<!--QuoteBegin--=DD=Wolf Kahler+Jan 7 2003, 07:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (=DD=Wolf Kahler @ Jan 7 2003, 07:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->.45 is what Thompsons fire. MP5's, et cetera, can fire that round, but it's a pistol round. Not a rifle round.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> NO NO NO. You guys all claiming "9mm11!!!!! .45OMFG!!!!" are all wrong.
Colt M16 and all variants produced by Colt are 5.56 mm.
H&K MP5 is 9mm EXCLUSIVELY.
H&K MP5/10 fires 10mm, which is essentially .45 police special. This was requested by US law enforcement to keep ammunition consistency.
H&K UMP is .45.
There are odd variants of the M16/AR-15 series that have been modified to fire .30, .45, and yes, even .50AE. I've even seen some custom ones that fire .50 BMG, which is a machine gun round.
<!--QuoteBegin--Neptalid+Jan 8 2003, 03:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Neptalid @ Jan 8 2003, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are thousands of MP5 variants, a few are rechambered fire .45. The vanilla MP5 itself is only 9mm, that is true.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "Thousands"?
<!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Jan 8 2003, 11:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Jan 8 2003, 11:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, the standard P90 looks cooler then the GITS p90.
The 5.7mm cartridge is more powerful then 9mm and it's cool cuz the standard P90 clip is 50 rounds...and the LMG clip is 50<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i disagree with you btw m-22 uses 5.7mm ^^
Notice how the eBay description says the kit needs the internal workings of an airsoft AUG. Hmmm...
And the P90 is bullpup. The receiver and firing mechanism are behind the trigger, almost right up against the shoulder. This allows the gun to have a nice, long barrel, compared to its profile, increasing accuracy a bit, and decreasing the bounce one experiences from recoil, because the recoil is in a position to be better controled.
No, I don't do airsoft stuff.
I think it's odd that the GitS rifle uses 5.7mm ammo in an M16-style clip. I'm sure they could've packed more rounds in to a P90-style clip, given the longer nature of the M22, but I guess that would make it more difficult to swap caliber's... It might also engender copyright infringement.
and that's why the REAL Fabrique Nationale Project 9.0 is much cooler IMHO.
50 round clip, little more powerful then 9mm, good recoil control, and very small. The coolest part IMHO is how the ammo system is built into the stock so you don't end up with the mp5's long stock.
5.7 is a different type of round, it has more armour penetration but less stopping power and the p90's mag is designed in such a way that it is very fragile, bump and the ammo feed is jammed
yes, it is an airsoft custom weapon, with the internals of an aug, which is readily available the problem with getting into airsoft is it is so damn expensive....
<!--QuoteBegin--MCN00b+Jan 9 2003, 02:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MCN00b @ Jan 9 2003, 02:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...the p90's mag is designed in such a way that it is very fragile, bump and the ammo feed is jammed<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And you would know this from what? Personal experience?
<!--QuoteBegin--MCN00b+Jan 9 2003, 04:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MCN00b @ Jan 9 2003, 04:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->nope, like almost everyone else, from user's websites around the internet<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yup. Everyone has a P90 nowadays.
Not. They are rare to obtain, as no police force/military force in the world has offically adopted them. Could I see your links please?
Some Belgian SWAT-type units have. I've seen pics of Israeli engagements where the officers had them also. A Belgian member of my clan lives right near the FN factory. P90's are in use. You don't see it much because it's not typical enough for your average Americans. They still can't let go of their silly Colt 1911.
And what makes you such an expert on MP5's and M16/AR-15's anyway, Vecdran? Why should we listen to you any more than anyone else? You need to cool your 'ttude, dude. Quit thinking everyone here is thirteen years old.
exactly, this topic was posted because a guy wants a request, not an arguement...so yea, like he said, so do it, or dont do it at all <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
as much as i love that skin, it wouldnt go for NS <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
oh shutup i consider them both <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--=DD=Wolf Kahler+Jan 9 2003, 01:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (=DD=Wolf Kahler @ Jan 9 2003, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Some Belgian SWAT-type units have. I've seen pics of Israeli engagements where the officers had them also. A Belgian member of my clan lives right near the FN factory. P90's are in use. You don't see it much because it's not typical enough for your average Americans. They still can't let go of their silly Colt 1911.
And what makes you such an expert on MP5's and M16/AR-15's anyway, Vecdran? Why should we listen to you any more than anyone else? You need to cool your 'ttude, dude. Quit thinking everyone here is thirteen years old.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm just wondering. I'm rather skeptical about some of his facts. Not trying to start a flamefest here.
Why do I know all of this?
I've fired several of the weapons I've mentioned, talked to many people who use them regularly, and read up on them from multiple different sources.
weapons like these belong in other mods... why the hell do you guys want to have all these pre-existing weapons when it's supposed to be the future and there are all kinds of conceptual weaponry waiting to be created?
I'm not trying to argue with anyone, i'm just seeing if anyone has made/is making/is willing to make a nice P90 with a few little futuristic touches, such as revamping the grip (not the pistol grip thing but the one on the top of the gun, where the ironsights would be) and that stuff.
I personally would think an AK47 revamped could exist, after all, look at the CZ-25 for Red Faction II.
And Vecdran was also on the Firearms forum...ya wanna know the intimate details of guns go to the FA forum, man, they get creepy with the amount of stuff they know.
Wow...its warm in here. Must be all the heated arguments and proposed flamings! *Ahem* Anyway...I'm surprised no one has brought it up yet, but what about the Seburro FNP90 made for CS? Its ergenomic, very futuristic looking, holds fifty rounds, and best of all: has no stupid useless scope. If you guys need good futuristic gun references...use some of Seburros. This guy knows his weaponry. Its all real firearms futurized..err...usually made wavy and natural looking with bullpup configs. They're quite good. In any case, guys...it would defeat that ugly-as-sin-looking Sten Wannabe that comes with the game. *shudders* Lets all just use what we want. If the guy wants an M4...let him have it. If you dont like it...dont use it. No one's going to force you. (although...Colt? Of all guns? COLT?!?! *shudders again*) So seriously...use Seburro if you want good futuristic guns NOT out of the Aliens series. Thanks for enduring my rant. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo--> <--- All Gorges can suck it, by the way <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
he mean the seburo mn23 replacement for the p90.. first.. the model is way to small ingame.. and second....the seburo mn23 is a non lethal weapon system... not a very good replacement for the p90
<!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Jan 9 2003, 02:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Jan 9 2003, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not trying to argue with anyone, i'm just seeing if anyone has made/is making/is willing to make a nice P90 with a few little futuristic touches, such as revamping the grip (not the pistol grip thing but the one on the top of the gun, where the ironsights would be) and that stuff.
I personally would think an AK47 revamped could exist, after all, look at the CZ-25 for Red Faction II.
And Vecdran was also on the Firearms forum...ya wanna know the intimate details of guns go to the FA forum, man, they get creepy with the amount of stuff they know.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyways...
I'm with the majority of the ppl here, let's keep this to 22/23/24/etc. century weaponry.
i agree with Vecdran want some older style guns go play CS <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> or FA
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NO NO NO. You guys all claiming "9mm11!!!!! .45OMFG!!!!" are all wrong.
Colt M16 and all variants produced by Colt are 5.56 mm.
H&K MP5 is 9mm EXCLUSIVELY.
H&K MP5/10 fires 10mm, which is essentially .45 police special. This was requested by US law enforcement to keep ammunition consistency.
H&K UMP is .45.
There are odd variants of the M16/AR-15 series that have been modified to fire .30, .45, and yes, even .50AE. I've even seen some custom ones that fire .50 BMG, which is a machine gun round.
"Thousands"?
There are like 20.
And no, trigger groupings do NOT count.
The 5.7mm cartridge is more powerful then 9mm and it's cool cuz the standard P90 clip is 50 rounds...and the LMG clip is 50
The 5.7mm cartridge is more powerful then 9mm and it's cool cuz the standard P90 clip is 50 rounds...and the LMG clip is 50<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i disagree with you
btw m-22 uses 5.7mm ^^
And the P90 is bullpup. The receiver and firing mechanism are behind the trigger, almost right up against the shoulder. This allows the gun to have a nice, long barrel, compared to its profile, increasing accuracy a bit, and decreasing the bounce one experiences from recoil, because the recoil is in a position to be better controled.
No, I don't do airsoft stuff.
I think it's odd that the GitS rifle uses 5.7mm ammo in an M16-style clip. I'm sure they could've packed more rounds in to a P90-style clip, given the longer nature of the M22, but I guess that would make it more difficult to swap caliber's... It might also engender copyright infringement.
50 round clip, little more powerful then 9mm, good recoil control, and very small. The coolest part IMHO is how the ammo system is built into the stock so you don't end up with the mp5's long stock.
and the p90's mag is designed in such a way that it is very fragile, bump and the ammo feed is jammed
yes, it is an airsoft custom weapon, with the internals of an aug, which is readily available
the problem with getting into airsoft is it is so damn expensive....
And you would know this from what? Personal experience?
Yup. Everyone has a P90 nowadays.
Not.
They are rare to obtain, as no police force/military force in the world has offically adopted them. Could I see your links please?
And what makes you such an expert on MP5's and M16/AR-15's anyway, Vecdran? Why should we listen to you any more than anyone else? You need to cool your 'ttude, dude. Quit thinking everyone here is thirteen years old.
i could slap on two cylinders for the cmag...
Just so you know. Not flaming or anything. A lot of people make that mistake.
And what makes you such an expert on MP5's and M16/AR-15's anyway, Vecdran? Why should we listen to you any more than anyone else? You need to cool your 'ttude, dude. Quit thinking everyone here is thirteen years old.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just wondering. I'm rather skeptical about some of his facts. Not trying to start a flamefest here.
Why do I know all of this?
I've fired several of the weapons I've mentioned, talked to many people who use them regularly, and read up on them from multiple different sources.
Never said I was an expert.
I personally would think an AK47 revamped could exist, after all, look at the CZ-25 for Red Faction II.
And Vecdran was also on the Firearms forum...ya wanna know the intimate details of guns go to the FA forum, man, they get creepy with the amount of stuff they know.
*Ahem*
Anyway...I'm surprised no one has brought it up yet, but what about the Seburro FNP90 made for CS? Its ergenomic, very futuristic looking, holds fifty rounds, and best of all: has no stupid useless scope.
If you guys need good futuristic gun references...use some of Seburros. This guy knows his weaponry. Its all real firearms futurized..err...usually made wavy and natural looking with bullpup configs. They're quite good.
In any case, guys...it would defeat that ugly-as-sin-looking Sten Wannabe that comes with the game. *shudders*
Lets all just use what we want. If the guy wants an M4...let him have it. If you dont like it...dont use it. No one's going to force you. (although...Colt? Of all guns? COLT?!?! *shudders again*)
So seriously...use Seburro if you want good futuristic guns NOT out of the Aliens series.
Thanks for enduring my rant.
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If anyone knows, please post the linkeh, i wanna get a FN based weapon scheme going...though the NS pistol has 1/2 the rounds of the 5-7
I personally would think an AK47 revamped could exist, after all, look at the CZ-25 for Red Faction II.
And Vecdran was also on the Firearms forum...ya wanna know the intimate details of guns go to the FA forum, man, they get creepy with the amount of stuff they know.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyways...
I'm with the majority of the ppl here, let's keep this to 22/23/24/etc. century weaponry.
*Edit* want both go play Desert Crisis