Anti-cheat severely needed

kaobasakaobasa Join Date: 2012-11-01 Member: 165591Members
edited December 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
I may be wrong but it appears as though this game has no way to fight against cheaters. I decided to come back to this game today since I had time and the first server I log into clearly has someone cheating. 47-6 seems rather high. So is there anything in the future for this game to combat against cheaters? Would be nice.
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  • lwflwf Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58311Members, Constellation
    NS2 supposedly has VAC but I'm not sure if it's fully enabled.
  • Racer1Racer1 Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9615Members
    - VAC was added a few patches back.
    - Consistency checking is enabled by default.
    - Server admins can ban players if desired.
    - Beyond that, I'm sure UW is continually looking at ways to make the game better and less prone to exploiting and hacking.

    So, based on these facts, what <i>else</i> do you suggest happen?
  • PummelPummel Join Date: 2012-11-23 Member: 172973Members
    no one with 1500+ hours of gametime needs cheats against skulks walking in the middle of the corridor straight to his enemy...

    im so bored of those he had 60 - 1 stats thats impossible..
  • kaobasakaobasa Join Date: 2012-11-01 Member: 165591Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043706:date=Dec 11 2012, 10:16 AM:name=Pummel)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pummel @ Dec 11 2012, 10:16 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043706"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->no one with 1500+ hours of gametime needs cheats against skulks walking in the middle of the corridor straight to his enemy...

    im so bored of those he had 60 - 1 stats thats impossible..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    When they're consistently popping you with one shot with the shotty in hiding without knowing you're there from across the room and no scans it tends to raise an eye brow.
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=2043709:date=Dec 12 2012, 05:22 AM:name=kaobasa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kaobasa @ Dec 12 2012, 05:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043709"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When they're consistently popping you with one shot with the shotty in hiding without knowing you're there from across the room and no scans it tends to raise an eye brow.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Doesn't mean they're cheating though. Some people are at that level, people just can't accept it because <95% players aren't.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043709:date=Dec 11 2012, 01:22 PM:name=kaobasa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kaobasa @ Dec 11 2012, 01:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043709"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When they're consistently popping you with one shot with the shotty in hiding without knowing you're there from across the room and no scans it tends to raise an eye brow.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Depends how consistently. Good players know most of the good hiding spots. You usually can't just hide somewhere and expect to not be seen. Hacks can't make the shotgun consistent at range any more than skill can.
  • ToastieToastie Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167351Members
    I had a 58-5 CO game a couple days back I was pretty proud of, and no I wasn't cheating (finally a legitimate post to brag about this in!). And I see K/D's like this all of the time in CO. In classic... usually K/D's don't get quite so high, but it certainly does happen, just depends on the length of the game and the skill of the players.
  • SixtyWattManSixtyWattMan Join Date: 2004-09-05 Member: 31404Members
    47-6 isn't a hacker score.
  • Omar - The WireOmar - The Wire Join Date: 2012-11-01 Member: 165320Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043701:date=Dec 11 2012, 10:08 AM:name=kaobasa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kaobasa @ Dec 11 2012, 10:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043701"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I may be wrong but it appears as though this game has no way to fight against cheaters. I decided to come back to this game today since I had time and the first server I log into clearly has someone cheating. 47-6 seems rather high. So is there anything in the future for this game to combat against cheaters? Would be nice.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you use the name "Doc"? I had that exact same score and someone said it wasn't possible except for being "assisted". Laughable.
  • SolaritySolarity Join Date: 2012-11-13 Member: 170515Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    It is not hard to get great scores on this game compared to other games. I usually start out well and my k:d will increase or decrease if we are winning or loosing. If you have all the upgrades vs a team that doesn't then it is not hard. The more I learn about this game the better I do. As well as the other team skill can greatly increase or decrease my ratio.

    If you don't do anything to improve yourself or adapt to a situation, then it is hard to break through that glass cieling.
  • TechercizerTechercizer 7th Player Join Date: 2011-06-11 Member: 103832Members
    edited December 2012
    Here we go again. I was wondering how long it was until another witch hunt started up.

    Back in my day, people would have been flamed out of the forums for making claims like this without damning proof to back them up. Grumble grumble rabble rabble...
  • SyknikSyknik InversionNS2.com Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2064Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    In most games as marines that i'm playing in, by the 10 minute mark if i'm just going out for kills, i have about 20+ kills. While people are straggling at the back with 5-6. Marines need to learn to be more aggressive. More aggressive = more kills, makes it so that aliens are focusing on you rather than expanding or biting RTs.
  • BurdockBurdock Join Date: 2012-08-27 Member: 156553Members
    edited December 2012
    When I really try 60 - 6 is not uncommon at all and i'm not nearly on the level of some of the other competitive players.
    So if some has more then a 30 K/D there probably from Arc,Nxzl,exe,all-in........ or some other clan.

    And remember some of us have been playing this game for years!
  • AM|Angry_AGAINAM|Angry_AGAIN Join Date: 2012-11-24 Member: 173061Members
    back in my days everyone postet screens from their world first kills....
    and then came cataclysm and nobody want post their world first kills because they uses massiv exploiting........
    and so back in this day this guys say "i play 3 times in a row 40:1 warmup games befor clanmatch" and nobody post a video of this...
    and no, records dosnt count we wanna see fraps, with your prozess table and all shown mods in your client and then start the game, join a rnd UWE server and play 3 rounds 40:1.

    Until this.
    KKTHXBB
  • irEricirEric Join Date: 2012-11-20 Member: 172615Members
    I know that feel. However in this kind of game it's commonly possible to achieve those scores. Several factors to consider such as alien skill level, weapon upgrades, marines properly baiting, no recoil.
  • MavickMavick Join Date: 2012-11-07 Member: 168138Members
    I've only seen one (imo) confirmed cheater on my server since release. And I spent a good 20 minutes before I was sure. I don't think it's as prevalent as people think. And I really, really hate when people just base it off a score.
  • GamerkatzeGamerkatze Join Date: 2012-06-27 Member: 153711Members
    edited December 2012
    if you are a server admin you can use the "enhanced" ensl consistency check config. it blocks everything except for crosshair and minor hud mods. it also blocks out texture hacks etc. not 100% sure about aimbot though :/
    {
    "check": [ "game_setup.xml", "*.lua", "*.screenfx", "*.surface_shader", "*.fxh", "*.render_setup", "*.shader_template", "*.fsb", "*.dds", "*.material", "*.level", "*.cinematic", "*.fx" ]

    "ignore": [ "crosshairs.dds", "crosshairs-hit.dds", "exosuit_HUD1.dds", "exosuit_HUD4.dds", "*.tga", "materials/descent/descent_wall_02_a.material", "materials/descent/descent_floor_01_a.material" ]}
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043804:date=Dec 11 2012, 03:18 PM:name=AM|Angry_AGAIN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AM|Angry_AGAIN @ Dec 11 2012, 03:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043804"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->back in my days everyone postet screens from their world first kills....
    and then came cataclysm and nobody want post their world first kills because they uses massiv exploiting........
    and so back in this day this guys say "i play 3 times in a row 40:1 warmup games befor clanmatch" and nobody post a video of this...
    and no, records dosnt count we wanna see fraps, with your prozess table and all shown mods in your client and then start the game, join a rnd UWE server and play 3 rounds 40:1.

    Until this.
    KKTHXBB<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Back in my day half the competitive community of NS had been banned from servers for "hacking". Because pub stars are idiots who can't tell the difference between skill and hacks even when it's blatantly obvious, and server admins are only slightly above them. Produce evidence if you're going to make claims.

    Until this.
    KKTHXBB

    Nub.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043872:date=Dec 11 2012, 04:04 PM:name=Gamerkatze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gamerkatze @ Dec 11 2012, 04:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043872"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->if you are a server admin you can use the "enhanced" ensl consistency check config. it blocks everything except for crosshair and minor hud mods. it also blocks out texture hacks etc. not 100% sure about aimbot though :/
    {
    "check": [ "game_setup.xml", "*.lua", "*.screenfx", "*.surface_shader", "*.fxh", "*.render_setup", "*.shader_template", "*.fsb", "*.dds", "*.material", "*.level", "*.cinematic", "*.fx" ]

    "ignore": [ "crosshairs.dds", "crosshairs-hit.dds", "exosuit_HUD1.dds", "exosuit_HUD4.dds", "*.tga", "materials/descent/descent_wall_02_a.material", "materials/descent/descent_floor_01_a.material" ]}<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Aimbots and hook based wallhacks get around this.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    I really don't think cheating is a big issue in NS. In all the hours I've played in pubs I <i>think</i> I may have seen one cheater, but I can't be sure. (Score was something like 77-1 with decent people playing)

    Even then, in longer games these kinds of scores are possible. I'm not even that great a player and I can push 40-50 kills in 45-1 hour games with not so many deaths.

    If I can do it, I can see how some of the really great players must look like they are cheating.
  • GamerkatzeGamerkatze Join Date: 2012-06-27 Member: 153711Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043875:date=Dec 11 2012, 10:07 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 11 2012, 10:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043875"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Aimbots and hook based wallhacks get around this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    still better than the default check config ;)
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043883:date=Dec 11 2012, 04:13 PM:name=Gamerkatze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gamerkatze @ Dec 11 2012, 04:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043883"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->still better than the default check config ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want people to be able to use custom shotgun models, and replace the axe with a CS knife, and give gorges cute eyes... then unfortunately, as a server admin, you'll have to sacrifice strict consistency checking.

    I agree with you however. If you highest concern is anti-exploit (as it needs to be for competitive matches), this is an option you always have.
  • LucianLucian Join Date: 2004-01-09 Member: 25193Members, Constellation
    I can understand the OP's frustration. It can be unfortunate when a highly skilled player comes into a server, but there isn't another one on the opposite team to balance things out. On a 32-player TF2 server, this effect would be hardly noticeable, but on a 16-player NS2 server it can be a problem.
  • AM|Angry_AGAINAM|Angry_AGAIN Join Date: 2012-11-24 Member: 173061Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043873:date=Dec 11 2012, 02:06 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 11 2012, 02:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043873"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Back in my day half the competitive community of NS had been banned from servers for "hacking". Because pub stars are idiots who can't tell the difference between skill and hacks even when it's blatantly obvious, and server admins are only slightly above them. Produce evidence if you're going to make claims.

    Until this.
    KKTHXBB

    Nub.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Oh you got several records of your 100:1 pub raping sessions?
    Feel free to rent your own server for competive players and ban every noob that disturbed your gameplay. Have fun to keep it vital.
    Or show a prof that you are not hacking if somebody complains about you....
    So pls link me your twich.tv channel. Your ESL profil. Your youtube acc with 100 vids of 100:1 pubraping sessions. Hackprof with wireframe ectpp.

    Oh you cant?
    pls tell me more about how pro you are...
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBgmEQjIo48" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBgmEQjIo48</a>
    Pro like those guys?
    They are competitive, they are ESL, nooooo thats all skill....

    kkthxbb noob
  • nezznezz Join Date: 2012-12-11 Member: 174712Members
    i've seen 1 blatant wall hacker. Nil aimbotters.
  • RobustPenguinRobustPenguin Join Date: 2012-08-17 Member: 155719Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043788:date=Dec 11 2012, 08:06 PM:name=Burdock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burdock @ Dec 11 2012, 08:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043788"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When I really try 60 - 6 is not uncommon at all and i'm not nearly on the level of some of the other competitive players.
    So if some has more then a 30 K/D there probably from Arc,Nxzl,exe,all-in........ or some other clan.

    And remember some of us have been playing this game for years!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And alot of those very good players use smurf names in pubs, which is quite annoying.
  • turtsmcgurtturtsmcgurt Join Date: 2012-11-01 Member: 165456Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=2043788:date=Dec 11 2012, 12:06 PM:name=Burdock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Burdock @ Dec 11 2012, 12:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043788"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When I really try 60 - 6 is not uncommon at all and i'm not nearly on the level of some of the other competitive players.
    So if some has more then a 30 K/D there probably from Arc,Nxzl,exe,all-in........ or some other clan.

    And remember some of us have been playing this game for years!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    because every competent player cares enough about this game to play it competitively?
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2043894:date=Dec 11 2012, 04:23 PM:name=AM|Angry_AGAIN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AM|Angry_AGAIN @ Dec 11 2012, 04:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043894"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh you got several records of your 100:1 pub raping sessions?
    Feel free to rent your own server for competive players and ban every noob that disturbed your gameplay. Have fun to keep it vital.
    Or show a prof that you are not hacking if somebody complains about you....
    So pls link me your twich.tv channel. Your ESL profil. Your youtube acc with 100 vids of 100:1 pubraping sessions. Hackprof with wireframe ectpp.

    Oh you cant?
    pls tell me more about how pro you are...
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBgmEQjIo48" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBgmEQjIo48</a>
    Pro like those guys?
    They are competitive, they are ESL, nooooo thats all skill....

    kkthxbb noob<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm not saying hacking doesn't happen in the competitive community. I'm saying the NS competitive community has been absused far too long. Onus of proof is on accusers, not victims of accusation. I can never prove I'm not hacking, because I could always just turn on the hacks as soon as the videos over.

    I get 40-15 FPS in NS2, The game's still fun for me, but I'm far from being able to play my best. Even with my FPS this bad I have had many games where I'm 2-1 score, and I'm VERY far from a great player in this game.

    <a href="http://youtu.be/wj8x9jF_trM" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/wj8x9jF_trM</a>

    Here's a good example what a decent albeit not godly player can do in this game.
  • turtsmcgurtturtsmcgurt Join Date: 2012-11-01 Member: 165456Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited December 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2043875:date=Dec 11 2012, 01:07 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Dec 11 2012, 01:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2043875"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Aimbots and hook based wallhacks get around this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <img src="http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/11737840,width=190,height=190/You-Don-t-Say-.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    edit: i meant to edit my first post to put this in but completely failed at maneuvering around these forums and clicking stationary objects :(
  • AxehiltAxehilt Join Date: 2003-09-12 Member: 20796Members
    I got a few hack accusations over the weekend. Good times!

    It's been surprising how much 7.1 headphones and caffeine helped my already solid FPS aiming.
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