@Fleshmauler (and all the other ppl ironically demanding marines which are transgender and whatnot)
these kind of people rarely ever appear in games and if they do (i can only think of gender neutral) then it is obviously not in an oversexualized / offending way.
in case of women, the medial influence has gotten out of hand though. i also happen to know a woman suffering from anorexia. she used to visit clinic and from what she told me it seems the main reason for this disease is that women and girls don't consider themselves slim ("beautiful") enough. you might argue that this is just a minor, personal and extreme example. but how many women do you know which are actually 100% happy with how their body is shaped? you might say it's a women/girl thing, but i've come across various sources which brought up the influence of media as a serious problem in this case. i'm not saying you need to care about this, but you should at least respect attempts to deal with it.
and if you really think people are not influenced by media that much, would you (for example) still consider guns and swords as cool without all the movies and games presenting them in stylish ways?
Discussion in this thread and on another forum inspired me. There's not enough difference between the male marine exos and the female marine exos, so here's a quick mockup of some changes I'd like to see to the male marine exos.
theDarkFox Hugh will say to you just like he said in a private message to me. This is your first, last and only warning. If you continue to post insensitive and provocative sexist garbage on this form you will be permanently banned.
i know you are trolling but i honestly dont think adding balls to an exo does not make things look better visually but if that is your opinion i am not the one to remove all your images and cencure your opinions.
That we will leave to the developers. My picture had only parts of the female face showing though. So if you are trying to make some kind of point i am missing it.
Having been in the military myself, I can tell you that once all of the gear is on, there isn't too much difference in the appearance of male and female military personnel, at least when out in the field. Forget the tiny waist and bigger chest- camo, utility belts, canteens, ammo, backpack and everything else you have to carry obscures the outline. Height is about the only difference, in some cases. Why should there have to be an obvious difference between the female and male marines? So misogynists can purposefully harass the female players? Are we still in junior high? I think you've done an awesome job with the new female marine and hope that other game developers will soon follow your lead. I'm tired of having to put up with all of the T & A just because I love gaming. Go get a skin mag if you want that crap.
@Fleshmauler (and all the other ppl ironically demanding marines which are transgender and whatnot)
these kind of people rarely ever appear in games and if they do (i can only think of gender neutral) then it is obviously not in an oversexualized / offending way.
in case of women, the medial influence has gotten out of hand though. i also happen to know a woman suffering from anorexia. she used to visit clinic and from what she told me it seems the main reason for this disease is that women and girls don't consider themselves slim ("beautiful") enough. you might argue that this is just a minor, personal and extreme example. but how many women do you know which are actually 100% happy with how their body is shaped? you might say it's a women/girl thing, but i've come across various sources which brought up the influence of media as a serious problem in this case. i'm not saying you need to care about this, but you should at least respect attempts to deal with it.
and if you really think people are not influenced by media that much, would you (for example) still consider guns and swords as cool without all the movies and games presenting them in stylish ways?
men are also affected by this, think about the amount of men thinking they have an small penis, need to have giant muscles, need to be hairless etc. i can relate to the ns2 male marine more than other characters because he's slim with a micro penis.
We're recruiting women now?! Hell yeaaaaaah! Only women with Cs and down lmao jk don't hurt me... I'm sure it's the same with men, chop it off if it doesn't fit when you put on your armor lvl3.
Why should there have to be an obvious difference between the female and male marines?
Why should there have to be an obvious difference between skulk and onos? or lerk and fade?
why not every model like the male marine?...i want to see a visual difference between the classes otherwise it feels like its the same content, or we would all end up playing marines vs marines in the end. Who says female marine model is only for the female marine players, the onos is not made for people who are onoses in real life and everyone can still become one in the game, so why not make the female marine accessable to any one playing the game that way the balance would be restored and it would maby be even more female marines than males. I would wanna have mixed teams in every game not 1 female model per 100 public players ratio.
Why should there have to be an obvious difference between the female and male marines?
Why should there have to be an obvious difference between skulk and onos? or lerk and fade? why not every model like the male marine?...
...the onos is not made for people who are onoses in real life and everyone can still become one in the game, so why not make the female marine accessable to any one playing the game...
Dat logic...it HURTS and BURNS!
...Who says female marine model is only for the female marine players...
Well, duh, female models are made for female gamers in first place. At least that is what I think.
...make the female marine accessible to any one playing the game that way the balance would be restored...
Oh, where is the 'male model' accessible to women than, if you are so interested in balance? Oh wait, it's called "female model"! Everyone gets one model (besides black armor *envy*), end of story.
While we are talking of balance. The female model has to be somewhere in the borders of the male model because the same hit-boxes are used to be fair or so to say balanced.
...I would wanna have mixed teams in every game not 1 female model per 100 public players ratio.
Guess what, me too. But that is up to the gamers how they want to represent themselves, non of your business. Though I would like an option to randomize gender if allowed by the client.
And you are not restricted to the male model either, you can use the female model all day long. You only restriction is that it is not feminine enough for YOU (and some others who are 100% men?)! I didn't hear so much or any(?) complains from women.
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Your logic is out of this world.
Yes, the female model is made primary for WOMEN, big surprise!
No, you can't have a second female model due to time, costs and fairness reasons (hit-box)!
The female model is accessible to everyone, it's just that YOU don't like it. Well, get used to it!
Why should there have to be an obvious difference between the female and male marines?
Why should there have to be an obvious difference between skulk and onos? or lerk and fade?
why not every model like the male marine?...i want to see a visual difference between the classes otherwise it feels like its the same content, or we would all end up playing marines vs marines in the end. Who says female marine model is only for the female marine players, the onos is not made for people who are onoses in real life and everyone can still become one in the game, so why not make the female marine accessable to any one playing the game that way the balance would be restored and it would maby be even more female marines than males. I would wanna have mixed teams in every game not 1 female model per 100 public players ratio.
Even if whatever you just said made any sense at all, the skulk and the onos are different lifeforms, or 'classes', and therefore need to have different visuals, but the male and female marines aren't a different class, just a different skin.
"Female marines receive brand new first person view-models, one for each of the three model types."
While I am happy the female marine is FINALLY making it into the game I am left wondering why the male marine model (Black Armor) still has a green armor hand while females get a new model to match the armor? I don't suppose a small color change to the male marine arm armor for first person is asking too much?
@Fleshmauler (and all the other ppl ironically demanding marines which are transgender and whatnot)
these kind of people rarely ever appear in games and if they do (i can only think of gender neutral) then it is obviously not in an oversexualized / offending way.
in case of women, the medial influence has gotten out of hand though. i also happen to know a woman suffering from anorexia. she used to visit clinic and from what she told me it seems the main reason for this disease is that women and girls don't consider themselves slim ("beautiful") enough. you might argue that this is just a minor, personal and extreme example. but how many women do you know which are actually 100% happy with how their body is shaped? you might say it's a women/girl thing, but i've come across various sources which brought up the influence of media as a serious problem in this case. i'm not saying you need to care about this, but you should at least respect attempts to deal with it.
and if you really think people are not influenced by media that much, would you (for example) still consider guns and swords as cool without all the movies and games presenting them in stylish ways?
No I don't need to respect the attempt to deal with it, because it isn't a real issue. People like to draw things they way they think, or want them to be; videos being a "legitimate cultural influence" included. There is nothing wrong with the over-sexualization of men or women, as it has been a practice carried for thousands of years in the historic art of every culture I can think of.The media, is similar to the economy; they don't simply sell goods no one wants, or else no one would buy them. With that reasoning, if no one wanted to see sex or violence, no one would, and perhaps only a nich market would exist for those that did.
I respect a company more for its work than any attempts to portray their fanfare of (nearly a year) late models of female frag fargets and their "average" cruves/armor. As for people not being happy with how they look? I tend to try to avoid women petty enough that have NOTHING else to worry about, that carry it to the point of a "disease", though I always enjoy the company of those that keep their physical appearance in mind.
All said I love this game, the model looks great, don't try to be e-crusaders who will show the entire world the true light with your "legitmate cultural influences."
Just a post-thought, why are you bringing up guns and swords in a game about shooting/stabbing stuff? It weakens your arguement about how good this game is for influencing us against media norms. I would consider guns and swords cool regardless, perhaps due to a mix of biological and parental factors unique to me; do to my familly having a military history including the Russian Revolution, World War One, The Great Partiotic War (WW2), and the Soviet-Afghanistan War; so your's is a weak counter example.
There wasn't a single emoticon on the list provided, to express the amount of happyface I have right now.
...I think I need to go get my face checked out, it's inhuman to have this much happyface.
On the flipside, bravo to the devs! I adore and appreciate the realism approach, as stated many times in this thread... if people want sexualized women, heh.. there's plenty of pornography/fantasy-games/sites and such to sate their needs. Not every universe has to be perverse, and I'm happy this isn't one of them.
Besides, I find men AND women in believable uniform to be attractive; it screams 'duty' and not 'desk job'. It means they're fit for the role, it means they're actively contributing and not being a liability (or a distraction). Usually when this is the case, it often means they're a lot funner to wrestle with intimately; you can't really be noodle-armed up on the fronts. -- I don't know about the others, but THAT has a better chance at turning me on, rather than a shirtless guy hacking down everything (Though 300 was pretty fun to watch...)
In addition? People need to realize thicker women are a hell of a lot more fun than starved supermodels (in relation to how this female marine should look.) :P But I guess everyone has their own preferences, which I can respect hehe.
SO YEAH! Big thumbs up to the devs, I can't wait for this to hit! ^^
Black armour should be available for all (for a price) for a limited time. Otherwise I call sexism! Letting blokes get to pick the black armour marine and not girls! :O
I just don't see why this should be restricted to people who already got their reward. I would have bought the preorder special edition if this was included. I was following NS2 back then and was considering it, but figured "nah I don't really care about a male black armour marine". This would have been very different
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these kind of people rarely ever appear in games and if they do (i can only think of gender neutral) then it is obviously not in an oversexualized / offending way.
in case of women, the medial influence has gotten out of hand though. i also happen to know a woman suffering from anorexia. she used to visit clinic and from what she told me it seems the main reason for this disease is that women and girls don't consider themselves slim ("beautiful") enough. you might argue that this is just a minor, personal and extreme example. but how many women do you know which are actually 100% happy with how their body is shaped? you might say it's a women/girl thing, but i've come across various sources which brought up the influence of media as a serious problem in this case.
i'm not saying you need to care about this, but you should at least respect attempts to deal with it.
and if you really think people are not influenced by media that much, would you (for example) still consider guns and swords as cool without all the movies and games presenting them in stylish ways?
i know you are trolling but i honestly dont think adding balls to an exo does not make things look better visually but if that is your opinion i am not the one to remove all your images and cencure your opinions.
That we will leave to the developers. My picture had only parts of the female face showing though. So if you are trying to make some kind of point i am missing it.
men are also affected by this, think about the amount of men thinking they have an small penis, need to have giant muscles, need to be hairless etc. i can relate to the ns2 male marine more than other characters because he's slim with a micro penis.
Damn no wonder my LMG can't kill those pesky aliens.
Why should there have to be an obvious difference between skulk and onos? or lerk and fade?
why not every model like the male marine?...i want to see a visual difference between the classes otherwise it feels like its the same content, or we would all end up playing marines vs marines in the end. Who says female marine model is only for the female marine players, the onos is not made for people who are onoses in real life and everyone can still become one in the game, so why not make the female marine accessable to any one playing the game that way the balance would be restored and it would maby be even more female marines than males. I would wanna have mixed teams in every game not 1 female model per 100 public players ratio.
Well, duh, female models are made for female gamers in first place. At least that is what I think.
Oh, where is the 'male model' accessible to women than, if you are so interested in balance? Oh wait, it's called "female model"! Everyone gets one model (besides black armor *envy*), end of story.
While we are talking of balance. The female model has to be somewhere in the borders of the male model because the same hit-boxes are used to be fair or so to say balanced.
Guess what, me too. But that is up to the gamers how they want to represent themselves, non of your business. Though I would like an option to randomize gender if allowed by the client.
And you are not restricted to the male model either, you can use the female model all day long. You only restriction is that it is not feminine enough for YOU (and some others who are 100% men?)! I didn't hear so much or any(?) complains from women.
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Even if whatever you just said made any sense at all, the skulk and the onos are different lifeforms, or 'classes', and therefore need to have different visuals, but the male and female marines aren't a different class, just a different skin.
Emphasis on even if.
While I am happy the female marine is FINALLY making it into the game I am left wondering why the male marine model (Black Armor) still has a green armor hand while females get a new model to match the armor? I don't suppose a small color change to the male marine arm armor for first person is asking too much?
So who do you addressing with "you"?
- UWE, who finally implement the long time promised female model. If so, your complains are a little bit late!
- Or do you mean the bold assumptions how a woman has to look like? In that case I am completely with you.
If you didn't want argue with any of the above mentioned I honestly don't know what you want or who you are talking to?EDIT: typo
No I don't need to respect the attempt to deal with it, because it isn't a real issue. People like to draw things they way they think, or want them to be; videos being a "legitimate cultural influence" included. There is nothing wrong with the over-sexualization of men or women, as it has been a practice carried for thousands of years in the historic art of every culture I can think of.The media, is similar to the economy; they don't simply sell goods no one wants, or else no one would buy them. With that reasoning, if no one wanted to see sex or violence, no one would, and perhaps only a nich market would exist for those that did.
I respect a company more for its work than any attempts to portray their fanfare of (nearly a year) late models of female frag fargets and their "average" cruves/armor. As for people not being happy with how they look? I tend to try to avoid women petty enough that have NOTHING else to worry about, that carry it to the point of a "disease", though I always enjoy the company of those that keep their physical appearance in mind.
All said I love this game, the model looks great, don't try to be e-crusaders who will show the entire world the true light with your "legitmate cultural influences."
Just a post-thought, why are you bringing up guns and swords in a game about shooting/stabbing stuff? It weakens your arguement about how good this game is for influencing us against media norms. I would consider guns and swords cool regardless, perhaps due to a mix of biological and parental factors unique to me; do to my familly having a military history including the Russian Revolution, World War One, The Great Partiotic War (WW2), and the Soviet-Afghanistan War; so your's is a weak counter example.
My comments are aimed at the people that think a woman has to look a cretin way...
Who the F cares?!
Now we just need options other than pasty white
...I think I need to go get my face checked out, it's inhuman to have this much happyface.
On the flipside, bravo to the devs! I adore and appreciate the realism approach, as stated many times in this thread... if people want sexualized women, heh.. there's plenty of pornography/fantasy-games/sites and such to sate their needs. Not every universe has to be perverse, and I'm happy this isn't one of them.
Besides, I find men AND women in believable uniform to be attractive; it screams 'duty' and not 'desk job'. It means they're fit for the role, it means they're actively contributing and not being a liability (or a distraction). Usually when this is the case, it often means they're a lot funner to wrestle with intimately; you can't really be noodle-armed up on the fronts. -- I don't know about the others, but THAT has a better chance at turning me on, rather than a shirtless guy hacking down everything (Though 300 was pretty fun to watch...)
In addition? People need to realize thicker women are a hell of a lot more fun than starved supermodels (in relation to how this female marine should look.) :P But I guess everyone has their own preferences, which I can respect hehe.
SO YEAH! Big thumbs up to the devs, I can't wait for this to hit! ^^
just made an account here to say a BIG thank you to the dev team,
I am a woman and I am truly happy to see this female model !!
She is awesome!!
I agree with you Neurivita...
at least in Natural Selection 2 I will play a real female figther!
THANK YOU!!
I just don't see why this should be restricted to people who already got their reward. I would have bought the preorder special edition if this was included. I was following NS2 back then and was considering it, but figured "nah I don't really care about a male black armour marine". This would have been very different