Ground Lerking

ImbalanxdImbalanxd Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104581Members
in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Is it just me or is this seriously effective</div>So because Lerks don't really collide with walls any more, you can get a really fast belly slide-esque thing going on. Its obviously been possible ever since the collision change went in, but I don't see many Lerks throwing it into their evasive manoeuvres. Trust me, there is nothing more unexpected than a lerk flying straight down into the ground and sliding out of the room at close to the speed of light.
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  • xDragonxDragon Join Date: 2012-04-04 Member: 149948Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    Its because the onground check specifically was coded to ignore if your gliding as a lerk, why they made it this way is pretty dumb but the lerk has had quite a few buffs to make the flight model not punish you when you make mistakes.
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030335:date=Nov 20 2012, 01:23 PM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Nov 20 2012, 01:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030335"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Its because the onground check specifically was coded to ignore if your gliding as a lerk, why they made it this way is pretty dumb but the lerk has had quite a few buffs to make the flight model not punish you when you make mistakes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ... I must try this. :D
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  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    i must fix this
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  • thefonzthefonz Join Date: 2011-06-22 Member: 105847Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030593:date=Nov 20 2012, 06:01 PM:name=Sewlek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sewlek @ Nov 20 2012, 06:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030593"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i must fix this<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ######, I have been enjoying this.

    I feel its an accidental bug so that lerks dont stop dead if they bounce off the ground by accident. Try ground lerking with a little more angle down, and you stop dead. On second thought, maybe its more like Bhop in NS1.

    regardless, I hope you find a good fix. Just try not to screw lerks who skim close to the ground. (I find diving low throws off many marines who expect lerks to go up and away.)
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  • BicsumBicsum Join Date: 2012-02-27 Member: 147596Members, Reinforced - Gold
    edited November 2012
    It has been like this since 222. I even made a video back then :>.

    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=121905&hl=" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...=121905&hl=</a>

    edit: might be something different though, idk
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  • RabidWeaselRabidWeasel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5337Members
    It feels like you go faster when you do this but it might be an optical illusion from the floor being right next to you. It's pretty fun though!
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  • HeatSurgeHeatSurge Some Guy Join Date: 2012-09-15 Member: 159438Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=2030313:date=Nov 20 2012, 12:08 PM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Nov 20 2012, 12:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030313"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->flying straight down into the ground and sliding out of the room at close to the speed of light.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ... wat. Is this something new in 230? Never seen this before lol.
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  • kastkast Join Date: 2003-11-13 Member: 22791Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2030593:date=Nov 20 2012, 06:01 PM:name=Sewlek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sewlek @ Nov 20 2012, 06:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030593"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i must fix this<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    INCOMING LORK NERF
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  • maritzmaritz Join Date: 2008-10-08 Member: 65152Members
    You pretty much just press and hold space once from the ground and instantly go down to the floor again. You then accelerate to 13.2 speed in like 1 second and can keep it forever, unless you get unlucky on stairs or run headfirst into a wall/rock/marine.

    I'm eager to implement lerk races now.
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  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
    Friction is for losers.
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  • ChickenOfWarChickenOfWar Join Date: 2003-04-09 Member: 15352Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030335:date=Nov 20 2012, 02:23 PM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Nov 20 2012, 02:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030335"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Its because the onground check specifically was coded to ignore if your gliding as a lerk, why they made it this way is pretty dumb but the lerk has had quite a few buffs to make the flight model not punish you when you make mistakes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I remember when you'd come to a complete dead stop if you were gliding about and you even slightly brushed against something under you. No better way to get blasted apart by a shottie than stopping while sporing.
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  • ImbalanxdImbalanxd Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104581Members
    The lame thing is that, while this is pretty silly for sliding along floors in open rooms, I really like the way it works in vents.
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  • HeatSurgeHeatSurge Some Guy Join Date: 2012-09-15 Member: 159438Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Sounds pretty imbalanxd to me xD.
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  • SkwareSkware Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58125Members
    Outside of this, do lerks feel slower in the air to anyone in this patch?
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  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=2030868:date=Nov 20 2012, 11:40 PM:name=maritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (maritz @ Nov 20 2012, 11:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030868"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You pretty much just press and hold space once from the ground and instantly go down to the floor again. You then accelerate to 13.2 speed in like 1 second and can keep it forever, unless you get unlucky on stairs or run headfirst into a wall/rock/marine.

    I'm eager to implement lerk races now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i intend to fix this, so you would only accelerate when you actually perform a vertical move instead of just looking down as it currently is.
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  • ChickenOfWarChickenOfWar Join Date: 2003-04-09 Member: 15352Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030970:date=Nov 21 2012, 01:14 AM:name=Sewlek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sewlek @ Nov 21 2012, 01:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030970"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i intend to fix this, so you would only accelerate when you actually perform a vertical move instead of just looking down as it currently is.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Theres a few tweaks you could make, you can also glide directly up in the air and you'll never actually stop. You'll slow down but continue to gain altitude at a steady pace.
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  • elodeaelodea Editlodea Join Date: 2009-06-20 Member: 67877Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I remember when you could actually fly 10% faster than the speedlimit if you were flying really close to the ground like this, only you would stop completely if you so much as touched it.
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  • A_PajanderA_Pajander Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11695Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2030986:date=Nov 21 2012, 08:37 AM:name=elodea)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elodea @ Nov 21 2012, 08:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030986"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I remember when you could actually fly 10% faster than the speedlimit if you were flying really close to the ground like this, only you would stop completely if you so much as touched it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So is that the skill floor everyone is always talking about?

    (HEH)
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  • _Necro__Necro_ Join Date: 2011-02-15 Member: 81895Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    *BADUMM TSS*

    :D

    Nah, is this bug really a problem?
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  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030970:date=Nov 21 2012, 01:14 AM:name=Sewlek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sewlek @ Nov 21 2012, 01:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030970"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i intend to fix this, so you would only accelerate when you actually perform a vertical move instead of just looking down as it currently is.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think it would be really cool if lerk fight actually used an energy model. Exchanging between potential energy and kinetic energy as you glide up or down, flaps add energy, air friction removes it. Would inherently protect against exploits like this.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Be a lot of work (mathwise especially, I think?) for simple movement though.
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