Well, aside from all your personal insults of which there are many, I'll address your concerns Zomb3h.
An admin is present to maintain the quality of the game. When someone is hindering the quality of the game (Or for a specific community, violating the rules that are clearly stated), that's the admin's responsibility to eliminate.
In the specific case against Mr. Obama, i was asked by no less than four teammates why someone was mic-spamming and two of the teammates were asking if there was an admin present. At this point, I politely asked Mr. Obama to stop microphone spamming and informed him it was against the server policies. There was no action taken against him.
Regarding your supposed incident of "Rage kicking" a music-playing Ready-roomer... Yes. I'll do that. Because the onus of responsibility for what comes out of your microphone is on you, not on the people you are obliging to listen to whatever you choose to play. Sure, we have a mute button.... doesn't mean you should be authorized to blare whatever you want over your microphone.
Ever been in your home when your neighbor is playing incredibly loud music? Yes, you can get earplugs. Doesn't mean he's not a 'Troll' for forcing YOU to take action because of THEIR irresponsibility and disregard for common courtesy.
Now, I realize this breaks tradition, but i'll just refrain from insulting you back. I'm genuinely sorry you find my administration to be heavy-handed, although I'd urge you actually analyze the situations where I take action (which is VERY rare, mind you) and appreciate that what I do, I do to keep the games decent, balanced, and full.
When the game has no complaints, and no one having problems, I have no problems either.
When someone's playing speeches on their microphone and I have people petitioning teamchat to stifle him... the spammer's in the wrong, not them.
Thanks for your time (And apparently, your hatred. Good to know. Don't really care.),
-Colt.
Yes, because the neighbor blasting music/earplug analogy is appropriate.
You're playing a game with gunshots, explosions, and screaming aliens. This game is a social game with voice communication and the easy option to mute anyone. If clicking the mouse button once over a guys name who is playing short obama voice clips feels as much as an inconvenience to you as putting ear plugs in, then I wonder how you get by playing online video games. I'd want to be a server admin just like you too so I could take care of all these "trolls".
Yes, because the neighbor blasting music/earplug analogy is appropriate.
You're playing a game with gunshots, explosions, and screaming aliens. This game is a social game with voice communication and the easy option to mute anyone. If clicking the mouse button once over a guys name who is playing short obama voice clips feels as much as an inconvenience to you as putting ear plugs in, then I wonder how you get by playing online video games. I'd want to be a server admin just like you too so I could take care of all these "trolls".
Just because it's the internet doesn't mean a total lack of decency and lack of basic courtesy is acceptable; every person in the game shouldn't have to mute out the spamming, the spamming shouldn't be allowed in the game, and I'm proud to say I do my part to ensure it isn't.
An admin is present to maintain the quality of the game
Regarding your supposed incident of "Rage kicking" a music-playing Ready-roomer... Yes. I'll do that.
An admin is present to maintain the quality of the game
Regarding your supposed incident of "Rage kicking" a music-playing Ready-roomer... Yes. I'll do that.
Pick one.
That doesn't really explain why it's justified to kick someone who isn't bothering anyone. You're blatantly enforcing on a part of a game that has no effect on the "quality of the game" whatsoever. It's why a "READY ROOM" is a ready room for a reason.
Just because it's the internet doesn't mean a total lack of decency and lack of basic courtesy is acceptable
In other words, what people do for fun doesn't align with your definition of fun. Got it.
every person in the game shouldn't have to mute out the spamming
Yeah, just like how every person in the world shouldn't have to deal with evil, corruption, greed, arrogance, officiousness, etc. It's basic humanity, deal with it. Or in your case, learn how NOT to deal with it.
every person in the game shouldn't have to mute out the spamming
Oh so now you're deciding how people should run their game? What if they don't want to mute the spamming? Why does everything have to circulate around you?
the spamming shouldn't be allowed in the game, and I'm proud to say I do my part to ensure it isn't.
You can be proud all you want, that doesn't validate or justify any of your actions.
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edited July 2013
@zomb3h
Yes, a person sitting in the ready room effects any game, to a degree based on the player count.
No, the word "fun" is not a universal pass for any behavior.
Yes, he controls any and all aspects of the server *he pays for *
No, i cant tell if you're actually being serious..
:-\
Having briefly read through your posts via your profile, and seen the ample hostility with which you approach everyone and everything, the snippy and childish commentary and banter you use, and the overall immaturity of your wording... have a great big cup of
agree with Colt... I mean it's kinda funny I guess, for the first 5 seconds. Incredibly irritating after that, especially so if people are asking you to stop and you don't. And I bet you 90% of the playerbase has no idea you can actually mute people, let alone how to do it.
All the soundboards I remember so fondly laughing at in NS1 were played in the readyroom, not during a match. Spamming mic during matches with nonsense is just bad manner.
agree with Colt... I mean it's kinda funny I guess, for the first 5 seconds. Incredibly irritating after that, especially so if people are asking you to stop and you don't. And I bet you 90% of the playerbase has no idea you can actually mute people, let alone how to do it.
All the soundboards I remember so fondly laughing at in NS1 were played in the readyroom, not during a match. Spamming mic during matches with nonsense is just bad manner.
I agree with Colt too. And apart from the random Aliens sound byte, or other situationaly appropriate sound byte played randomly throughout the game, at an appropriate time; I would not condone mic spamming. Constant over use is not acceptable. There is a big difference between, in the final minutes of the game as you are being overrun by the aliens to hear Hudson scream "Game over man; game OVER!" and every bit of communication from a single player being sound bytes.
The "It's a pub" tripe isn't valid either; though no one has played that tired card. Pubs are where the majority of players actually play. You can't be so arrogant to think that since it isn't a scheduled match for some ladder or league that all bets are off.
One liners here and there during a game I would find funny but it stops being funny if you spam it or give speeches like some one said you were doing. People shouldn't have to mute you to enjoy the game. I thought the video was funny but I could see how you can easily get too trolly with it. When your trolling starts affecting other people on your teams game in a bad way its just time to stop.
@torak rant is talking about after the round starts vs ready room antics. Not comp vs pub.
One liners here and there during a game I would find funny but it stops being funny if you spam it or give speeches like some one said you were doing. People shouldn't have to mute you to enjoy the game. I thought the video was funny but I could see how you can easily get too trolly with it. When your trolling starts affecting other people on your teams game in a bad way its just time to stop.
@torak rant is talking about after the round starts vs ready room antics. Not comp vs pub.
I got that; that's why I said "though no one has played that tired card". It was a preemptive strike.
Having briefly read through your posts via your profile, and seen the ample hostility with which you approach everyone and everything, the snippy and childish commentary and banter you use, and the overall immaturity of your wording... have a great big cup of
In regards to recent posting referring to patch 250, don't be surprised by my hostility, let alone members from the community regarding the patch. Should I sugar-coat all of my comments for you and blindly agree to everything this forum posts? Or is it because you're only roaming your elite inner circle (who seem to be the only ones backing you coincidently) in the Veterans forum to not notice the hostility in the General forums in the past month?
Or you can not change the subject at hand, with which you still fail to address/justify in light of your unreasonable ready-room kicking, and recognize the primary complaint. You can kick for all the "right" reasons, but kicking for all the wrong, trivial reasons outweigh any authoritative integrity you have.
@zomb3h
Yes, a person sitting in the ready room effects any game, to a degree based on the player count.
The case I posted before was a full server of 24 players with 3-4 people, including me and the mic-spammer-in-question. Explain how listening to the music in the readyroom effects the game in that case, let alone different and distinguishable, from simply not mic-spamming, and just talking/discussing about the previous match.
Should we just remove the ready-room altogether now? It seems like any discussion/antics that is done in ready-room isn't being encouraged.
All the soundboards I remember so fondly laughing at in NS1 were played in the readyroom, not during a match. Spamming mic during matches with nonsense is just bad manner.
All the soundboards I remember so fondly laughing at in NS1 were played in the readyroom, not during a match. Spamming mic during matches with nonsense is just bad manner.
@zomb3h
Yes, a person sitting in the ready room effects any game, to a degree based on the player count.
No, the word "fun" is not a universal pass for any behavior.
Yes, he controls any and all aspects of the server *he pays for *
No, i cant tell if you're actually being serious..
:-\
If people have an issue, you know you can mute in less than 2 seconds right? Some of us find it hilarious. The option is there, don't choose not to use it then get pissed off because you didn't.
19 people shouldn't have to bend to the will of some asshole, it should be the other way around. The mute button is a fallback option, not a solution for a disruptive player. Someone that's spamming the mic is also likely not actually playing the game either and a mute button doesn't address that either. Someone else's parentally neglected screwup is not our responsibility.
If people have an issue, you know you can mute in less than 2 seconds right? Some of us find it hilarious. The option is there, don't choose not to use it then get pissed off because you didn't.
19 people shouldn't have to bend to the will of some asshole, it should be the other way around. The mute button is a fallback option, not a solution for a disruptive player. Someone that's spamming the mic is also likely not actually playing the game either and a mute button doesn't address that either. Someone else's parentally neglected screwup is not our responsibility.
Might just want to remove the mute button then, because people shouldn't be causing players to need to mute in the first place right?
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An admin is present to maintain the quality of the game. When someone is hindering the quality of the game (Or for a specific community, violating the rules that are clearly stated), that's the admin's responsibility to eliminate.
In the specific case against Mr. Obama, i was asked by no less than four teammates why someone was mic-spamming and two of the teammates were asking if there was an admin present. At this point, I politely asked Mr. Obama to stop microphone spamming and informed him it was against the server policies. There was no action taken against him.
Regarding your supposed incident of "Rage kicking" a music-playing Ready-roomer... Yes. I'll do that. Because the onus of responsibility for what comes out of your microphone is on you, not on the people you are obliging to listen to whatever you choose to play. Sure, we have a mute button.... doesn't mean you should be authorized to blare whatever you want over your microphone.
Ever been in your home when your neighbor is playing incredibly loud music? Yes, you can get earplugs. Doesn't mean he's not a 'Troll' for forcing YOU to take action because of THEIR irresponsibility and disregard for common courtesy.
Now, I realize this breaks tradition, but i'll just refrain from insulting you back. I'm genuinely sorry you find my administration to be heavy-handed, although I'd urge you actually analyze the situations where I take action (which is VERY rare, mind you) and appreciate that what I do, I do to keep the games decent, balanced, and full.
When the game has no complaints, and no one having problems, I have no problems either.
When someone's playing speeches on their microphone and I have people petitioning teamchat to stifle him... the spammer's in the wrong, not them.
Thanks for your time (And apparently, your hatred. Good to know. Don't really care.),
-Colt.
You're playing a game with gunshots, explosions, and screaming aliens. This game is a social game with voice communication and the easy option to mute anyone. If clicking the mouse button once over a guys name who is playing short obama voice clips feels as much as an inconvenience to you as putting ear plugs in, then I wonder how you get by playing online video games. I'd want to be a server admin just like you too so I could take care of all these "trolls".
Just because it's the internet doesn't mean a total lack of decency and lack of basic courtesy is acceptable; every person in the game shouldn't have to mute out the spamming, the spamming shouldn't be allowed in the game, and I'm proud to say I do my part to ensure it isn't.
-Colt
That doesn't really explain why it's justified to kick someone who isn't bothering anyone. You're blatantly enforcing on a part of a game that has no effect on the "quality of the game" whatsoever. It's why a "READY ROOM" is a ready room for a reason.
In other words, what people do for fun doesn't align with your definition of fun. Got it.
Yeah, just like how every person in the world shouldn't have to deal with evil, corruption, greed, arrogance, officiousness, etc. It's basic humanity, deal with it. Or in your case, learn how NOT to deal with it.
Oh so now you're deciding how people should run their game? What if they don't want to mute the spamming? Why does everything have to circulate around you?
You can be proud all you want, that doesn't validate or justify any of your actions.
-Coltficious
Work on your analogies btw.
Yes, a person sitting in the ready room effects any game, to a degree based on the player count.
No, the word "fun" is not a universal pass for any behavior.
Yes, he controls any and all aspects of the server *he pays for *
No, i cant tell if you're actually being serious..
:-\
Having briefly read through your posts via your profile, and seen the ample hostility with which you approach everyone and everything, the snippy and childish commentary and banter you use, and the overall immaturity of your wording... have a great big cup of
Peace.
-Colt
All the soundboards I remember so fondly laughing at in NS1 were played in the readyroom, not during a match. Spamming mic during matches with nonsense is just bad manner.
Not worth any effort responding to him :>
I agree with Colt too. And apart from the random Aliens sound byte, or other situationaly appropriate sound byte played randomly throughout the game, at an appropriate time; I would not condone mic spamming. Constant over use is not acceptable. There is a big difference between, in the final minutes of the game as you are being overrun by the aliens to hear Hudson scream "Game over man; game OVER!" and every bit of communication from a single player being sound bytes.
The "It's a pub" tripe isn't valid either; though no one has played that tired card. Pubs are where the majority of players actually play. You can't be so arrogant to think that since it isn't a scheduled match for some ladder or league that all bets are off.
@torak rant is talking about after the round starts vs ready room antics. Not comp vs pub.
I got that; that's why I said "though no one has played that tired card". It was a preemptive strike.
You might want to blow this a few times.
In regards to recent posting referring to patch 250, don't be surprised by my hostility, let alone members from the community regarding the patch. Should I sugar-coat all of my comments for you and blindly agree to everything this forum posts? Or is it because you're only roaming your elite inner circle (who seem to be the only ones backing you coincidently) in the Veterans forum to not notice the hostility in the General forums in the past month?
Or you can not change the subject at hand, with which you still fail to address/justify in light of your unreasonable ready-room kicking, and recognize the primary complaint. You can kick for all the "right" reasons, but kicking for all the wrong, trivial reasons outweigh any authoritative integrity you have.
The case I posted before was a full server of 24 players with 3-4 people, including me and the mic-spammer-in-question. Explain how listening to the music in the readyroom effects the game in that case, let alone different and distinguishable, from simply not mic-spamming, and just talking/discussing about the previous match.
Should we just remove the ready-room altogether now? It seems like any discussion/antics that is done in ready-room isn't being encouraged.
Oh wait.. Opps its just because marines have built obs everywhere. My bad
Actually...
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19 people shouldn't have to bend to the will of some asshole, it should be the other way around. The mute button is a fallback option, not a solution for a disruptive player. Someone that's spamming the mic is also likely not actually playing the game either and a mute button doesn't address that either. Someone else's parentally neglected screwup is not our responsibility.
Might just want to remove the mute button then, because people shouldn't be causing players to need to mute in the first place right?