themselves. However it is your choice to act in such a way, and it is not my place to be telling you (or anybody else) how to approach negative server feedback. Just know that a problem cannot be solved if it is not first identified as a problem.
And that is just from opening the webadmin console.
And the hardware that test server is run on is guaranteed to be as good as the best NS2 servers, so figure that as a 'best case' scenario.
And since I know someone will probably ask, it was run on a i7 4770k at 4.8ghz.
Please don't use webadmin on your servers when they are active, as a note to all server admins.
This is the worst idea for a server that I have ever heard in my life.
Why? A server exclusively for people w/ plenty of experience to play w/ other people w/ plenty of experience so as to avoid playing frustrating games w/ people w/ hardly any experience sounds like a decent enough idea to me.
A server exclusively for people w/ plenty of experience to play w/ other people w/ plenty of experience so as to avoid playing frustrating games w/ people w/ hardly any experience
No offense man, but if you're talking about your gorge hut, I never liked all the extra bells and whistles (mods) on your server. Also, the several times that I have joined your server in the past, I could almost never enjoy a real game. Always people screwing around, and some of the regulars I had seen in there repeatedly weren't very nice. That's fine, there should be a place for that, but for me it's strictly a personal game-play preference. You even said to me once during a game on your serv, the last time I was ever on it, in which I complained that not a single person on my team was trying to even play, "O no, people having fun on the internet?!" Sorry man, but since then, I'm not looking to waste my time on your serv, especially when it comes down to having time for one game before work or something like that. Again, nothin personal, I just look to get into real games when I try to play. Not saying they don't exist on your server, but in my experience, that's not been what I've encountered.
P.S. I'd really like to stay out of this recent back and forth between server mods, all I'm saying is when it comes down to it, it's nice to know there's a server I can go to to try to get some semi-legit matches in. Sure, stacks and shit games still happen on some of the 75+ and 250+ hr servers, but as far as filtering out total new meat, it works. The only issue I have with the 500+ hr serv is that it's difficult to find it populated. Also last week my ping was about 2 - 3 times higher than it normally is, but that seems to have mellowed out.
*EDIT: @Gibs, I'm always open to giving your server another shot, I'm not trying to be a dick at all here, just stating my experience.
It was filled with way too many mods before, which caused a lot of issues. Now it only runs Shine Admin, Custom HUD, Badges+, [Shine] Cross Spawns, and gorgehutswag (which is simply some .dds files for the Badges mod). Just so ya knows.
No offense man, but if you're talking about your gorge hut, I never liked all the extra bells and whistles (mods) on your server. Also, the several times that I have joined your server in the past, I could almost never enjoy a real game. Always people screwing around, and some of the regulars I had seen in there repeatedly weren't very nice. You even said to me once during a game on your serv, the last time I was ever on it, in which I complained that not a single person on my team was trying to even play, "O no, people having fun on the internet?!" Sorry man, but since then, I'm not looking to waste my time on your serv, especially when it comes down to having time for one game before work or something like that. Again, nothin personal, I just look to get into real games when I try to play. Not saying they don't exist on your server, but in my experience, that's not been what I've encountered.
It is very laggy, and lots of ping fluctuations. The tick rates range wildly also. Just something I noticed when I was on it the other day.
This is the worst idea for a server that I have ever heard in my life.
Why? A server exclusively for people w/ plenty of experience to play w/ other people w/ plenty of experience so as to avoid playing frustrating games w/ people w/ hardly any experience sounds like a decent enough idea to me.
I notice extra lagging late game that I didn't used to see on the servers until recent patches, webadmin? Maybe
And 2 cough, I know what you mean, I was on the server for the last time when gibs had some patch on where he wasn't taking damage as skulk - that's a no-go from me
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Are you using webadmin? It hinders server performance and overwrites config files, while offering nothing that cannot be done outside of webadmin. There is honestly no reason to be using it, unless you want to cause lag and config issues with your server.
For the most part, you are correct. It depends on what you use it for, actually. Server performance is also based on the type of machine running the server. Most people skimp on the type of server they run their game(s) on. They do this mainly for $$$, we don't.
It lags the server even while it's idle. You could use it for absolutely nothing, and it will still lag the server if it's open.
Everything "lags" the server; that an admin uses as a tool. The simple act of logging into Remote Desktop, lags server. A portal (if one is available), lags server. Every player that joins a game, causes some lag in a server. Creating 1 cyst causes lag, every entity created in game, causes lag. Everything that goes on, will create lag. I don't get your point. The only thing that matters, really; is the type of connection (bandwidth), and type of "box" used. There is absolutely nothing you can do, that won't "cause lag".
Gibs is sadly correct in this. The webadmin causes activly rubberbanding, no way how powerfull your hardware or bandwidth is.
Just open the webadmin with 2 clients at once and whatch the rubberbanding going on.
The only reason i see so far to use the webadmin is to force the server to download a mod without cycling the map all the time.
Sending commands to servers + getting more detailed server info, also done though webapi. Not sure whether it lags too, cause it's not rendering the GUI interface
I looked into your ban. You were smurfing under the name Bob Dole, and ban said "trolling, and using the N word".
ID: 5176141. Name: Bob Dole. Time remaining: Forever. Reason: trolling, and using the N word
That's what I was able to learn. Hope that answers your questions. I do not know who ban you, it doesn't say. It was done from WebAdmin, so it was executed by a Senior Admin.
Agreed on both fronts. As for "rubber banding", the only time that's ever an issue, is very late game (one that's been running a long long time, with a lot of entities), or when a server isn't restarted like it's suppose to. We restart our servers every day, during non-peek times.
Thanks for your observations, and comments.
That is just simply not true. Rubber banding is an issue at any point in a game, whether it is early game, mid-game, or late game. If the server has rubber banding, then it's an issue. Any disruption of server performance is an issue.
Using Webadmin at any point in time (even during pregame while there are only two players connected to the server) will cause rubber banding. This has been tested. The server will hang for a second whenever anything is done on Webadmin, and if Webadmin is left open for too long, the server's performance will suffer (due to Webadmin being open for so long, and memory leaks).
Also for the record I never took issue with people stopping to use DAK as an Admin mod - I clearly told anyone who asked that I did not have the time to dedicate to seriously developing it, especially when an alternative had come out which was much better suited.. DAK originally started back in ~B210 and was solely intended for use on a few servers, way before consistency checks or anything of that nature existed. The only real roadblock I remember was specifically regarding reserve slots, and my refusal to create a system which by default would allow users to fully load into a server only to be redirected to another server, or kicked.
Regardless, I have no desire to further derail this as I have my answer and said what I wanted to say.
You're welcome to have the last word on the subject. I've already stated what happens on my 8 servers. There is no need for me to repeat myself regarding it.
You were ban on hive 1, just so you know. I never had any discussions with you regarding reserve slots, and the first time I had seen any reserve slot system in NS2 was with Shine. Although, I did have a reserve slot, redirection system working perfectly in NS1. The problem with some mod developers, is their refusal to listen. For some reason, they think they are a few steps ahead of other people. It's a serious character flaw. In addition, there's no reason to "lash out at people" just because they make you mad, or you disagree (which happens like religion here all the time). It's just as easy to be civil, and have a discussion, as it is to be a pain in everyone's ass (which some find great pleasure in).
Our servers are played by many for several reasons. What's really telling is the number 1 reason players give for enjoying their stay at KingKahunaGames.com. It's also the number 1 reason, others dislike us the most. That is because of our rules, and enforcement of them. Unlike here on these forums, and many other game servers that have rules, we actually enforce our rules (although IronHorse tries hard). That's what our player base likes the most! The trolls, and asshats on the other hand, can't stand the fact, that we say what me mean, and mean what we say, and have absolutely no problems getting rid of trouble makers at a moments notice. We give no warnings, aside from of our posted rules. First sign of disrespectful behavior, or the use of the N word, POOF you're gone. People do NOT go to game servers to listen to a bunch of bickering, and verbal abuse. We kindly send those type of people on their merry way. In addition, we notice that same type of disrespectful/trolling behavior here on these forums, we have ban people for that also. Why the pre-emptive banning one may ask? Easy, if your behave in a crude way here, you'll do the same on our game servers (some get their entertainment by getting ban). It just makes it easy, and less problematic dealing with it now, than while other people are trying to have fun.
BTW - I appreciate your acknowledgment of your behavior on our servers. We don't just ban people for the sake of banning them. If you have been ban on our servers, most likely you deserved it. If we have a rogue admin, let me know. I'm easy to find. I'll correct it.
Have you tested it? Join one of your servers, then load up Webadmin on another machine. Click around on the GUI. Observe as your server cries out in pain while you tinker around with its insides. I'm really surprised that you have never noticed this happen before.
Having eight servers doesn't mean that you know more about NS2 servers than somebody who only has one.
Also I am not trying to have the last word (please, we're not children here) I am simply stating the facts regarding Webadmin and server performance.
Gibs, seriously? Of course we've tested it. Just because you say something doesn't make it so. Also, I have been running NS servers for 11 years. Using your "join date", that would put my experience ahead of yours by 10+ years. That in it's self doesn't mean I am "more knowledgeable" about NS2 servers. But, it would mean I know about it then you do. <-- period
You can have whatever facts you want. It doesn't change the reality of what we experience. You call whatever you want, so long as it makes you happy. I really don't care.
This is simply not true. Again, feel free to believe whatever you want. We have NEVER ban anyone for KDR. We have ban several hundred idiots for pubstomping on a ROOKIE ONLY server. Guilty as charged.
And before you say it, no, it was not during the late-game that I experienced the drop in quality. It is during the all-the-time game.
Lastly, I would like to point out that being more knowledgable and knowing more about something are one and the same.
"Also, I have been running NS servers for 11 years. Using your "join date", that would put my experience ahead of yours by 10+ years. That in it's self doesn't mean I am "more knowledgeable" about NS2 servers. But, it would mean I know about it then you do. <-- period"
You can pick and choose what I say, but if you take the context of my message, you'll learn that "experience itself" doesn't = knowledge (dumbing this down for you, as easily as I can), however, that 11 years of experience will indeed = I'm more "knowledgeable" about my own game servers than you are.
Don't worry, people take Bible passages out of context all the time too.
Regarding your claim, you can say anything you want about "rubber banding issues" on our servers, but many others have already posted disputing your claim. I would suggest, if you are having issues with "performance" on my servers, you might actually pause any porn you have running in the background, that could be your problem; Or, you are using a commodore 64, which is outdated, and can't really handle a game like NS2. Just a thought. Hopefully that will help improve your experience on our game server(s).
That all being said, I'm finished with you Gibs. You sir have a nice day. I'll not respond to any other messages from you.
I can say, with much confidence, that you will never be able to fix any server issues by simply choosing not to identify them, and instead putting the cause of the problem on the users themselves. However it is your choice to act in such a way, and it is not my place to be telling you (or anybody else) how to approach negative server feedback. Just know that a problem cannot be solved if it is not first identified as a problem.
And that is just from opening the webadmin console.
And the hardware that test server is run on is guaranteed to be as good as the best NS2 servers, so figure that as a 'best case' scenario.
And since I know someone will probably ask, it was run on a i7 4770k at 4.8ghz.
Please don't use webadmin on your servers when they are active, as a note to all server admins.
Since i cant play on the server with privat profile =(
Why? A server exclusively for people w/ plenty of experience to play w/ other people w/ plenty of experience so as to avoid playing frustrating games w/ people w/ hardly any experience sounds like a decent enough idea to me.
Have you never heard of my server?
No offense man, but if you're talking about your gorge hut, I never liked all the extra bells and whistles (mods) on your server. Also, the several times that I have joined your server in the past, I could almost never enjoy a real game. Always people screwing around, and some of the regulars I had seen in there repeatedly weren't very nice. That's fine, there should be a place for that, but for me it's strictly a personal game-play preference. You even said to me once during a game on your serv, the last time I was ever on it, in which I complained that not a single person on my team was trying to even play, "O no, people having fun on the internet?!" Sorry man, but since then, I'm not looking to waste my time on your serv, especially when it comes down to having time for one game before work or something like that. Again, nothin personal, I just look to get into real games when I try to play. Not saying they don't exist on your server, but in my experience, that's not been what I've encountered.
P.S. I'd really like to stay out of this recent back and forth between server mods, all I'm saying is when it comes down to it, it's nice to know there's a server I can go to to try to get some semi-legit matches in. Sure, stacks and shit games still happen on some of the 75+ and 250+ hr servers, but as far as filtering out total new meat, it works. The only issue I have with the 500+ hr serv is that it's difficult to find it populated. Also last week my ping was about 2 - 3 times higher than it normally is, but that seems to have mellowed out.
*EDIT: @Gibs, I'm always open to giving your server another shot, I'm not trying to be a dick at all here, just stating my experience.
It checks Hive Stats, NS2Stats, and your steam profile.
It was filled with way too many mods before, which caused a lot of issues. Now it only runs Shine Admin, Custom HUD, Badges+, [Shine] Cross Spawns, and gorgehutswag (which is simply some .dds files for the Badges mod). Just so ya knows.
So you admit it was the porn...
It is very laggy, and lots of ping fluctuations. The tick rates range wildly also. Just something I noticed when I was on it the other day.
I notice extra lagging late game that I didn't used to see on the servers until recent patches, webadmin? Maybe
And 2 cough, I know what you mean, I was on the server for the last time when gibs had some patch on where he wasn't taking damage as skulk - that's a no-go from me