Deaf Commander is not wanted?
Napkin2
Join Date: 2013-01-01 Member: 177006Members
Join Date: 2013-01-01 Member: 177006Members
Hello, Marines and Aliens
My steamname is Napkin in NS2. I am not just one of guys come out and whine to flood up the forum. I just wanted to come here and tell the situation i've been experiencing a struggle of being a commander to serve for team in either Aliens or Marines. A struggle is is that i am unable to use mic as unable to hear team's voices. In many matches, i tried to be commander and told them to type not mic because i am deaf. Most of the times, they were like "uhh oh my ######, let's kick him out, we cant afford having muted commander..." I am truly frustrating for how it work in a teamwork. This often happen in Marines' side.
Otherwise, In Aliens' side, almost everyone rush down and busy zerging over marines and it doesn't require them to do something for a commander. Of course, indeed, i made clearly that i am unable to hear. they don't mind since i do great work. So, i did; won many matches, i knew i am talented to do great work at commanding. Even, Alien commander's orders are so much easy. It's much easier to communicate with them by pinging with specifc orders such as "Threat!", "Expend!", stuff like that. They obeyed easier. I find that tool is very useful for commander's communication. I don't see anything in Marine commander. I think it should be added like Alien commander's ping tools.
I know you have to click marine players to tell them to move, repair, blah blah like that. Tell you, it's much harder to click them while they r running and jumping wildly lol.
Back to the point, I am asking why players require a commander able to talk and hear the voice from them? i know the communication is important but can't they just accept other way of communicating by pressing M to ping whatever it is? Can't they just type? they can just type in short word like "rg", "reg gen", "arm", "orb" or stuff like that? i can understand what they mean. Also, i'd like to know some specific explanations why marines wanted a commander who can talk/hear? Also, some tips for what stuff would they wanted to tell a commander to do? I am just really looking forward to work with you guys to sorta this out. Thanks!
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My steamname is Napkin in NS2. I am not just one of guys come out and whine to flood up the forum. I just wanted to come here and tell the situation i've been experiencing a struggle of being a commander to serve for team in either Aliens or Marines. A struggle is is that i am unable to use mic as unable to hear team's voices. In many matches, i tried to be commander and told them to type not mic because i am deaf. Most of the times, they were like "uhh oh my ######, let's kick him out, we cant afford having muted commander..." I am truly frustrating for how it work in a teamwork. This often happen in Marines' side.
Otherwise, In Aliens' side, almost everyone rush down and busy zerging over marines and it doesn't require them to do something for a commander. Of course, indeed, i made clearly that i am unable to hear. they don't mind since i do great work. So, i did; won many matches, i knew i am talented to do great work at commanding. Even, Alien commander's orders are so much easy. It's much easier to communicate with them by pinging with specifc orders such as "Threat!", "Expend!", stuff like that. They obeyed easier. I find that tool is very useful for commander's communication. I don't see anything in Marine commander. I think it should be added like Alien commander's ping tools.
I know you have to click marine players to tell them to move, repair, blah blah like that. Tell you, it's much harder to click them while they r running and jumping wildly lol.
Back to the point, I am asking why players require a commander able to talk and hear the voice from them? i know the communication is important but can't they just accept other way of communicating by pressing M to ping whatever it is? Can't they just type? they can just type in short word like "rg", "reg gen", "arm", "orb" or stuff like that? i can understand what they mean. Also, i'd like to know some specific explanations why marines wanted a commander who can talk/hear? Also, some tips for what stuff would they wanted to tell a commander to do? I am just really looking forward to work with you guys to sorta this out. Thanks!
Please keep this discussion thread clean.
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Lol, yes i changed to dolan cuz this avatar is same in my steam profile. Yes i understand what you are talking about. I admit, i think i do react fast too. i Just quickly look over them location to location in mini-map. i do watch over their health and ammo. Tell ya, i saved many, many marines' lives from dying lol. Tell me what were critical info they were likely to type out?
That's a significant disadvantage for your team. You should avoid being commander.
If you want to continue commanding, you need to be one of the best commanders ever. Don't count on your team to accommodate you. Instead, constantly be looking at the minimap and your marines (or aliens) to anticipate their needs.
If you had the ability to do that, though, I'd bet you just be doing that instead of making this post.
To answer your question though: No -- deaf commander is not wanted. Especially if you ask your FPS players to change their habits to accommodate you. If you want to commander, you need to overcome your inability to hear to the point where your FPS players can't even tell.
Do you think i am trolling? Tell me how am i trolling? If i was trolling, i wouldn't waste my ###### in making this thread.
Ya, take a look at my second post, i do look over marines in minimap constantly. i care them by gunning a ######load of medics/ammos over their heads.
I ask you a straight question, Do you think Marine commander's communication tool is lacking? doesn't have a tool like Alien commander do?
sure, what can i do for you? just fu your mother? sure, will do
No; it's fine. There are waypoints, some automatically generated, and when you click certain structures they even issue commands like 'defend.' In addition, the game supports text/voice.
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I'm just putting two and two together here man. If that's not a troll post, then it's one of the most stupid I've ever read on this forum.
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I like to believe that people don't need to be hand held to understand that they need to cap RTs and put pressure on hive locations.
In competitive play, in some situations the 'field leader' usually does more talking than the commander, and the commander acts accordingly.
Ah, indeed, i see your point, i simply ask a question to find a simple answer. if it was a specific reason such as marines ragin out impatience for reg nodes' spawning late? or what? if yes, i could put some focus on that location or whatever like that. to shut their whining mouth.
I like to believe that people don't need to be hand held to understand that they need to cap RTs and put pressure on hive locations.
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Ah, now i am taking a sigh of relief... Gratz, i am not only one, thanks.
thats probably why people think people without mics can't comm
I think you did the right thing by stating up front that you wont be able to hear instructions if its not by text
Personally i wouldn't mind a commander that is deaf, just as I dont' mind a new rookie commander.
As long as they're doing the right things and communcating (even via text) then all good.
Maybe there are laws catering to accessibility for deaf people and you could sue UW :P
<!--quoteo(post=2054518:date=Jan 2 2013, 12:11 AM:name=SentrySteve)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SentrySteve @ Jan 2 2013, 12:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2054518"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No; it's fine. There are waypoints, some automatically generated, and when you click certain structures they even issue commands like 'defend.'<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's also worth noting that you can set waypoints from IPs (select the IP(s), right click somewhere), so spawning marines instantly get an order.
And don't try to click moving marines to select them; you should be able to draw a box over them. It doesn't matter if you get structures as well (unless it's a robo factory or IP or something that <i>does</i> have waypoints, in which case you'll need to remember to reset them).
What I do in games where the commander has no mic is that I will be a 'floor commander'. I don't take over from the commander (he still makes his decisions) but I will take care of watching the map and calling out incomings and other threats. I'll also repeat orders over the mic from what I read in text in case someone misses it. With that done the commander can focus on a more narrow task of taking care of tech and determining which way he wants to expand/attack.
I really don't think there is any replacement for someone speaking and using their voice though.
What might be helpful would be to set up some binds that will post certain things to chat in a single keypress. However I haven't been able to get it to work using the console commands listed in the wiki.
Ya, Alien comm is so easy! but strangely, I can comm Aliens easy without using orders/pings tool. it is very MUST for marine commander. i wish i could switch that to marine =p
If someone states up front they can't hear/are deaf and wants to Comm, the other players should have no qualms with it. However, if the other players are adamant about wanting a comm that can hear/use mic, then you should be willing to step aside for them.
Of course like the others have said, not typing out anything and just playing comm, most people probably wouldn't even notice.
This man speaks the truth. Especially in pubs, if people are getting what they want and winning, they could care less if the comm remains silent for the majority of the game. But then there's the issue with people using audio cue pings and mic....
If someone states up front they can't hear/are deaf and wants to Comm, the other players should have no qualms with it However, if the other players are adamant about wanting a comm that can hear/use mic, then you should be willing to step aside for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're obviously not an expert on social science then. But, ok. If you want to talk about people with 'stunted perceptions', lets talk about the people that RELY on microphones. It's a compound word. cyber-bully!
This is a combat orientated game and it is of no surprise that it attracts some people with aggressive intentions/personalities. Even to the extent that groups like clans and even just friends on LAN or arranged can use the power of numbers to silence and overwhelm someone who has been 'ostrisized'.
The ONLY solution I can <u>perceive</u> is that ejection no longer occurs. If the person takes command it is his right to play out his role/right/responsibility in the game as commander. If he chooses to stand down he can (which would happen if he remains outside chair for 15 seconds).
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This is a combat orientated game and it is of no surprise that it attracts some people with aggressive intentions/personalities. Even to the extent that groups like clans and even just friends on LAN or arranged can use the power of numbers to silence and overwhelm someone who has been 'ostrisized'.
The ONLY solution I can <u>perceive</u> is that ejection no longer occurs. If the person takes command it is his right to play out his role/right/responsibility in the game as commander. If he chooses to stand down he can (which would happen if he remains outside chair for 15 seconds).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about?... most of what you said had nothing to do with what I posted.
It's basically to your favour that your deaf. Saves you the effort of having to mute every annoying backseat commander.
And basically what syknik said.
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A persons ability to command has no relevance to the physical disabilities they have IRL. Even a blind person might posees the technology to accurately relay the data the game transmits! It's superfluous..
What counts is that the game dynamics work WITHOUT a mic.
A harmless way to test this would be to have a (micless) server.
On a personal note, I don't want to hear anybodys voices. And I presume noone wants to hear mine, so I use my mic sparingly.
The game <i>can</i> go on without anyone using a mic. Problem is, most people are oblivious and lack "gamesense" and thus some talking over the mic is definitely appreciated.
99% of my talking over the mic is something that should already be known through the mini-map (where the enemy is attacking). Seems to me that not many pubbers use the map, so voice is often needed to say "hey, our base is bein' sacked bro"
If I had been playing with you for a while and I knew your disability was legitimate, or if you had buddies on the server as well backing you up, then I'd be more patient.
Your best bet is to play as a regular somewhere where other players can get to know you better and advocate for you when you want to be more brave stepping into roles of more responsibility with a handicap to communication.
You want to make converts of at least a significant chunk of respected players in the community, post a video of yourself on you tube signing something NS2 related. At very least if you catch one of us in a server then we'll come to bat for you when you hop in the chair.