Isn't the texture quality of spark engine fantastic?

MisterYoonMisterYoon Join Date: 2012-08-18 Member: 155747Members
I find it fantatsic, wanna just know if you guys also think like that.

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  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Looks great even on lowest settings.
  • MisterYoonMisterYoon Join Date: 2012-08-18 Member: 155747Members
    i find it on lowest setting kind of similar(of course ns2 has far more polygons) to Doom3, which was at that time shocking with texture qualities.
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    Easily my most favorite thing of spark. Especially considering the washed out stuff pc players typically get today from console ports.
  • YMICrazyYMICrazy Join Date: 2012-11-02 Member: 165986Members
    Ya I enjoy it. Most of it looks good even up close vs blurry on other games. Especially on descent. Good thing the spark engine isn't to blame for performance issues for most people. It gives the game a unique look which would not have happened if the game was made on another engine. One of the reasons I play NS2 is become I enjoy the look/style.
  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Yeah, what also impresses me the most is that the game's style pretty much matches the concept art perfectly. Most other games have a huge disconnect between the concept art and the actual game, but in NS2 this is not so. Kickass art direction all around.
  • lwflwf Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58311Members, Constellation
    Do you mean NS2? I have not noticed Spark doing anything noteworthy with textures.
  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    I don't really know about engines and whatnot, but I gotta say the whole NS2 look is very, very consistent. I can't remember anything feeling out of place.
  • bizbiz Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167386Members
    not when you divide it by performance...
  • ResRes Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20245Members
    biz wrote: »
    not when you divide it by performance...

    which has not much to due with the engine itself...... but the actual game logic.
  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    edited March 2013
    Honestly no, the textures I have aren't especially impressive, they're as high res as I would expect from a modern game developed for PC, but not especially high resolution or anything.

    I've made/seen better textures in source, honestly, and that's nearly a decade old. Material systems don't seem to really have advanced overmuch other than in terms of usability from a development standpoint. Source is a pain to work for because you have to reload the game every time you change it, spark can do it on the fly as I recall. Both I would assume are capable of rendering perfectly good textures.

    But other than that yeah, slightly blurry if you actually look at it but good enough, you don't want to waste memory after all. The recent patch added better speculars, seems like it uses phong or something similar to add shininess when lit at extreme angles. Supports bump/normal mapping. Normal for games, so far as I know. Not sure why it's exceptionally good? It seems normal, using normal shading techniques and the necessary resolution for a modern game. You can make higher res textures though it'd be unnecessary in most situations.

    The art style is nice though that doesn't have much to do with the engine.
  • rmbrown09rmbrown09 Join Date: 2012-10-17 Member: 162592Members
    Imagine if NS2 had gone with the source engine.
    Definitely something that would have been doable. We see it's versatility in Dota 2, CSGO.
    CSGO actually has relatively similar map sizes, player counts etc.

    Perhaps years of development time would have been saved, and of course because it's the source engine it would have run amazingly well even on potato machines. I understand in the long term having the engine built in house will allow them to lease it out and license it to perhaps make a profit, but in terms of direct relation to the game itself I feel that using the source engine would have been better for the game, worse for the company as a whole.

    Oh wells.
  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    edited March 2013
    I... don't think that would have made any difference to the texture quality.

    Like I said, I have made better textures in source, but I wouldn't suggest doing that constantly. Very high res textures are wasteful other than on feature geometry. Something that is the focus of attention can have a good texture, everything else should have good enough textures.

    Spark does everything source does, except maybe detail maps (little scratch/dust layers which add the semblance of high res to low res textures) so I don't think source would be any better for texturing.

    About the only thing that would help is some sort of revolutionary new rendering method (such as tessellation or parallax mapping or suchlike, which source doesn't do) or the ability to render astonishingly high resolution textures easily.

    Or maybe something like megatexturing that id software used, I think that has a bunch of other limitations though which would make it bad for the very animated alien environments.

    Spark is... well, normal as far as textures go, so far as I can tell. So is source, if a little old fashioned in its development support for texturing.
  • Smug_LobsterSmug_Lobster Join Date: 2009-06-22 Member: 67903Members
    The art direction is amazing in NS2 imho
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    rmbrown09 wrote: »
    Imagine if NS2 had gone with the source engine.
    Definitely something that would have been doable. We see it's versatility in Dota 2, CSGO.
    CSGO actually has relatively similar map sizes, player counts etc.

    Perhaps years of development time would have been saved, and of course because it's the source engine it would have run amazingly well even on potato machines. I understand in the long term having the engine built in house will allow them to lease it out and license it to perhaps make a profit, but in terms of direct relation to the game itself I feel that using the source engine would have been better for the game, worse for the company as a whole.

    Oh wells.
    If I recall, Spark was something that Max had been working on for a long time as a hobby or something, and development on Source was actually dropped in favor of Spark partway into the development of the game.

    Having full source code control over the engine allows for a lot of flexibility in development, and a full license where you can access the source code to the Source engine is very expensive, I would imagine.

    I doubt they would've been able to implement the Lua interpreter in Source either, which they chose to promote an active modeling community.

    But on topic, the textures NS2 are pretty good. It is a game that was developed for PC so they are higher resolution textures than most of the console to PC ports that people play now days.
  • MisterYoonMisterYoon Join Date: 2012-08-18 Member: 155747Members
    I find it as a challenge, and i think Spark was kind of success, only LUA code must be a bit of failure.

    Whether to use popular engine or to create a brand new engine, it's not just related to financial or practical problems, but also to passion and achievement of creation. Probably NS2 has lost lots of players etc. cos' of basical technical problems, but do you really think NS2 would have got so many interests and prizes, if UWE chose it to make with source engine? There are thousands of mods and games made by source, and being one of them cannot be never that special than being just the only one. Have you seen a game made by source which got more honor and popularity than Half-Life 2?
  • DestherDesther Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165195Members
    Source still uses old tech(baked lighting and vis data). It feels like Spark is a leap forward but we have to wait a while before the performance costs for deferred rendering and dynamic occlusion culling becomes negligible.
  • RippsyRippsy Join Date: 2013-01-16 Member: 179921Members
    I noticed this in a vaguely irrelevant moment in Control on ns2_veil, when I realized there was a few pages of litter around and wondered if I could read what was on them...
  • FarknutFarknut Join Date: 2013-03-18 Member: 184065Members
    It's good enough but nothing special for a modern game.
  • ResRes Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20245Members
    Farknut wrote: »
    It's good enough but nothing special for a modern game.

    Most modern games actually have worse textures because they are developed for a console first and foremost......
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