[mreq] Some "older" Style Weaponry

catayst · January 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">im thinking M4 carbine w/ BETA-C mag</div> if your unfamiliar with the M4 carbine, or BETA-C mag then google em, but i think a little 9mm m4 with the beta mag would look AWESOME as a LMG, and maybe an m16 or something as HMG??? or a nice minigun ( i think the vulcan minigun looks a little puny) but yeah, thats just an idea.

Wolf_Kahler · January 2003

Beta-C mags are not 9mm. Beta-C mags fire your standard M16-style round, whatever the silly caliber is. 9mm M4's take 9mm bullets, so putting a Beta-C mag on one would be kind of redundant.

Kusanagi-sama · January 2003

well that kind of model can be fine but it dont suits NS (i think. . . )
anyways i think that the lmg skins look too powerfull for that tiny weapon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>

Chubbieboi · January 2003

a. M16A2's caliber round is 5.56mm rounds
b. go play CS i play NS casue i want futuristic stuff ^^

Crm_Grey · January 2003

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'>
hehehe, arnt m16's .45claiber thats 4.5cm

Neptalid · January 2003

What? I don't know where someone said that M16's were chambered for .45 cal ammunition, but .45 inches works out to about 11.43 mm, which is only 1.143 cm for those that don't know the metric system.

Chubbieboi · January 2003

umm .45 is the COLT 1911 M16 is 5.56mm like the Colt

Kusanagi-sama · January 2003

true.
like i said t00 0ld fashioned for NS
g0 play CS
we understand j00

SubliminalRage · January 2003

the M16 is a .223 calibur round, in Nato terms it is a 5.56mm

Wolf_Kahler · January 2003

.45 is what Thompsons fire. MP5's, et cetera, can fire that round, but it's a pistol round. Not a rifle round.

Chubbieboi · January 2003

yeh .45 ACP is for the Thompson, COLT 1911 and a few others but not MP5 =\

Dun_Leavy · January 2003

An Mp5 Shoots 9mm Rounds.

Neptalid · January 2003

I'm pretty sure there is an MP5 chambered for .45, yes I am aware of the existence of the UMP 45. There are thousands of variants of the MP5, although that is due to custom orders by tons of different countries. The MP5 is 9mm by default though.

Unknown · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Neptalid @ Jan 7 2003, 08:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I'm pretty sure there is an MP5 chambered for .45, yes I am aware of the existence of the UMP 45. There are thousands of variants of the MP5, although that is due to custom orders by tons of different countries. The MP5 is 9mm by default though.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Exactly. Many many variations of MP5, a few of which are accepted as MP5's. The standard is 9mm, though .45 MP5's definately are standard in some european countries, too. I have a MP5 9mm, I should post some pics.

catayst · January 2003

i know its not so futuristic, but maybe just weapons that are similar, and why not for the sake of looks put a BETA C mag on a 9mm weapon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Xanieth · January 2003

Because it's <b>retarded</b>. Go play CS if you want M4A1's with Beta-C mags. God, I hate those Beta-C mags. It's everyone's excuse to model an M-16 or deviant of it for a fuggin M249 Para.

And I honestly doubt that the weapons are similar. The LMG must have one hell of a round though. Look at that muzzle flash.

MCN00b · January 2003

not really...
the early CAR15's had huge muzzleflashes because of the short carbine barrel.
and yes, there is an mp5 variant chambered for .45 ammo
the mp5/10
having a betaC mag for one of these would be pretty dumb as the ammunition for it is much much bigger than the 5.56mm NATO standard, ergo, the Beta C would be about twice as large as the current M4/G36 betaC mags

Chubbieboi · January 2003

Wolf watcha doing in this thread ^^ <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

anyone know the last time this <a href='http://www.trottel-elite.de/ns/' target='_blank'>http://www.trottel-elite.de/ns/</a> has been updated?

Wolf_Kahler · January 2003

Not necessarily. There's only fifty rounds in the LMG, but a hundred in a Beta-C. I'd expect an M16's rounds to have more effect than the LMG's, though, so I don't see the LMG having "bigger" bullets [look how small the clip is in-game, and it's holding fifty rounds? they must be less than 9mm].

And yes, the XM177 [the earliest M16 "carbine," developped under the "CAR-15" project] had a rather large suppressor on the end, but its retort was still deafening and its flash still blinding. They removed the suppressor for export because they didn't want Israelis to have suppressors of any sort.

Still, a mag shaped like a Beta-C, but built for 9mm rounds, could probably hold closer to five hundred rounds than fifty.

Chubbie, I -was- active in the ToD customs community too. I like M4's, too, but I'm not sure I want to convert mine to this.

Chubbieboi · January 2003

huh wat did i do ahhhh /runs away and ponders on wat to say^^

wat did i do or say just said wat were u doing in here as a little j/k ^^ <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Xanieth · January 2003

Now that you mention it, the magazine for the LMG is really small. And it holds 50 rounds. No more than 9mm bullets. But then again, the mag looks a tad wide for 9mm so I'm thinking 7.92mm Mauser rounds.

Wolf_Kahler · January 2003

I wasn't mad at you, Chubbie. If I'd been mad, I might've been censored. But I wasn't. So it's okay.

I've got an interest in any serious ideas that float around here. I like to see how people think. The only things I'm not really interested in is the farm animal stuff. But that's just personal preference.

Private_Coleman · January 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (^catalyst @ Jan 7 2003, 10:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i know its not so futuristic, but maybe just weapons that are similar, and why not for the sake of looks put a BETA C mag on a 9mm weapon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
who the hell said that the lmg was 9mm anyway? or am I totally retarded because i skipped reading some posts...

Xanieth · January 2003

You are retarded for neglecting to read some posts. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Private_Coleman · January 2003

mama mia!

Smoke_Nova · January 2003

For a clip that small (LMG) to hold 50 rounds...I'd probably assume around 5mm...maybe in the future the humans have finally got to their senses and use the 5.7mm from the FN p90/ FN 5-7.

Anyone watch Stargate? Col. O'neill uses a p90 and it seems to do good so....

Anyone willing to take a P90 and futurize it a little?

catayst · January 2003

im not saying make a dead on m4 carbine or anything, its just i like the styling and thought others may like it also and maybe it could be futurised a litte. also i like the idea of a P90, but not that bullpup one from ghost in the shell, i think it looks funny.

Neptalid · January 2003

Essentially, a futuristic FN P90 is already being discussed in this <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=18764' target='_blank'>thread</a>. It's about the GITS 9Weapon, which sorta looks like a cross between a P90 and a FAMAS. No modellers/skinners yet for it AFAIK.

catayst · January 2003

yes, but thats the one i said was ugly and bullpup <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

MCN00b · January 2003

ehh? p90 is not bullpup then?

well, well well
whoever desireth a weapon9 and couldnt get it...
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Neptalid · January 2003

I was writing when you posted I think, and there are more hightech guns out there to model. I think that the K3 Bullpup, 5.75 AK74 mod for the Armenian military, might fit with NS if properly skinned. Then again, an ub3r s3xy FN 2000 would be far better. The HK OICW submission(the winner) would be nice too. Then there is the ill-fated HK G11, too bad that rifle never saw production.

[mreq] Some "older" Style Weaponry

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